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IGWT/religious mottos are inherently coin related
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Because they are on American coinage. The topic will never stop being coin related as long as the motto remains on coins.
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<< <i>Because they are on American coinage. The topic will never stop being coin related as long as the motto remains on coins. >>
Hmmmm.
Or so some would think BUT, the reality of the situation is that, the motto was first used on the two cent piece in 1864. Prior to that, NO US Coins had the Motto.
Just prior to or after that:
Indian Head Cents had NO Motto 1856-1909
Liberty Nickels had NO Motto 1883-1913
Buffalo Nickels had NO Motto 1913-1938
Barber Dimes had NO Motto 1892-1916
Barber Quarters had NO Motto 1892-1916
Barber Half Dollars had NO Motto 1892-1916
ALL coins prior to 1864, had NO Motto
All US Bills prior to 1957, had NO Motto
As usual, folks only felt the "need" for a motto when things got really rough like in the Civil War (1864) or World War I (1916)
The inclusion of the Motto on Modern Coinage began with the Lincoln Centennial Cent of 1909 (Which George Washington himself was adamantly opposed to since he felt that adding the President to the coinage was exactly the same as adding the King or Queens portrait to the coinage of the country we had just escaped from) and continued on with the release of every coin design which had a Presidential Portrait on it.
Stating that the motto is "inherently coin related because its on US coinage" is not tottaly correct since its not on ALL us coinage. Only some US coinage.
And yes, this is a "resurrected" coin thread.
The name is LEE!
BTW, pizza is inherently coin related, because it is round, associated with exonumia (Chuck E. Cheese tokens), and it is a religious issue about what the best toppings are.
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<< <i>President Teddy Roosevelt ordered the motto “In God We Trust” stricken from the coin (hence the name “No Motto”). The President explained his reasoning in a letter to William Boldly dated November 11, 1907:
"My own feeling in the matter is due to my very firm conviction that to put such a motto on coins, or to use it in any kindred manner, not only does no good but does positive harm, and is in effect irreverence, which comes dangerously close to sacrilege...It is a motto which it is indeed well to have inscribed on our great national monuments, in our temples of justice, in our legislative halls, and in building such as those at West Point and Annapolis -- in short, wherever it will tend to arouse and inspire a lofty emotion in those who look thereon. But it seems to me eminently unwise to cheapen such a motto by use on coins, just as it would be to cheapen it by use on postage stamps, or in advertisements." >>
I revere Teddy Roosevelt and he is correct in his thinking in my view. I am of a similar mind and TR's Wisdom is apt for today though we dismiss it in our government.
The Motto has no place on anything the government issues. I trust in God but that does not need to be facilitated by the government only the freedom to do so.
The views on this are as varied and I simply say we should not favor any religious view or espouse or promote any particular view. It is said we are a Christian country and perhaps we still are but that is the people that comprise of that not the government they are not always the same.
<< <i>Religion is for the religious.... coins or no coins..... Cheers, RickO >>
When Colonel Sanders learned Ben Franklin had originally politicked for the turkey as our national symbol he stated, "Eagles are for emblems. Turkeys are for eating."
A wise man indeed.
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<< <i>Religion is for the religious.... coins or no coins..... Cheers, RickO >>
From the Cross comes Faith, of which never became a religion.
Cheers, Leo
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<< <i>I miss IGWT
Where did it go? I see it everyday.
(I do like Broadstruck's reply though.)
If you feel strongly about this issue, bring it up with your congressman.
<< <i>There are very few replies to this thread that won't upset somebody. Why bring this up here?
(I do like Broadstruck's reply though.)
If you feel strongly about this issue, bring it up with your congressman. >>
I did. A secretary answered the phone and claimed they would deliver my message verbally to the congressman. As far as I can tell, it never happened.
"O thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation.
Blest with vict'ry and peace, may the Heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation!
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!"
It is the 150th anniversary of its use (changed by Treasury Secretary Salmon Chase to "In God We Trust") on coinage.
It was made the national motto of the United States in 1956.
I view it as important in its historical context, as a prayer in times of war - 1814 (war of 1812), 1864 (Civil war) and 1956 (Cold war). I don't see it as religious, just a statement of our national aspiration of hope in the future, especially when that future is not clear.
<< <i>I miss IGWT
"If I say something in the woods and my wife isn't there to hear it.....am I still wrong?"
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<< <i>I miss IGWT
As well do I.
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<< <i>I miss IGWT
Where did it go? I see it everyday. >>
IGWT was a beloved forum member.
Lance.
<< <i>Mr. Snow well put. This is a never ending argument that is unfortunate but it is this countries moto and thus is on our issued monetary items. It would be nice if people could just say I don't agree with it or I do agree with it unfortunately some have to state "IGWT is a stupid motto". IGWT is our motto those that are Americans. Saying it is stupid may give the impression that this country and it's people are stupid. We live in the greatest country on earth and have the freedom to have an opinion, the freedom to state that opinion and the freedom to state that opinion in a respectful way in stead of attacking people or disparaging their beliefs. An open discourse based on mutual respect always gets much further and is much more productive than someone just puking words from their mouth. Our country was founded on strong beliefs, strong people, with freedom for all and may it always be that way. >>
No doubt, the country was founded on "strong beliefs". Unfortunately, that belief was that a man should be able to earn a buck and not have to give most of it back to the crown.
That "crown", in theory, was granted by God through birthright.
But, back to the original post which stated that religious motto's are inherently coin related because they (it) is on Coinage of the United States (mistakenly called American coinage because Mexico and Canada and Brazil are all located in America. Specifically, North America and South America). Mexico does not have such a motto on their coinage. Neither does Brazil and that particular motto, was not always on coinage of the United States. Whether its appropriate or not is not my call as my only goal is in stating that it has not always been on our coins as some would have you believe.
The name is LEE!
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