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Grade opinion for 1892-O Morgan..........

DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,377 ✭✭✭✭✭
Raw 1892-O Morgan.

Same coin under different light angles.

Your grade opinion is appreciated......

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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,816 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A flat strike even for this date... I am thinking 62 as the second image really did not help the cause

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  • AU Details
  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,929 ✭✭✭✭✭
    64, like a lot of 92-O Morgans the strike is lacking. Looks every bit of 65 but doubt that
    PCGS would grant it based on the soft strike.



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  • BustHalfBrianBustHalfBrian Posts: 4,191 ✭✭✭✭
    UNC-Details
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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 35,743 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice cheek

    Weird coloring

    Can't venture a sure choice of au over ms.

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  • AU details/Questionable color
  • Unc. but looks like it might have some PVC residue that needs to come off.

    Clean fields but I can't see it being better than a 63 given the roller marks and weak strike.
  • I'm thinking questionable color or altered surfaces
  • nwcoastnwcoast Posts: 2,884 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>au58 >>



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    Lack of breast feather detail and curls above the ear wear...might that be the result of a weak strike? Don't know this series intimately enough to make that call. Coinkat is a fantastic grader! He might have nailed it!

    Otherwise, looks pretty clean and lacking hits.
    Color and luster hard to evaluate given lighting of the photos... As a result, kind of a wild guess!

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 35,743 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ok little roller marks on cheeks says ms to me,

    But where in ms land?

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,773 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It is not possible to give a definitive answer concerning this coin from photos, but my take on it would be questionable toning with a possibility of altered surfaces. The strike is quite flat, and I am guessing that the mint luster, if there is any, is on the dull side. These factors make a coin like this hard to grade, even in person.
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  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>UNC-Details >>



    +1

    QC.

    MsMorissine - I think I get what you're saying, but roller marks can be found on non-MS coins.
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  • treybenedicttreybenedict Posts: 439 ✭✭✭✭
    looks like au/unc details to me
  • PTVETTERPTVETTER Posts: 6,018 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks more AU than UNC
    Something is going on with that coin!
    The fields look so clean but, the high points show some friction or rub. image
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  • commoncents05commoncents05 Posts: 10,096 ✭✭✭
    AU/Unc slider definitely artificially toned. The smoky haze is a dead giveaway.

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  • DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,010 ✭✭✭✭✭
    AU58 and messed with.
    When in doubt, don't.
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    63 on marks/luster but the key is whether it's been messed with. These can grade MS63/64 with weak strikes....which is most of them.
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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,816 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I suppose I am running contrary on this one and I chalk that up to the photos. As troubling as the image may look, I suspect the bigger issue is with the photography and lighting-please don't be offended DoubleEagle59.

    I still see this as an MS coin- it just has limitations.

    If it were AU, there would be signs in the fields which do not seem present even though images were taken at various angles. I seriously doubt there was an attempt to hide hairlines or signs of wear.

    The 1892-O is not as problematic as other O Morgan dates in terms of the strike. The quality is better than the 1888-o through 1891-o dates.

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  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,765 ✭✭✭✭✭
    CH AU - would put in 2x2 and price at $75.

    I sold a similar piece of like quality about 2 mo ago from my table at a show for that. The guy was putting together a set consisting of both slabbed and raw pieces. He kept the raw pieces in a whitman plastic storage box with an NGC storage box housing the slabs and inventoried his collection on an excel spreadsheet. I joked with him if he was a registry guy and he laughed, "just filling the holes with the nicest looking, cheapest I can get. Don't care about that or the holder / sticker game." I told him "I like that as that is the approach I am taking with my Barber Half set I just started in good or better. Grading fees will eat you lunch unless its a coin which really justifies grading."
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  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Genuine, AU Details.

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