I'm in love....

tradedollarnut

Remember this absolutely amazing shot of the mint bloom on the Carter 1794?



Well, the Newman 1803 is the only other early dollar that I've seen with this same mint bloom. I'm drooling right now!

blacksmoke

I'm not in to the older coins yet but that's a beaut. It's really fascinating to see not only how the designs have progressed over the years but how much work had to have been put in to making these coins so long ago.

DUIGUY

jmski52

Seeing it in person would be pretty cool. It sure would be nice to win Powerball. I promise that I would support the coin market.

CoinRaritiesOnline

Would be nice to see a TrueView of each some day . . .

ricko

Very impressive coin.... Cheers, RickO

TwoSides2aCoin

… going to die of malnutrition in my dreams.

magikbilly

THAT is one heck of a photo! I have obviously not seen that in hand. Does the mint flash and luster swirl and jump around anything like a modern coin, say a Walker or Morgan, or does it have a very different behavior due to the early planchets and production methods/dies/striking pressure?

Best wishes,
ERic

tradedollarnut

I need to spend some more time with the 1794 to answer that question adequately. Will report back next month as it won't be til then that I've seen it again.

I can say that on the 1803 it jumps and dances quite nicely - especially if you get that off angle with a far away light source that the above image was taken at...

CoinZip

Educate us, what is "Mint Bloom?"

tradedollarnut

Virgin frost that makes the surfaces glow. This is the very first thing that mishandling will destroy. See how Miss Liberty's cheek and neck reflect the light in that pic? Now compare it to this pic:



See the difference? Some is angle, some is a very old mishandling that took the very delicate original surfaces off. Most 18th century coinage no longer has this original mint bloom.

magikbilly

Hello,

I take that term to mean the combination of original as-struck surfaces with flow lines and luster interacting at their best - some intangible quality is likely included. Something like the way the frost on a superb Peace dollar combines with the luster that elicits wonder at the preservation. A freshness that defies time and transports you back to 1794.
Bruce will have a much better answer.

Best wishes,
Eric

tradedollarnut

It's not just luster - as luster will remain after mishandling. It's like microluster - a velvet blanket upon which luster sits. Can't describe it any differently.

PQueue

Great coins, and a very good post. Let's take it 1 step further. I look forward to the thoughts of the knowledgeable members. I will start.

What percentage of mint state/uncirculated 18th century coins have full Mint Bloom?
My guess... 2%
Excluding Morgan dollars, what percentage of mint state 19th century coins have full Mint Bloom?
My opinion... 5%

magikbilly

<< <i>It's not just luster - as luster will remain after mishandling. It's like microluster - a velvet blanket upon which luster sits. Can't describe it any differently. >>



There you have it - microluster. The closest wording I could get out was was that frost. Velvety is the word!

Best wishes,
Eric

tradedollarnut

Collectors will tend to misgrade these two types of coins. They will pour over the two coins with a glass and point to marks on the virgin frost coin and undergrade it. They will see the lack of marks plus decent luster on the subtlely mishandled coin and overgrade it. What they don't realize is the first coin is much higher up the chain as far as starting grade goes and therefore grades much higher.

OldEastside

Thats very desirable

Steve

crypto79

<< <i>Virgin frost that makes the surfaces glow. This is the very first thing that mishandling will destroy. See how Miss Liberty's cheek and neck reflect the light in that pic? Now compare it to this pic:



See the difference? Some is angle, some is a very old mishandling that took the very delicate original surfaces off. Most 18th century coinage no longer has this original mint bloom. >>




Great example but we need pictures of the 1803!!!

AMRC

OP:

So do you own the coin yet?

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Weiss

See, to me that shot makes it look like it's been dipped. It's just too reflecty.


http://www.pcgscoinfacts.com/Coin/Detail/86851

fivecents

<< <i>It's not just luster - as luster will remain after mishandling. It's like microluster - a velvet blanket upon which luster sits. Can't describe it any differently. >>

Great term and definition TDN. What beautiful and fantastically hammered coin.

jmski52

Interesting to see the differences between the stars on the 1794 vs. the 1795. And the hair detail as well. Thanks for the photos! Drooling here.

CaptHenway

<< <i>See, to me that shot makes it look like it's been dipped. It's just too reflecty.


http://www.pcgscoinfacts.com/Coin/Detail/86851

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I, too, prefer this image.