Your nomination for Sports Topic of the Year
edmundfitzgerald
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It's almost December, so which topic got the most play this year, was highly debated, and somewhat educational.
My vote goes to this one.........................
This one
My vote goes to this one.........................
This one
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The Code Talkers have been around for a long time...curious, when did the Washington Redskins start 'honoring' them? Last month, according to the article.
Hmmmm.
However, as I pointed out (yet fitz obviously chose to ignore) that people who weren't paid by the Washington football team have all called on them to change their racially offensive team name:
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"One of the more common defenses of the Redskins name is that it's only a small proportion of American Indians calling for the change. Short of getting the five or so million natives left on a conference call, I'm not sure how you counter that argument. But this seems worth a shot.
The National Congress of American Indians, which counts among its membership hundreds of tribes from all over the country*, has released this video featuring seven elected tribal leaders, two of them national officials, speaking out against Washington's use of "Redskins" as a team name."
That being said, I wouldn't call this the sports topic of the year.
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Concussions in football and the NFL settling the concussion lawsuit for about $42,000 per living former player (one may say this is a sweetheart deal got the NFL)?
SF Giants 2013?
Political Correctness in sports?
Romo?
You already are starting to see the effects at the youth level - fewer kids coming out, being directed to other sports. It's a slow, gradual change that is only going to increase - and the inevitable demise of the NFL as the #1 sport in America is coming.
I applaud the Washington Redskins by not giving into these "Bleeding Hearts" who are not even indians....because true indians don't even care. And they shouldn't. Nobody has exclusive rights to the word "Redskins" anyway!
By your standards I should be offended by your teams name the Yankee's!
I'm from a northern state and thus a Yankee!
<< <i>You are unbelievable! The word Spic and the N word and all the other words you came up with are all hateful and demeaning words. How can you compare them with the word Redskins. There is also intent to consider. Redskins is not intended to be hateful or demeaning.
By your standards I should be offended by your teams name the Yankee's!
I'm from a northern state and thus a Yankee!
But Redskin IS a hateful and demeaning word...regardless of the intent when the team was named in the 1930's.
As 1985fan pointed out, yes indeed there are a great many Native Americans offended by that word. Some may not care, but many do.
If you were running a ping pong team, would you be comfortable calling them the 'San Francisco Yellow Skins' as a way to honor the great Asian players?
If you were working with Asian business associates, would you refer to them as your 'yellow skin associates'? You can't find a better way to describe a man?
Do you feel being a mascot is an honor? Please explain, in what way is being somebody's 'pet' an honor?
If honor were your goal, there are certainly far better ways to show that honor, than by making that race your 'pet'.
You can't find a better name for a football team other than one that makes a race of people your pet, and/or that refers to them based on skin color? Are there not better options?
How about if your son 'Fran' wore glasses, some kids came into your driveway, beat his butt, took his basketball...and then when every time those kids played basketball in their driveway, they had somebody dress up in horn rimmed glasses wearing a T-Shirt with 'the Fightin Frans' in honor of your son, would you feel comfortable with that every time you drove by those kids in their driveway?
Second - Yankee is definitely meant to be derogatory by people from the south.
And in closing all I can say about anyone being offended by a team being named Redskins.......is GET A LIFE!!!! And get over it!!!
Blast away if you want.....but this dribble is not worth any more of my time!
<< <i>First - I never said anything about the N word being OK under any circumstances!
Second - Yankee is definitely meant to be derogatory by people from the south.
And in closing all I can say about anyone being offended by a team being named Redskins.......is GET A LIFE!!!! And get over it!!!
Blast away if you want.....but this dribble is not worth any more of my time!
No need to blast away. You painted an unflattering picture of yourself already. I see you condone using 'yellow skins' as a team name.
I have to ask you guys. Go to your boss(or use your own business), and then sponsor a local baseball team, and choose from the following names to represent your company:
1. Whiteskins
2. Redskins
3. Blackskins
4. Brownskins
5. Yellowskins
6. Pinkskins
7. Purpleskins
8. Tigers
9. Bobcats
Which of those would you honestly feel comfortable with in naming the team that is sponsored by your company?
Are you guys that are for Redskins, ready to name your team Brownskins? Why? Why not?
There is no arguing with IDIOTS like you 2 who try and twist things around with STUPID comparisons.....like Franskins!
I just wish the college teams hadn't buckled into this stupid hogwash thinking.
I think we can count on Washington to keep their name!
Well, I'm not a racist, but if STUPID was illegal ........ you should get life!
Of course you aren't going to understand any of the comparisons...you don't have a job of any worth to put the question into context. Dimeman, you believe naming teams Redskins, Yellowskins, Whiteskins, or Blackskins is acceptable? That is your right to believe that, however, it is in poor taste to do so.
- Manti T'eo and his fake girlfriend
- Johnny Manziel's autograph controversy
- The NFL concussion story
- Lance Armstrong admitting steroid use
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I applaud the Washington Redskins by not giving into these "Bleeding Hearts" who are not even indians....because true indians don't even care. And they shouldn't. Nobody has exclusive rights to the word "Redskins" anyway! >>
Are the real Native American who I linked a story about 'bleeding hearts'? Real Native Americans are standing up and saying the use of this term offends them.
I find it ridiculous that your entire argument in support of a racist term stems from your desire to stick it to these bleeding hearts who you don't even identify in the first place.
Would you go up to a Native American and call them a redskin? If so do you refer to other nationalities by the color of their skin? If not why would you make an exception for Native Americans? No. What your entire argument for the keeping of this racist team name comes exclusively from some right wing news source which is rallying their viewers against 'free enterprise' and those dammed intellectuals trying to get in the way of a successful businessman. It's so painfully obvious this is where you're getting your talking points it's not even funny. Then when you run out of talking points you resort to LOL and 'I don't have time for you idiots!'
This isn't the first time your argument has stemmed directly from what you've heard on TV - your entire Romo argument is based around what you've heard from espn and other sports tv.
In the end you don't own a single thought that wasn't placed there by some TV talking head and that's so incredibly sad. You'd be much better off if you learned to think for yourself but based n everything I've seen you have no desire to.
<< <i>Back on topic, my nominations:
- Manti T'eo and his fake girlfriend
- Johnny Manziel's autograph controversy
- The NFL concussion story
- Lance Armstrong admitting steroid use >>
Wow. I forgot about the Teo fake girlfriend thing. Kid seems to be beyond that now.
I would put the Teo and Redskins stories at the top, only because you usually don't hear of these things.
The injuries(concussions), college players getting paid to play, and drug use stories have been around for a long time.
But I like the fake girlfriend story. That was a keeper !
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I have to ask you guys. Go to your boss(or use your own business), and then sponsor a local baseball team, and choose from the following names to represent your company:
1. Whiteskins
2. Redskins
3. Blackskins
4. Brownskins
5. Yellowskins
6. Pinkskins
7. Purpleskins
8. Tigers
9. Bobcats
Which of those would you honestly feel comfortable with in naming the team that is sponsored by your company?
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I recommend you call the African-American CEO and board of Black Entertainment Television and ask them why they named their multi-million dollar company after their own skin color.
For those who don't remember, the Cincinnati Reds changed their name for six years back in the 1950's to the Redlegs because they
didn't want people to think they embraced communism. Albeit the Reds had been around for years, but the big political correctness movement in the 50's against anything communistic caused the Cincinnati Reds to do this foolish change of name.
But, if today's PC crowd was around back then, than today's PC crowd would cry that naming a team after the skin color of one's legs is racist,
or they would be shouting for this reason....... Redlegs
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I have to ask you guys. Go to your boss(or use your own business), and then sponsor a local baseball team, and choose from the following names to represent your company:
1. Whiteskins
2. Redskins
3. Blackskins
4. Brownskins
5. Yellowskins
6. Pinkskins
7. Purpleskins
8. Tigers
9. Bobcats
Which of those would you honestly feel comfortable with in naming the team that is sponsored by your company?
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I recommend you call the African-American CEO and board of Black Entertainment Television and ask them why they named their multi-million dollar company after their own skin color.
For those who don't remember, the Cincinnati Reds changed their name for six years back in the 1950's to the Redlegs because they
didn't want people to think they embraced communism. Albeit the Reds had been around for years, but the big political correctness movement in the 50's against anything communistic caused the Cincinnati Reds to do this foolish change of name.
But, if today's PC crowd was around back then, than today's PC crowd would cry that naming a team after the skin color of one's legs is racist,
or they would be shouting for this reason....... Redlegs >>
The Cincinnati reds were named specifically after a color, not a race of people. They didn't make a race their mascot. You can't see that difference?? If the Washington Redskins were named the Washington Reds, and used a caricature of a cartoon 'non' racists football icon as their mascot, there would be no problem there either.
The Red Scare debacle is not the same at all as a racist term that dehumanizes people in your own country. Any way you slice it, it is always in poor taste to make a person your mascot, and to use racist terms of their skin color to describe them.
I'm not asking BET, I'm asking you. Or is it still safe to assume that you are ok with naming a youth team the yellowskins or Blackskins? Or your Asian business associates as "yellowskin' associtates like you were ok with before.
SO, I see YOU are OK with naming youth teams Redskins, YellowSkins, or Blackskins??? Why is that question so hard for you to answer?
It was not used in a racist way.
Naming the Redskins, Blackhawks, and Braves after American-Indians did not have racist intent either.
Allow me to give you this lesson on intent.
If you call me stupid, then you have insulted me because my opinion is different than yours.
If you call walking in front of a moving train stupid, than you have insulted no one, and have merely stated a fact.
I'm sure if the Houston Colt45's were still around, you'd be shouting how this teams name is insensitive to all
the kids in the streets of Chicago who are getting gunned down all the time. That Houston team was named
after a gun, and all the PC's of this world would cry how insensitive that owner is for naming his team after a gun.
BTW, what is so wrong with talking about the color of someone's skin ?
Does it bother you that we say "Redhead" "Brunette" and "Blonde" after hair color ?
What if someone is called "Blue-eyes" like Frank Sinatra was ? Is that offensive too ?
What is your fascination with associating color to a human body part anyway ?
Is this all offensive to you ? Because if skin color is offensive to you, than I'm sure hair and eye color must be offensive to you also.
BTW, you totally missed the point on the Reds changing their name. My point was the Reds organization foolishly changed
their name just because the PC's of the world didn't want people to think the Reds were promoting Communism.
Six years later they came to their senses and renamed themselves the Reds again. The Reds caved into the pressure that the
PC crowd like you, Grote, and 1985fan belong to. Fortunately 91% of Native-Americans do not think like you.
YOU are OK with naming youth teams Redskins, YellowSkins, or Blackskins??? Why is that question so hard for you to answer?
PS, your 91% is flat out wrong. According to recent reports, the representatives of several groups have expressed THEY are offended. So you have to get a new stance.
Why do you feel it is ok to call a group of Asian people your "yellowskin associates"?
<< <i>The question still stands...
YOU are OK with naming youth teams Redskins, YellowSkins, or Blackskins??? Why is that question so hard for you to answer? >>
The question still stands here too. Would you protest Frank Sinatra if he bought a team in Bayonne NJ years ago and named
them the Bayonne Blue Eyes ?
SO, I see YOU are OK with naming youth teams Redskins, YellowSkins, or Blackskins??? Why is that question so hard for you to answer?
PS, if you were in charge of teaching a class of kids, and you had to divide them into three groups, would you feel it proper to divide students based on eye color, hair color, or skin tone?
However, trying to stay on point, I guess it would depend on whether the OP was talking about games played on the field, or any topic surrounding sports. If the former, there's no better story than this year's Boston Red Sox. If the latter, I'd to go with the Incognito story.
<< <i>The direction of this thread seems to indicate a clear winner of the OP's question...
However, trying to stay on point, I guess it would depend on whether the OP was talking about games played on the field, or any topic surrounding sports. If the former, there's no better story than this year's Boston Red Sox. If the latter, I'd to go with the Incognito story. >>
Actually, the OP's motive wasn't a true poll...it was a failed attempt to show a story that attempted to back his stance. Unfortunately, he is on the wrong side of right to begin with, and he chose a story that made him and the Redskins look even more ridiculous.
The OP seems to also believe that it is perfectly acceptable to name youth teams Redskins, Yellowskins, and Blackskins.
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Unfortunately, he is on the wrong side of right to begin with, and he chose a story that made him and the Redskins look even more ridiculous.
The OP seems to also believe that it is perfectly acceptable to name youth teams Redskins, Yellowskins, and Blackskins. >>
Unfortunately 91% of Native Americans find your stance on the issue somewhat laughable. They consider you a confused individual
for believing the lie that only 9% of the American-Indian population have bought into as well.
You also lie when you said I seem to believe that it is perfectly acceptable to name youth teams by the color of their skins.
I never seemed to say that. But I'll never seem to hear an apology from you, because people who are desperate to win
an argument will speak non-truths and lies just because they are desperate.
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Unfortunately, he is on the wrong side of right to begin with, and he chose a story that made him and the Redskins look even more ridiculous.
The OP seems to also believe that it is perfectly acceptable to name youth teams Redskins, Yellowskins, and Blackskins. >>
Unfortunately 91% of Native Americans find your stance on the issue somewhat laughable. They consider you a confused individual
for believing the lie that only 9% of the American-Indian population have bought into as well.
You also lie when you said I seem to believe that it is perfectly acceptable to name youth teams by the color of their skins.
I never seemed to say that. But I'll never seem to hear an apology from you, because people who are desperate to win
an argument will speak non-truths and lies just because they are desperate. >>
Actually, that 91% study was inaccurate and just wrong. The elected leaders have spoken, and they are indeed offended...far more than 9% of them. Sorry your theory is wrong.
Hmmm, so the question still stands! I see YOU are OK with naming youth teams Redskins, YellowSkins, or Blackskins??? Why is that question so hard for you to answer?
Why do you believe it is ok to do that? If you DO NOT believe it is ok to name youth teams Redskins, Yellowskins, or Blackskins, then please say so. Go ahead and set the record straight:
A) You are OK with naming youth teams redskins, Yellowskins, or blackskins.
or
Josie wales..speaking to a real american indian/actor "let's git those redskins" "no offense"
Chief Dan George "none taken"
Chief Dan George to Granny, "Let's git those paleskins" "no offense"
Granny "none taken"
Including me I think most americans have tremendous respect for our american indian heritage.
For me at least Redskins is not a derogatory name.
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A) You are OK with naming youth teams redskins, Yellowskins, or blackskins.
or
Do you understand that no one on this board is answering this "question" ?
Do you want a little hint as to why no one is answering it ?
I'll give you a little hint..............It has _______ to do with __________ ? (hint....nothing and anything are the missing words)
1985fan has already likened the Native American in the article in the OP to a bigot, and
now you'd like to ask this highly respected Native American hero if he'd like his grandkids football team to be called the Redskins.
Here's a little help about how that Native American feels. If he has no problem with the Washington Redskins, then he
probably has no problem with the Sioux City Pee Wee Redskins either. He obviously does not feel the term is offensive.
But don't call the girls football team the Sioux City Blondes, or the Sioux City Brown Eyes. D'em fightin' words !!!!!!!!!!!
A) You are OK with naming youth teams redskins, Yellowskins, or blackskins.
or
Not that hard. Since you refuse to answer, we are left with what you said before, and that is you are ok with using yellowskin, blackskin, and redskins to name youth teams.
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<< <i>First - I never said anything about the N word being OK under any circumstances!
Second - Yankee is definitely meant to be derogatory by people from the south.
And in closing all I can say about anyone being offended by a team being named Redskins.......is GET A LIFE!!!! And get over it!!!
Blast away if you want.....but this dribble is not worth any more of my time!
I heard a Native guy last month that said, Jesus died 2000 years ago and yet you don't hear Native Americans say to Christians to get over it......
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I heard a Native guy last month that said, Jesus died 2000 years ago and yet you don't hear Native Americans say to Christians to get over it...... >>
Probably because the way I understand Christianity is that Christians are happy that Jesus died. Because without Jesus death and
resurrection, sins would not be forgiven, and the gates of heaven would still be closed under the wrath of God.
There is no way to earn your way to heaven according to my Christians friends. Either you accept the death and sacrifice of Christ
on the cross, or you die an unrepentent unbeliever.
So if a Native American said this to a true Christian, than the true Christian would probably see that statement as a little strange.
<< <i>A) You are OK with naming youth teams redskins, Yellowskins, or blackskins.
or
Not that hard. Since you refuse to answer, we are left with what you said before, and that is you are ok with using yellowskin, blackskin, and redskins to name youth teams. >>
Never said that, but thanks for typing false statements once again.
What I said is that if 91% of Native Americans do not feel the term Redskin is offensive, than 91% of Native
Americans would probably have no problem with the name Redskins for a pee wee football team.
Now I must leave the forum for the evening.
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The thread ended after Wrestlingcardkings post. You highlighted it perfectly with pictures. It would take a fool to not see the point. The rest is just academic.
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<< <i>A) You are OK with naming youth teams redskins, Yellowskins, or blackskins.
or
Not that hard. Since you refuse to answer, we are left with what you said before, and that is you are ok with using yellowskin, blackskin, and redskins to name youth teams. >>
Never said that, but thanks for typing false statements once again.
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Then you have the chance to clarify your stance. All your words have pointed in this direction...so why would you name your youth sports teams those names??
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What I said is that if 91% of Native Americans do not feel the term Redskin is offensive, than 91% of Native
Americans would probably have no problem with the name Redskins for a pee wee football team.
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You continue to throw around this survey that is (a) over a decade old and (b) proven to be completely worthless as the survey questions themselves were worded poorly designed to get a result that was wanted. I've already linked more current information that proves plenty of Native Americans are indeed offended by this team name, yet you continue to disregard their feelings in a pathetic and desperate ploy to prop up your racist feelings.
<< <i>Now I must leave the forum for the evening. >>
You can't stay away long enough.
<< <i>My favorite sitcom on Black Entertainment Television begins in a minute, and then I'm lucky enough to have on the NHL
network tonight the Dallas Stars against the Chicago Blackhawks !!!!!!!!!! Go Blackhawks !!!! Best jersey in hockey, hands down !!! >>
Black Entertainment Television is fine. Blackskin Entertainment Television would be offensive. Why are you so pathetically ignorant as to be unable to grasp this difference? And even a trivial pursuit of the team 'Black Hawks' would tell you the team is named after Black Hawk, " a Native American of the Sauk nation, Black Hawk, who was a prominent figure in the history of Illinois." Trying to equate the two proves just how willfully ignorant you are of ALL races not your own, and how you continue to prove, time and time again, how racist you truly are. The FACTS are you continue to follow a path of willful ignorance. Pathetic, willful ignorance. Instead of just coming out and saying 'you know what guys, you're right, the term is offensive and I was wrong' you continue to follow a path of ignorance and racism.
<< <i> continue to prove, time and time again, how racist you truly are. The FACTS are you continue to follow a path of willful ignorance. Pathetic, willful ignorance. Instead of just coming out and saying 'you know what guys, you're right, the term is offensive and I was wrong' you continue to follow a path of ignorance and racism. >>
What a shame that continue to refer to the majority of proud Native American Indians who hold a different viewpoint than you as
ignorant and racists. Most of us here would not be shocked if you sat in a room of 1000 Native Americans...... 800 of them view the term Redskin as non-offensive, and you stood up at the podium and called those 800 an ignorant and racists people, just because they don't
agree with your point of view.
Perhaps one day will you come on here and say, "you know what, I was wrong, the majority of Native Americans, and people in general do
not feel this is an offensive term, and we should just let this futile attempt of ours go". But no, you continue to come on here
and call Native Americans ignorant and racists just because they don't see your silly point of view, that hardly anyone shares.
BTW, you said the name of the Redskins WILL be changed. Last time I checked, it hasn't. So once again, 1985fan is
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<< <i>I say that Edmund should dress up as blackface for a Halloween party while his friends dress up as Indians and wonder why it is okay for his friends to not get the grief that he would get. America is pretty slow to acknowledge Native people like they have for other races......it is a mystery to me. >>
If this conversation were going on in 1940's, you would have several staunch supporters on this board for segregation, because that would be what they were always used to, and people like to keep what they are used to. Eventually, those staunch supporters died off, and what is right eventually won out, and now nobody would even think of doing that, except for a few bigots still in the world.
What you have with Native Americans is changing ever so slowly. They simply don't have a strong a voice, as unfortunately, they represent a very small portion of the population, and many citizens look at them as relics. Of course, when people's only view of them is them being mascots at sporting events, that tends to reinforce the relic notion.
Your picture and cartoon portrayal above highlighting the issue by comparing it to other races is very compelling, and only a bigot or someone of low intellect won't be able to see it. I think that is why nobody on here has commented against that post, because I don't think the detractors on this board are bigots or morons.
The detractors will say we should be focusing on the bigger problems facing Native Americans, and they are right. However, that doesn't excuse the mascot issue.
In time. There is a lot of dialogue now, and that is a good way to get things moving.