1978 Topps Molitor RC PSA 10 on ebay right now. What will it end at?
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Awesome card up for auction right now. POP 13 i believe. What do you think it will end at?
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I wonder how much difference there will be between this one vs. the Dimitri Young one. I personally would not spend more for the DYC label, but there might be some people out there who would. Haven't seen the cards side by side to compare actual quality.
<< <i>Card sold last year for almost $6,000. I currently have a '9' for $480. VERY high increase from a '9' to a '10'...... >>
I agree. i am currently looking for an 8 because its a very high increase from 8 to 9 as well.
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<< <i>Card sold last year for almost $6,000. I currently have a '9' for $480. VERY high increase from a '9' to a '10'...... >>
If your's is the 9 I just checked on , I'd be happy with it and the huge savings. The 10 is a little dirty, not smudgy I don't suppose, but a little dirty down around the K in rookie. Could be on the case, could be a classic "when is a gem mint 10 not really a gem mint 10"
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Yes.
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It was a gorgeous card, but there was a blemish on it that was difficult to see at first and after I saw it, I just kept seeing it every time I looked at it so had to sell it.
This one is really nice with only a very minor minor print run on the bottom
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It was a gorgeous card, but there was a blemish on it that was difficult to see at first and after I saw it, I just kept seeing it every time I looked at it so had to sell it.
Yep....... If something about a card is bugging me it has to go.
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<< <i>I don't buy 10's, although this card looks great, it's not level with the other 10's that sold in the past 2 years. Some print smudge at the bottom. I know it's picky, but someone with that kind of money is probably going to looking at the same thing, right? Over/Under is $5,490.00. I'm taking under.
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I disagree. There are 2 others that have sold in the last 2 years, the Dmitri one, and another about a year ago. The Dmitri one looks perfect on the surface. However, if you bring up the scan and look at the right white border, you can barely make out a faint line going down the right side of the border. It starts about halfway up the U.L. Washington picture and goes all the way down. It looks a lot like a pencil line that was drawn and it much more visible with card in hand. Again, after I saw it I was out on the card
The one that sold last year is not centered left to right, but is free of all print defects. Yes. this one has a very small print smudge but looks to be near perfect centering. Personally, give me a centered card with a small smudge over an off centered card with no smudge every day, but that's me. Of the 13 PSA 10's, I don't know is there is a flawless one. I have looked at many of them and they all have something. In fact, the best one I've ever seen is my 9. Why it's still a 9 I'm not sure, but that's a whole different thread
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I don't really see the smudge issue on that card being a distraction, personally, as it is very faint, and centering is very strong.
That said, I think this card would be graded Mint 9 if submitted today due to surface issues.
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<< <i>I don't buy 10's, although this card looks great, it's not level with the other 10's that sold in the past 2 years. Some print smudge at the bottom. I know it's picky, but someone with that kind of money is probably going to looking at the same thing, right? Over/Under is $5,490.00. I'm taking under.
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I disagree. There are 2 others that have sold in the last 2 years, the Dmitri one, and another about a year ago. The Dmitri one looks perfect on the surface. However, if you bring up the scan and look at the right white border, you can barely make out a faint line going down the right side of the border. It starts about halfway up the U.L. Washington picture and goes all the way down. It looks a lot like a pencil line that was drawn and it much more visible with card in hand. Again, after I saw it I was out on the card
The one that sold last year is not centered left to right, but is free of all print defects. Yes. this one has a very small print smudge but looks to be near perfect centering. Personally, give me a centered card with a small smudge over an off centered card with no smudge every day, but that's me. Of the 13 PSA 10's, I don't know is there is a flawless one. I have looked at many of them and they all have something. In fact, the best one I've ever seen is my 9. Why it's still a 9 I'm not sure, but that's a whole different thread >>
So....you're taking the over? Again, you have way more experience than me and love your post on this. You appear to like centering over of PD? Do you also prefer centering over a very minor corner blemish? And, do you think that is the norm for most high end buyers, centering first?
thanks,
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<< <i>I don't buy 10's, although this card looks great, it's not level with the other 10's that sold in the past 2 years. Some print smudge at the bottom. I know it's picky, but someone with that kind of money is probably going to looking at the same thing, right? Over/Under is $5,490.00. I'm taking under.
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I disagree. There are 2 others that have sold in the last 2 years, the Dmitri one, and another about a year ago. The Dmitri one looks perfect on the surface. However, if you bring up the scan and look at the right white border, you can barely make out a faint line going down the right side of the border. It starts about halfway up the U.L. Washington picture and goes all the way down. It looks a lot like a pencil line that was drawn and it much more visible with card in hand. Again, after I saw it I was out on the card
The one that sold last year is not centered left to right, but is free of all print defects. Yes. this one has a very small print smudge but looks to be near perfect centering. Personally, give me a centered card with a small smudge over an off centered card with no smudge every day, but that's me. Of the 13 PSA 10's, I don't know is there is a flawless one. I have looked at many of them and they all have something. In fact, the best one I've ever seen is my 9. Why it's still a 9 I'm not sure, but that's a whole different thread >>
So....you're taking the over? Again, you have way more experience than me and love your post on this. You appear to like centering over of PD? Do you also prefer centering over a very minor corner blemish? And, do you think that is the norm for most high end buyers, centering first?
thanks,
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<< <i>Well, it was at 5000 until two bids of 8100 and 9000 were rescinded. Can't say I'm that surprised unfortunately >>
Interesting. Please educate me on rescindivism. How did you know that it was rescinded and how do you know the amounts? Most importantly, why is this rescind history not shown in the "bid history". Seems like a serious breach in the bidding software. If I was l**l i would not be a happy camper. The seller probably tried to tap the high bid and didn't find any bidiots.
If I was bidding on this card, I would absolutely want to know if some bids had been rescinded. Why e-bay doesn't show that is dumbfounding.
I'm sure that has been gone over before, sorry if it has. Just new here.
jb
Bidder Action Date of Bid and Retraction
n***d ( 447Feedback score is 100 to 499) Retracted: US $9,000.00
Bid: Feb-23-14 04:52:16 PST
Retracted: Feb-23-14 04:52:58 PST
1***1 ( 36Feedback score is 10 to 49) Retracted: US $8,100.00
Bid: Feb-22-14 22:40:38 PST
Retracted: Feb-22-14 22:41:56 PST
Just look below the bidding list.
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<< <i>Why not buy a gorgeous, high-end nine for only a couple hundred bucks, that looks the exact same to the eye? >>
Most of these cards are being bought for investment. A lot of people like to own the best and if PSA has graded it a 10 then that is the stamp of approval that is needed to say it is one of the best.
I believe this card in a PSA 10 used to sell in the low $3,000 range some years ago. Those that opted to buy the 10's did pretty well.
<< <i>Bid retraction and cancellation history
Bidder Action Date of Bid and Retraction
n***d ( 447Feedback score is 100 to 499) Retracted: US $9,000.00
Bid: Feb-23-14 04:52:16 PST
Retracted: Feb-23-14 04:52:58 PST
1***1 ( 36Feedback score is 10 to 49) Retracted: US $8,100.00
Bid: Feb-22-14 22:40:38 PST
Retracted: Feb-22-14 22:41:56 PST
Just look below the bidding list. >>
Dam, that's a long scroll down to see that. Thanks. I'll have to check that more often. especially on the cards over $100 where the first 40 bids are $.50 increments.
Thanks
jb
<< <i>Why not buy a gorgeous, high-end nine for only a couple hundred bucks, that looks the exact same to the eye? >>
+1
In this case, too, that card, if submitted today, would very likely grade Mint 9 due to surface issues, that PSA is now stricter on.
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<< <i>Why not buy a gorgeous, high-end nine for only a couple hundred bucks, that looks the exact same to the eye? >>
Most of these cards are being bought for investment. A lot of people like to own the best and if PSA has graded it a 10 then that is the stamp of approval that is needed to say it is one of the best.
I believe this card in a PSA 10 used to sell in the low $3,000 range some years ago. Those that opted to buy the 10's did pretty well. >>
I think the best investment is a 9 that truly is GEM MT and merits a 10; those cards are out there. With persistence such a card will and should wind up getting the grade it deserves-- if one desires to profit or needs to see "10" to feel they have the best. I would also say that the best card is not always the higher graded card; eye appeal often defies numerical grade.
As a pure collector, I personally buy cards to hold forever in my collection, so can't really relate to the investment-oriented side. I like buying them and not selling them
I don't know if cards can make anyone rich; I mean, I've had many cards appreciate as much as several grand over the years, but end of the day that's not really a life changing sum.
I would urge collectors who do want to "own the best" to trust their eyes and believe in what they have, when they have an elite 9, as opposed to spending such large sums for an identical (or in some cases inferior) card that has the "10" sticker on it. A passionate and savvy collector is all about the card, and a stamp of approval (especially in those instances where that stamp is overly generous and incorrect) should not be needed to say a card is one of the best.
I'd actually be quite chagrined, were I brandishing a card in a 10 holder, touting it as one of the best, when the reality of the card to my fellow collectors' eyes screams otherwise. That's just a general sentiment, and not a judgment on the particular Molitor in question here.
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<< <i>Why not buy a gorgeous, high-end nine for only a couple hundred bucks, that looks the exact same to the eye? >>
Most of these cards are being bought for investment. A lot of people like to own the best and if PSA has graded it a 10 then that is the stamp of approval that is needed to say it is one of the best.
I believe this card in a PSA 10 used to sell in the low $3,000 range some years ago. Those that opted to buy the 10's did pretty well. >>
I think the best investment is a 9 that truly is GEM MT and merits a 10; those cards are out there. With persistence such a card will and should wind up getting the grade it deserves-- if one desires to profit or needs to see "10" to feel they have the best. I would also say that the best card is not always the higher graded card; eye appeal often defies numerical grade.
As a pure collector, I personally buy cards to hold forever in my collection, so can't really relate to the investment-oriented side. I like buying them and not selling them
I don't know if cards can make anyone rich; I mean, I've had many cards appreciate as much as several grand over the years, but end of the day that's not really a life changing sum.
I would urge collectors who do want to "own the best" to trust their eyes and believe in what they have, when they have an elite 9, as opposed to spending such large sums for an identical (or in some cases inferior) card that has the "10" sticker on it. A passionate and savvy collector is all about the card, and a stamp of approval (especially in those instances where that stamp is overly generous and incorrect) should not be needed to say a card is one of the best.
I'd actually be quite chagrined, were I brandishing a card in a 10 holder, touting it as one of the best, when the reality of the card to my fellow collectors' eyes screams otherwise. That's just a general sentiment, and not a judgment on the particular Molitor in question here. >>
I have had choice grade steaks that are absolutely amazing but in the end the prime grade sells for more. I totally understand the value proposition of a great PSA 9 but at the end of the day if there is a 10 it will always be second best in price. Collectively all of us make the rules and the market and the prices speak for themselves.
There are certain personalities that need and want to see the highest grade. All of the attempt at rational for the lower grade will never change this.
The counter to that would be that you can't argue with the consistent increase in value of these PSA 10's. It's a good buy because they just keep going up right?
This card would grade a 9 today. Whether that's because PSA is stricter or to protect the value of the 13 PSA 10's is debatable. I believe if one were to get a PSA 10 today, it would have to be the best of the best. This is true for about any of those 1970's HOF's
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There have been 4,476 examples of this card graded by PSA and 13 PSA 10's. If indeed the population totals that seem to be helping drive the prices of unopened are realistic that means that a good number of these that will grade high have been seen.
It is easy to forget how hard a card like this is to get a grade from PSA of a 10. Your chances of a card that PSA sees grading that high are 0.002904%.
There are only 13 tickets to the dance and that means you are in rare company and in life that is not going to be cheap.
The PSA 10 ends in 2 hours and 35 minutes and has 212 watchers and a current bid of $4,850.01.
The PSA 9 ends in 4 hours and 14 minutes and has 28 watchers and a current bid of $355.
1978 Topps Paul Molitor
For the difference between this 9 (my cousin's) pictured below and that condition-rare 10, one could perhaps obtain a low-grade, century-old, CJ Cobb.
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<< <i>I agree, some people just have to have that 10 at all costs. I see no problem if the card is truly perfect. And of course if the buyer of that 10 is happy, then that's what counts. To each his own. But if the purchase is being made to floss and tout a card as one of the best, that's a different story. As someone who is deeply passionate about great cards, I just am far, far from impressed with such a buy. It shows someone has some money, but not a good eye for cards. A good eye is what gets the most respect, not money thrown at slabs/stickers.
For the difference between this 9 (my cousin's) pictured below and that condition-rare 10, one could perhaps obtain a low-grade, century-old, CJ Cobb.
That 9 has more eye appeal than the 10 imo, and would be a much better buy from a true collector's standpoint, imho.
I would also disagree that we have seen as many Molitor 10s as we're going to see due to the value of unopened prices moving upward. Plenty of people (myself included) are still ripping 78 racks, and I've got to think there are still a number of mint to gem mint Molitor cards still lurking out there, both nestled within cellophane sleeves or wax wrappers, or in high grade raw collections.
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<< <i>I agree, some people just have to have that 10 at all costs. I see no problem if the card is truly perfect. And of course if the buyer of that 10 is happy, then that's what counts. To each his own. But if the purchase is being made to floss and tout a card as one of the best, that's a different story. As someone who is deeply passionate about great cards, I just am far, far from impressed with such a buy. It shows someone has some money, but not a good eye for cards. A good eye is what gets the most respect, not money thrown at slabs/stickers.
For the difference between this 9 (my cousin's) pictured below and that condition-rare 10, one could perhaps obtain a low-grade, century-old, CJ Cobb.
That 9 has more eye appeal than the 10 imo, and would be a much better buy from a true collector's standpoint, imho.
I would also disagree that we have seen as many Molitor 10s as we're going to see due to the value of unopened prices moving upward. Plenty of people (myself included) are still ripping 78 racks, and I've got to think there are still a number of mint to gem mint Molitor cards still lurking out there, both nestled within cellophane sleeves or wax wrappers, or in high grade raw collections. >>
There are naturally more nice Molitor's out there but if the odds are less then 0.0029% of those that actually get submitted achieve a PSA 10 the odds highly favor you won't see an explosion in the pop of this card. Anyone who is paying top dollar for a card like this is banking on the pop staying closer to 13 then 100.
The higher the prices of the graded examples go the more foundation you have for the prices of the unopened material.
It sounds great that the person with the best eye gets the most respect. But I highly disagree in the real world. If a collector walks in to sell their 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle and the PSA 8 looks great and the PSA 9 is less then one would desire for the grade the respect is still going to go to the person who owns that monster in a PSA 9. Money talks.
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<< <i>I agree, some people just have to have that 10 at all costs. I see no problem if the card is truly perfect. And of course if the buyer of that 10 is happy, then that's what counts. To each his own. But if the purchase is being made to floss and tout a card as one of the best, that's a different story. As someone who is deeply passionate about great cards, I just am far, far from impressed with such a buy. It shows someone has some money, but not a good eye for cards. A good eye is what gets the most respect, not money thrown at slabs/stickers.
For the difference between this 9 (my cousin's) pictured below and that condition-rare 10, one could perhaps obtain a low-grade, century-old, CJ Cobb.
That 9 has more eye appeal than the 10 imo, and would be a much better buy from a true collector's standpoint, imho.
I would also disagree that we have seen as many Molitor 10s as we're going to see due to the value of unopened prices moving upward. Plenty of people (myself included) are still ripping 78 racks, and I've got to think there are still a number of mint to gem mint Molitor cards still lurking out there, both nestled within cellophane sleeves or wax wrappers, or in high grade raw collections. >>
There are naturally more nice Molitor's out there but if the odds are less then 0.0029% of those that actually get submitted achieve a PSA 10 the odds highly favor you won't see an explosion in the pop of this card. Anyone who is paying top dollar for a card like this is banking on the pop staying closer to 13 then 100.
The higher the prices of the graded examples go the more foundation you have for the prices of the unopened material.
It sounds great that the person with the best eye gets the most respect. But I highly disagree in the real world. If a collector walks in to sell their 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle and the PSA 8 looks great and the PSA 9 is less then one would desire for the grade the respect is still going to go to the person who owns that monster in a PSA 9. Money talks. >>
If you're not a card collector, but simply a flip collector, I would agree with that assessment. And naturally the card with the higher grade will command the greatest premium. If nothing else, there are many collectors who do buy the holder and not the card. But for many other true collectors out there, myself included, the high end 9 is always going to be more desirable than the low end 10.
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<< <i>I agree, some people just have to have that 10 at all costs. I see no problem if the card is truly perfect. And of course if the buyer of that 10 is happy, then that's what counts. To each his own. But if the purchase is being made to floss and tout a card as one of the best, that's a different story. As someone who is deeply passionate about great cards, I just am far, far from impressed with such a buy. It shows someone has some money, but not a good eye for cards. A good eye is what gets the most respect, not money thrown at slabs/stickers.
For the difference between this 9 (my cousin's) pictured below and that condition-rare 10, one could perhaps obtain a low-grade, century-old, CJ Cobb.
That 9 has more eye appeal than the 10 imo, and would be a much better buy from a true collector's standpoint, imho.
I would also disagree that we have seen as many Molitor 10s as we're going to see due to the value of unopened prices moving upward. Plenty of people (myself included) are still ripping 78 racks, and I've got to think there are still a number of mint to gem mint Molitor cards still lurking out there, both nestled within cellophane sleeves or wax wrappers, or in high grade raw collections. >>
There are naturally more nice Molitor's out there but if the odds are less then 0.0029% of those that actually get submitted achieve a PSA 10 the odds highly favor you won't see an explosion in the pop of this card. Anyone who is paying top dollar for a card like this is banking on the pop staying closer to 13 then 100.
The higher the prices of the graded examples go the more foundation you have for the prices of the unopened material.
It sounds great that the person with the best eye gets the most respect. But I highly disagree in the real world. If a collector walks in to sell their 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle and the PSA 8 looks great and the PSA 9 is less then one would desire for the grade the respect is still going to go to the person who owns that monster in a PSA 9. Money talks. >>
If you're not a card collector, but simply a flip collector, I would agree with that assessment. And naturally the card with the higher grade will command the greatest premium. If nothing else, there are many collectors who do buy the holder and not the card. But for many other true collectors out there, myself included, the high end 9 is always going to be more desirable than the low end 10. >>
There are plenty of "true" collectors that will buy the best regardless for various reasons.
A "true" collector a few years ago could have purchased a 1979 Topps Ozzie Smith PSA 10 in the $6,000 range and today that card using recent sales stands in the $20,000 range. They could have also purchased a PSA 9 a few years ago for $350 and today it sells for at least $750 and in a few cases much higher. They both won. That being said if someone had the funds to purchase the higher graded version they were able to do quite well. To have invested the same amount of funds into the same card moving higher just in a lower grade they would have had to accumulate over 17 examples in a 9 at the average price of $350. Just imagine how much more difficult that would be to move if you ever decide to sell.
The bottom line is you need the PSA 10 to go up in almost all cases to get the PSA 9 to seriously move too and the Gem Mint grade is a driving force in the card market. If someone wants a beautiful card in this case get the PSA 9, that being said I understand why someone wants to buy the PSA 10 too.
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Granted, this is a personal and highly subjective topic, as to whom and what we give our respect. But I agree with Grote on this matter. It seems some are very focused on value and appreciation and grade. To each his own, all good. I am however focused strictly and always on what is the best card.
I give zero props to a guy who buys a 10 that looks bad. I give much props to a guy who buys a bump worthy card. Again, if one's focus is mainly MONEY, and how many dollars a card appreciates, because of the sticker grade, that's their thing. But to me that is not really passionate card collecting. And really, a card collector striving to curate a great collection is very different from someone looking to see his cards rise and then sell them.
For example, my cousin has this one card that is in a lowly PSA '1' holder. This card utterly destroys cards that are graded much higher and cost much more. I respect and admire his lowly 1 way more than an OC, creased 5 that someone paid much more for. But that's just me; so much of collecting is personal choice and as long as the individual is happy with their purchases, that's what matters
What's also interesting is the concept of worth. Because even though a card can fetch a given sum, that does not mean all collectors value it the same. This of course goes for anything in life. I have a buddy who just does not get sports cars. He wouldn't pay 10k for a Ferrari. Similarly, there are cards that I know cost a ton, but they don't appeal to me. I would not pay ten cents for some cards that others covet. And then of course there are cards I covet and would spend a bundle on, that others might not pay a penny for.
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The result of this auction is very good for PSA and the hobby as a whole, but is also adds fuel to the fire regarding PSA's financial power in the hobby. The whole "integrity of card collecting" thing sounds good, but the subjective grade of a 10 for that card means a $7500 difference. THat is a large amount of money to a lot of people.
Speaking of 1978 Topps, where are the 10 Eddie Murray 10's that are out there? I've never seen one outside of the Dmitri Young auction
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<< <i>Speaking of 1978 Topps, where are the 10 Eddie Murray 10's that are out there? I've never seen one outside of the Dmitri Young auction >>
At least one is in Grote's mountain of 1978 racks just waiting to be ripped.
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<< <i>Speaking of 1978 Topps, where are the 10 Eddie Murray 10's that are out there? I've never seen one outside of the Dmitri Young auction >>
At least one is in Grote's mountain of 1978 racks just waiting to be ripped. >>
You know I don't much egging on to begin with!
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<< <i>Speaking of 1978 Topps, where are the 10 Eddie Murray 10's that are out there? I've never seen one outside of the Dmitri Young auction >>
At least one is in Grote's mountain of 1978 racks just waiting to be ripped. >>
Here he is...just waiting to be freed, lol..
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<< <i>Speaking of 1978 Topps, where are the 10 Eddie Murray 10's that are out there? I've never seen one outside of the Dmitri Young auction >>
At least one is in Grote's mountain of 1978 racks just waiting to be ripped. >>
Here he is...just waiting to be freed, lol..
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<< <i>I respectfully couldn't disagree more, in terms of an overgrazed 9 getting more respect than an under graded 8, just because of their monetary value. In fact in an auction setting a super high end PSA 8 #311 might sell for much closer to the overgrazed hypothetical 9 than one would initially suspect.
Granted, this is a personal and highly subjective topic, as to whom and what we give our respect. But I agree with Grote on this matter. It seems some are very focused on value and appreciation and grade. To each his own, all good. I am however focused strictly and always on what is the best card.
I give zero props to a guy who buys a 10 that looks bad. I give much props to a guy who buys a bump worthy card. Again, if one's focus is mainly MONEY, and how many dollars a card appreciates, because of the sticker grade, that's their thing. But to me that is not really passionate card collecting. And really, a card collector striving to curate a great collection is very different from someone looking to see his cards rise and then sell them.
For example, my cousin has this one card that is in a lowly PSA '1' holder. This card utterly destroys cards that are graded much higher and cost much more. I respect and admire his lowly 1 way more than an OC, creased 5 that someone paid much more for. But that's just me; so much of collecting is personal choice and as long as the individual is happy with their purchases, that's what matters
What's also interesting is the concept of worth. Because even though a card can fetch a given sum, that does not mean all collectors value it the same. This of course goes for anything in life. I have a buddy who just does not get sports cars. He wouldn't pay 10k for a Ferrari. Similarly, there are cards that I know cost a ton, but they don't appeal to me. I would not pay ten cents for some cards that others covet. And then of course there are cards I covet and would spend a bundle on, that others might not pay a penny for. >>
Look I get it that you think you are a "true" collector and only in it for the sole purpose of collecting. There are plenty of "true" collectors who enjoy collecting pieces of cardboard in plastic tombs as someone once said but they also get turned on by the monetary value or the rarity. There is nothing wrong with that.
I have sent in loads of cards to get graded that have a raw value of less then a $1 but I also have some of the most rare singles from the past 30+ years. I love collecting cards but I am not disillusioned into thinking this is something I due out of purity for cards. I would be lying if I said I didn't like the fact that a card is a Pop 1 or could sell for a decent amount. I don't ever see myself selling my top cards but I certainly like the fact that many could sell for more then I paid. That is just human nature.
Just because something is rare doesn't mean it even sells for much. The market for the cards I collect is drastically smaller then a card like this but I don't begrudge someone who can afford to go after these cards. I personally don't own any cards in this price range but supply and demand dictate the price and time and time again these lower pop PSA 10's continue to bring stellar prices compared to their lower grade counterparts.
I see that the PSA 9 sold for $400 last night. That means a PSA 10 commands over 20 times as much. I don't set the prices, you don't set the prices the market does. You and others can laugh at these so called "slab collectors" but at the end of the day who ever purchased a card in this grade just a hand full of years ago is laughing all the way to the bank. I don't have exact numbers but I believe the PSA 9 was close to a $300 card in the same time frame. If so even on a percentage basis the top grade increased in a dramatically higher fashion then its lower grade counterpart.
Anyone who is constantly shelling out money for a hobby either has to have loads of money to blow or be somewhat cognizant that they are not just throwing money away. I fit in the latter and give some thought to the likely hood that I could at a minimum recover my money and at a maximum compound it. Being concerned about the financial impact of a purchase to me just makes since.
It is not my business why someone is buying a card and if they are doing so just to pound their chest that they have the top grade of a card good for them. I won't lose an ounce of sleep and neither should you.
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Look I get it that you think you are a "true" collector and only in it for the sole purpose of collecting. There are plenty of "true" collectors who enjoy collecting pieces of cardboard in plastic tombs as someone once said but they also get turned on by the monetary value or the rarity. There is nothing wrong with that.
I have sent in loads of cards to get graded that have a raw value of less then a $1 but I also have some of the most rare singles from the past 30+ years. I love collecting cards but I am not disillusioned into thinking this is something I due out of purity for cards. I would be lying if I said I didn't like the fact that a card is a Pop 1 or could sell for a decent amount. I don't ever see myself selling my top cards but I certainly like the fact that many could sell for more then I paid. That is just human nature.
Just because something is rare doesn't mean it even sells for much. The market for the cards I collect is drastically smaller then a card like this but I don't begrudge someone who can afford to go after these cards. I personally don't own any cards in this price range but supply and demand dictate the price and time and time again these lower pop PSA 10's continue to bring stellar prices compared to their lower grade counterparts.
I see that the PSA 9 sold for $400 last night. That means a PSA 10 commands over 20 times as much. I don't set the prices, you don't set the prices the market does. You and others can laugh at these so called "slab collectors" but at the end of the day who ever purchased a card in this grade just a hand full of years ago is laughing all the way to the bank. I don't have exact numbers but I believe the PSA 9 was close to a $300 card in the same time frame. If so even on a percentage basis the top grade increased in a dramatically higher fashion then its lower grade counterpart.
Anyone who is constantly shelling out money for a hobby either has to have loads of money to blow or be somewhat cognizant that they are not just throwing money away. I fit in the latter and give some thought to the likely hood that I could at a minimum recover my money and at a maximum compound it. Being concerned about the financial impact of a purchase to me just makes since.
It is not my business why someone is buying a card and if they are doing so just to pound their chest that they have the top grade of a card good for them. I won't lose an ounce of sleep and neither should you. >>
+1 and very well put
"Common sense is the best distributed commodity in the world, for every man is convinced that he is well supplied with it"
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<< <i>I respectfully couldn't disagree more, in terms of an overgrazed 9 getting more respect than an under graded 8, just because of their monetary value. In fact in an auction setting a super high end PSA 8 #311 might sell for much closer to the overgrazed hypothetical 9 than one would initially suspect.
Granted, this is a personal and highly subjective topic, as to whom and what we give our respect. But I agree with Grote on this matter. It seems some are very focused on value and appreciation and grade. To each his own, all good. I am however focused strictly and always on what is the best card.
I give zero props to a guy who buys a 10 that looks bad. I give much props to a guy who buys a bump worthy card. Again, if one's focus is mainly MONEY, and how many dollars a card appreciates, because of the sticker grade, that's their thing. But to me that is not really passionate card collecting. And really, a card collector striving to curate a great collection is very different from someone looking to see his cards rise and then sell them.
For example, my cousin has this one card that is in a lowly PSA '1' holder. This card utterly destroys cards that are graded much higher and cost much more. I respect and admire his lowly 1 way more than an OC, creased 5 that someone paid much more for. But that's just me; so much of collecting is personal choice and as long as the individual is happy with their purchases, that's what matters
What's also interesting is the concept of worth. Because even though a card can fetch a given sum, that does not mean all collectors value it the same. This of course goes for anything in life. I have a buddy who just does not get sports cars. He wouldn't pay 10k for a Ferrari. Similarly, there are cards that I know cost a ton, but they don't appeal to me. I would not pay ten cents for some cards that others covet. And then of course there are cards I covet and would spend a bundle on, that others might not pay a penny for. >>
Look I get it that you think you are a "true" collector and only in it for the sole purpose of collecting. There are plenty of "true" collectors who enjoy collecting pieces of cardboard in plastic tombs as someone once said but they also get turned on by the monetary value or the rarity. There is nothing wrong with that.
I have sent in loads of cards to get graded that have a raw value of less then a $1 but I also have some of the most rare singles from the past 30+ years. I love collecting cards but I am not disillusioned into thinking this is something I due out of purity for cards. I would be lying if I said I didn't like the fact that a card is a Pop 1 or could sell for a decent amount. I don't ever see myself selling my top cards but I certainly like the fact that many could sell for more then I paid. That is just human nature.
Just because something is rare doesn't mean it even sells for much. The market for the cards I collect is drastically smaller then a card like this but I don't begrudge someone who can afford to go after these cards. I personally don't own any cards in this price range but supply and demand dictate the price and time and time again these lower pop PSA 10's continue to bring stellar prices compared to their lower grade counterparts.
I see that the PSA 9 sold for $400 last night. That means a PSA 10 commands over 20 times as much. I don't set the prices, you don't set the prices the market does. You and others can laugh at these so called "slab collectors" but at the end of the day who ever purchased a card in this grade just a hand full of years ago is laughing all the way to the bank. I don't have exact numbers but I believe the PSA 9 was close to a $300 card in the same time frame. If so even on a percentage basis the top grade increased in a dramatically higher fashion then its lower grade counterpart.
Anyone who is constantly shelling out money for a hobby either has to have loads of money to blow or be somewhat cognizant that they are not just throwing money away. I fit in the latter and give some thought to the likely hood that I could at a minimum recover my money and at a maximum compound it. Being concerned about the financial impact of a purchase to me just makes since.
It is not my business why someone is buying a card and if they are doing so just to pound their chest that they have the top grade of a card good for them. I won't lose an ounce of sleep and neither should you. >>
Great analysis. However, we've missed the diversification benefit that buying multiple 9's provides. In addition to having loads more fun having 17 different 9's instead of one 10. Moving and acquiring cards now is a non-issue. The hobby is officially liquid. I'm strictly a PSA 9 buyer, for multiple reasons. I am concerned about "value" and "equity" in my cards, but I also like the thought of building high end sets. In the early 70's my dad would come home from the liquor store (he smoked backed then) with BB packs for the my brothers and I. When I see those cards now, it brings back many fond memories. The cards I had from the early 70's are in horrendous shape. I have thousands, but probably nothing better than a psa 7.
It still astounds me that there are PSA 9 cards from that era, yet alone PSA 10. I still haven't come to grips that someone could of kept these cards in amazing shape.
No different than stocks. You can buy one share of Berk. Hath for $170K, (PSA 10). Or you can buy about thousands of shares of google, apple, chevron, etc. that equals $170K.
The real analysis is this: if you have $8K to blow on a Molitor rookier, you can get the equivalent in PSA 9 (approx):
72 Aaron in Action
72 Ryan
75 Yount
73 Clemente
74 winfield
71 Bench
71 jackson
73 schmidt
72 fisk
Which is it? Holding 9 HOF in PSA 9's with low pops, or one PSA 10 Molitor rookie.
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