where were the self appointed ebay police, "reporters", (insert deï�ï¿

ebaybuyer

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1871-CC-SILVER-SEATED-DIME-TEN-CENTS-RARE-NICE-COIN-/321257215610?pt=Coins_US_Individual&hash=item4acc6c167a&nma=true&si=1UnMa%2B69PBXvlVGIlOaBrBrM7Y0%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

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coindeuce

School me on this. What am I overlooking that screams fake ? I'll guess it is something related to the date font, or perhaps an altered 1876 ?

AUandAG

Pretty rare critter there. I don't see the issue other than someone probably got a great deal.

bob

ebaybuyer

the mintmarks are wrong, the date placement is wrong, and it kinda looks like a type II reverse, someone got quite a score

ebaybuyer

forgot the most obvious, the reeding can be seen as a reflection in the 2x2 plastic, that is what got my attention originally, all genuine 1871-1874 CC dimes used the same collar (and it definitely wasn't this one) and also shared the same reverse die, and thus will have the same mintmark position (which this one doesn't)

ricko

Wow... if that is really fake - as it appears (pictures are really bad), someone sure got shafted....Cheers, RickO

MsMorrisine

so many incorrect assumptions about the ebay police

ebaybuyer

my conclusions of the ebay police are derived from their very own wording, here and elsewhere.

MsMorrisine

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LanceNewmanOCC

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as a BIN, it could have been active for less than a minute or another way of saying, very shortly.
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FreddieH

Horrible fake
Saw them at the sac show.
They're underweight, not silver.
In hand the luster and toning is way off, it's like a milky substance over the metal, to imitate the luster.

ebaybuyer

lance, how long should it take to recognize that its a fake ?

yosclimber

Are you volunteering as one of the new, faster ebay police?

Nobody is perfect, and they are doing it for free, so I'd say don't be too harsh unless you have a better idea....

Nothing wrong with pointing out something that got missed, though.

rec78

A problem with ebay these days is that on a bin you do not know when the auction began. It may have been listed for 10 minutes. Smoeone thought they got a bargain and grabbed it. Happens all the time. I am sure that if it was a regular auction listing that it would have been threaded here. To the trained eye seated coin person, it is an obvious fake instantly. With the buyer protection plan, I do not think that the buyer has anything to worry about, unless he is one of those who just puts it in a safety deposit box and forgets about it for years. (And there are these sorts of people out there.)

I do not consider myself an ebay police or anything like that, but when I see a fake that should be reported I will start a thread and try to get enough reporters to shut down the auction. Thanks for the post. I did not know that this fake existed until this post. No matter how hard we try and how much vigilance is used, smoe things will still fall through the cracks.

I have the utmost respect for you ebaybuyer and look forward to and value your opinions greatly. I find your posts to be informative and dedicated to the hobby.

Edited to add--Welcome to the ebay police force. You can still report an auction even after it is over.

Reported.

Bob

MsMorrisine

"not my series"

mbogoman

<< <i>"not my series" >>



Me, too. I search CC Morgans, Seated, Trade and Early dollars among others and average about half a dozen counterfeit reports a day. I also report hijacks - one of the more frequent items for hijacked accounts is the 1995 10th Anniversary Eagle set. The "hijackers" list it at somewhere between $5000 and $5500 Buy it Now. There was another one this morning at $5500 from a dormant seller with no prior coin selling activity - that is the usual MO for these guys...

LanceNewmanOCC

<< <i>lance, how long should it take to recognize that its a fake ? >>



depends whom is looking and how long they have to see it before someone buys it and just because someone sees it and reports it doesn't mean someone else can't come in and buy it before it is removed. you should know all this.

i've reported fakes far more obvious than that one for days and even over a week before they were removed. posted them on vamworld and here and still took days.
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LindeDad

You can't protect stupid money from buying thrash. No one should buy a raw coin for that much.

ebaybuyer

im with Lindedad No one should buy a raw coin for that much. ... unless they know what they are buying. and in this case the buyer should have spent a little more time researching and a little less time pulling the trigger, I am not on the ebay police force because my heart does not bleed for those that have more money than brains. there is no such thing as santa.

Zoins

<< <i>Sold for: US $2,499.99 >>



That's quite a bit of change there. I wonder if it's off to our hosts next.

amwldcoin

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<< <i>Sold for: US $2,499.99 >>



That's quite a bit of change there. I wonder if it's off to our hosts next. >>



If that coin was genuine you might well be able to add another 0!

MsMorrisine

Auctions can be nuked after they are closed.

mr1931S

A problem with ebay these days is that on a bin you do not know when the auction began. It may have been listed for 10 minutes.

I once listed a bust dime with BIN that lasted 15 minutes.The coin that is the subject of this thread looks fake to me.I would never buy a coin on ebay with such poor images as this one.Having said that,the images are good enough for this reporter to stay away from participating in this auction.Thanks for sharing.

AMRC

My question is "Did you report it?"

We are all the coin police (not just for ebay but for the hobby). Why do you assume someone else should do it? Baffling.

nencoin

Start Time:
Saturday, 23-Nov-13 00:54:19 UTC
End Time:
Saturday, 23-Nov-13 01:43:20 UTC

Edited to add: Only eight people viewed it before it was purchased.

Zoins

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<< <i>Sold for: US $2,499.99 >>



That's quite a bit of change there. I wonder if it's off to our hosts next. >>



If that coin was genuine you might well be able to add another 0! >>



If this person is collecting $25,000 coins, that's a healthy sized coin budget.

DennisH

<< <i>so many incorrect assumptions about the ebay police >>

So damn many.

lostincoins

Ok the consensus is that this coin is fake. One reason listed is the reeded edge, what about the reeded edge shows this to be fake as this coin has a reeded edge? I split my screen and place both the coin fact coin and the coin in question next to each other. On comparison the mint mark is in the same location and position so what is it about this that is wrong? On comparing the date side by side the are in the same location and position and appear to be the same font, what is wrong here? The reflection in the sellers pic is a stretched section being caused by the reeding giving a distorted reflection. I ask these questions so that I can better learn what about this fake so I will know what to look for in the future. Any help with this will be greatly appreciated and would also help anyone not familiar with these beautiful coins who reads this post.

mr1931S

On comparison the mint mark is in the same location and position so what is it about this that is wrong?

The letters used for the mintmark "CC" look fake to me.

coindeuce

<< <i>Ok the consensus is that this coin is fake. One reason listed is the reeded edge, what about the reeded edge shows this to be fake as this coin has a reeded edge? I split my screen and place both the coin fact coin and the coin in question next to each other. On comparison the mint mark is in the same location and position so what is it about this that is wrong? On comparing the date side by side the are in the same location and position and appear to be the same font, what is wrong here? The reflection in the sellers pic is a stretched section being caused by the reeding giving a distorted reflection. I ask these questions so that I can better learn what about this fake so I will know what to look for in the future. Any help with this will be greatly appreciated and would also help anyone not familiar with these beautiful coins who reads this post. >>



L.I.C., the OP is an advanced Seated type specialist. If you aren't comfortable with accepting the technical points that the OP shared, maybe you should just avoid buying any raw coins from eBay, ever.

lkeigwin

I don't follow the series either.

Pix suck. And anyone who buys a rarity raw based on fuzzy pix is taking a big chance.
Lance.

lostincoins

Thank you coindeuce for your opinion.
That is not the issue at all I wanted to expand my knowledge. The description as to the issues on the coin posted by the OP was fairly vague. I thought this would be a great opportunity for those of us not familiar with the series to learn what to look for. There are also many fake coins in fake holders so just because a coin is in a holder does not make it correct. The TPG do on occasion make errors also or we would not have such a flourishing crack out going on.

coin22lover

I'm not so sure that anyone got such a great deal, even if it is real. What would a cleaned VF go for?

ebaybuyer

looking at the comparison pics, i see that the date placements are in fact different. this is as easy as comparing the first 1 in the date to the denticles below the date, on the suspect coin there is a denticle directly below the 1 in the date, on the coinfacts coin there is not. the LH C of the mintmark is lower than the RH C on a genuine 1871-cc dime, the suspect coin has both CC's even. and it would be almost impossible for a type II reverse to have been used to hub a die in 1871 as the type II hub was not created until 1876. three strikes, then the reeding, once you hold in your hand a genuine 1871-1874-CC dime, you will never forget the reeding, it looks like play money. the suspect coin has reeding that is consistent with a coin struck at Philadelphia. my point is that if you are going to swim with the sharks, (buy raw coins on ebay) don't expect there to be a life preserver (ie ebay police) to rescue you from your own ignorance. as diligent as the ebay police are at bringing down auctions, (even ones that are entirely legitimate) they cannot be everywhere, the ebay police remind me of the saying "give a man a meal and he eats for a day" (the ebay police "protecting" him from buying junk) i suggest the man learns how to cook for himself so he never goes hungry (don't bid on what you don't know anything about)

rec78

Don't coins for sale at $2500.00 and above have to be in a third party slab to be sold on ebay? I think that this is the case. This is probably why the seller chose $2499.99 to sell it at. I smell a rat.

Here is a raw 1909-S vdb sold by the same seller. I would venture to guess that it is not real either-thus the bad scan.

lostincoins

I did not want to buy this coin, I am not dealing with them now. I am doing a circulated Barber set with my boys. I just wanted to know about the coin is all. Thank you for the information ebaybuyer.

ebaybuyer

no prob lost, there is a tight knit group of people that know seated coins, if you find yourself interested in them, jus holla

http://seateddimes.yuku.com/

mr1931S

I'm not so sure that anyone got such a great deal, even if it is real. What would a cleaned VF go for?

$4K-$5K