Is there a PWCC backlash going on?

bobbyw8469 · January 1, 2014 11:37AM

I have recently noticed that some of their cards aren't getting the "sky high - record breaking" prices that they used to get in the past. In fact, some of their recent cards have set record low prices for the issue. Is there currently a backlash on their auctions? Just wanted some opinions....

JHS5120 · January 1, 2014 12:06PM

I certainly hope not, I just sent them a rather large consignment!

Were these popular cards or odd-ball issues?

bobbyw8469 · January 1, 2014 12:12PM

<< Were these popular cards or odd-ball issues? >>

Popular cards.

slum22 · January 1, 2014 12:35PM

I don't know if there is a backlash but I did notice that there were astonishingly low prices achieved on some PSA 8 cards out of the 61 Fleer Basketball auction they had last month. I purchased one of the cards (the only one I needed for my set) but I wish I would have won a couple other cards as I believe there were several that were 1 year lows based on VCP. That said I have seen other items get higher than normal prices as well. I would be one to say that it could have been a seasonal thing, where around the holidays auctions may generally achieve less as people are spending more time and money on gifts for others than cards for themselves. It could also just be that with so many listings there are bound to be bargains at some point for certain listings. It is a situation to monitor. Generally speaking though I don't pay more or less for a graded card because it is from one seller or another. If I can tell the quality of the card and it is stabbed I will set my bid based on the card not the seller.

Steve

grote15 · January 1, 2014 12:43PM

I heard PWCC recently sold a PSA graded 1968 Milton Bradley Nolan Ryan RC for a record price..

Raulsmaster · January 1, 2014 12:45PM

Stuff doesn't go for nearly as much as it should in the months of Dec-Feb. This is consistent every year for obvious reasons

detroitfan2 · January 1, 2014 12:49PM

It could be that they blocked all their star dingers and thus there's no one left to bid on their auctions.

BossierBill · January 1, 2014 12:49PM

Maurice, GET ON THIS!!! Get me the 311 on all things PWCC!! C'mon Maurice, you're slacking buddy!

orioles93 · January 1, 2014 12:49PM

I recently watched a 52 topps high number that went for a good bit less than usual sold by them.

Maurice · January 1, 2014 12:53PM

<< Stuff doesn't go for nearly as much as it should in the months of Dec-Feb. This is consistent every year for obvious reasons >>

Between Black Friday and Christmas is when auctions generally underperform. But BINs are very strong during that time period.

January and February are normal in my experience.

rtimmer · January 1, 2014 1:00PM

I bought 3 packs in their last auction and one went for the usual price one slightly lower and one surprising low.

wrestlingcardking · January 1, 2014 3:21PM

I felt a lull around Black Friday but things seem to have picked up a bit in the last couple of weeks.....maybe the "other" shopping is over.

bobbyw8469 · January 1, 2014 9:02PM

Ironic, what just happened on this thread......and the troublemakers still remain.....tsk tsk.

stormtrooper80 · January 1, 2014 10:46PM

<< I heard PWCC recently sold a PSA graded 1968 Milton Bradley Nolan Ryan RC for a record price.. >>

Good thing Dick Towle removed all of the spider creases

bobbyw8469 · January 1, 2014 11:08PM

<< Good thing Dick Towle removed all of the spider creases >>

Good thing you are here to add....err....whatever it is you have to add!?!

swartz1 · January 1, 2014 11:16PM

How do some comments just get deleted?

bobbyw8469 · January 1, 2014 11:32PM

<< Curious to hear your theory. >>

I didn't say there was one. Notice I had a question mark at the end of my sentence for the title of the thread. I just noticed that some of the prices had gotten down to historically low levels, when PWCC is more known for breaking records than selling at an extreme discount.

On a different forum, some members stated that they no longer bid with them, due to perceived "wrongs" associated with record breaking auctions, whether fabricated or legitimate.

KbKards · January 2, 2014 12:13AM

Maybe they just ran into a string of consignors who don't place safety bids on their consignments.

itzagoner · January 2, 2014 12:14AM

well now the cat has a bell around its neck. lucky birds.

stown · January 2, 2014 12:15AM

<< I just noticed that some of the prices had gotten down to historically low levels, >>

Please define what you mean by "historically low". As in the price achieved was the lowest recorded sale or within a certain time period.

bobbyw8469 · January 2, 2014 12:21AM

This thread was meant to stimulate conversation.....like all the others, it has turned into an "I Hate bobbyw8469" thread, for a few members. I am so dismayed at the constant path that my threads have gone down, that I don't even feel like posting anymore to this thread. So much for having a discussion about any topic whatsoever......

itzagoner · January 2, 2014 12:25AM

ok. as long as it doesn't turn into a self-pity thread. that would be awful.

bobbyw8469 · January 2, 2014 12:27AM

<< ok. as long as it doesn't turn into a self-pity thread. that would be awful. >>

I rest my case.

LarkinCollector · January 2, 2014 12:40AM

No backlash/softness observed in their pre-war golf cards recently, seems they're still going for mostly 20-30% above what I could get them for elsewhere.

bobbyw8469 · January 2, 2014 12:49AM

<< I'm not sure what you're reading but as an outside observer, I don't at all interpret this thread the way you apparently are. I don't see any "hate" of you going on. >>

Some of the comments have been deleted, through no fault of my own.

itzagoner · January 2, 2014 12:56AM

<< 

<< ok. as long as it doesn't turn into a self-pity thread. that would be awful. >>

I rest my case. >>

trying to get a read here, so what sense does it make to alert the masses to a potentially good situation for you? if prices are soft, wouldn't that make it an excellent time for an opportunist such as yourself to take advantage of a deal?

let's not attempt to deny who we are. either you're insanely jealous of them because they're so good at what they do, or you're kicking yourself for not scoring when the chance was there.

PWCC didn't suddenly go soft. in almost every major auction they host something is bound to fall through the cracks into the hands of an opportunist. that's correct. OPPORTUNIST.

it's not a bad word Bobby. it's who we are.

CollectorAtWork · January 2, 2014 1:57AM

I think what Bobby is referring to regarding "backlash" are some of the anti-PWCC threads that occurred recently such as the one on N54 where some posters believed that PWCC wasn't cracking down enough on the shilling. I think the soft prices are what most of the recent posters have said. The Nov-Dec months typically aren't good for auction sales as people are on holiday vacations or buying gifts for Christmas. The other thing that I have seen recently w/ PWCC auctions is that because they have grown bigger, they can no longer accommodate the typical 8-11pm EST ending time window, and have extended it to sometimes even around 2-3 pm EST on weekends. Even though many buyers still snipe, this extension of the window still decreases the maximum number of buyers who are viewing the auctions when they are ending.

packCollector · January 2, 2014 2:23AM

I was on vacation and missed a lot of stuff.

On another occasion, their stuff ended around 5pm and I was out shopping. I assumed they would end in the evening and I could set my snipes when I got home.

stown · January 2, 2014 3:10AM

So what did you mean by "historically low"? If you're looking to discuss, post some examples.

itzagoner · January 2, 2014 3:43AM

VCP history? couldn't be anything more factual than that.

bobbyw8469 · January 2, 2014 3:50AM

<< VCP history? couldn't be anything more factual than that >>

I bought a card at the local card show and called Bobby to let him know what I paid for it so he could update his numbers.

Littletweed · January 2, 2014 4:29AM

I consigned 9 cards to PWCC's last auction, results were decent, most were around VCP average. The one exception is 76 Brett that went for more than expected. I didn't watch any other auctions, so I cannot comment on the lower prices realized. It could have been the volume of what was consigned along with the time of year.

stormtrooper80 · January 2, 2014 6:56AM

<< Maybe they just ran into a string of consignors who don't place safety bids on their consignments. >>

.....Or accidentally bid on their own cards.

bobbyw8469 · January 2, 2014 6:58AM

Dpeck100 · July 16, 2014 12:49PM

1995 WWF Andre

I have to say I am very impressed with Brent's presentation. This is a low dollar card that feels like a high dollar card with the front and back scans and the nice page layout.

This won't go to high I wouldn't think but I bet it goes higher then what others can sell it for.

gemint · July 16, 2014 12:53PM

Overall, Brent still gets strong prices. His set breaks generate greater than 100% of VCP. Though some cards may be relative bargains, particularly high pop cards, the low pop results more than make up the shortfall. I'm contemplating consigning a set to him next month.

bobbyw8469 · July 16, 2014 1:17PM

Keep us informed how it turns out.

gemint · July 18, 2014 1:35AM

<< A fully graded set? >>

Yes

Is there a PWCC backlash going on?

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