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anybody else have this problem with graded pack holders

seriously frustrated bought a high grade psa pack for my collection when it arrived in mail the loose gum had poked a hole in bottom of pack. needless to say the pack was no longer a psa 9. this has happened 4 times now thankfully each seller has returned my money. the first time it happened the pack was straight from psa and by the time i got it had the hole in it. My point is cant psa make a better more secure holder for graded packs. I know the gai holders were flimsy but at least they held the gum in tight.
Sorry just had to let out my frustration to others who understand.

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  • esquiresportsesquiresports Posts: 1,360 ✭✭✭
    Just got a pack a couple days ago with a shard of gum poking out about 1/4". Pretty bad. Note: this was a pack in the old model holder, and the gum poked through where there was space. It is frustrating. I sometimes forget I need to take a close look at eBay photos.
    Always buying 1971 OPC Baseball packs.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,743 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This is an ongoing issue unfortunately and occurs when the gum is loose in the pack. IMO the only way to prevent this problem is for psa to use a soft plastic holder like gai to immobilize the gum or to at least insert shrinkwrap on the top of the pack in the holder which I have seen them do in some cases in the past.


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • gemintgemint Posts: 6,124 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes this is frustrating and has ruined a lot of scarce packs. I had it happen to my PSA 9 1963 pack and a 1974 pack with Tom Seaver showing. Fortunately the other few dozen packs I had graded survived. However, I'm hesitant to buy a graded 1965 pack that I need to fill in my run back to 1960 because I'm afraid of it getting damaged in shipment. I'll have to wait to find one at a card show so I don't have to worry about shipping.
  • yes grote but if its an ongoing problem when will psa do something about it. im frustrated but at least I got my money back im sure the seller was mad when his 200 psa 9 pack was just turned into basically junk because of a poor holder design. like you said it could easily be fixed with a 2 cent plastic sleeve.
  • jmaciujmaciu Posts: 1,289 ✭✭✭
    Here are 2 of mine with damage:

    1979 Topps Baseball with gum punctures on the top and bottom edges (was a PSA 9) and a 1976 Topps in a 1974 wrapper with gum puncture on the bottom edge (was a PSA 8).

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    I am with grote in that GAI has a far more reliable holder, at least for wax packs.
  • <<I am with grote in that GAI has a far more reliable holder, at least for wax packs>>

    is GAI even in buisness still? bought some wax trays this past year thought about getting them slabbed
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,743 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i><<I am with grote in that GAI has a far more reliable holder, at least for wax packs>>

    is GAI even in buisness still? bought some wax trays this past year thought about getting them slabbed >>



    They are still in business but I would not submit anything to them, as there have been some real horror stories here on their turnaround times.

    They are fairly reliable as far as authentication goes (at least with the vast majority of wax packs that I have purchased and/or opened), though speaking of wax trays, they almost always get the 76 trays wrong and label them as 74s..


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • I think getting packs graded in the first place is stupid. I like the feel of a pack raw compared to a plastic prison.
  • bigdcardsbigdcards Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I think getting packs graded in the first place is stupid. I like the feel of a pack raw compared to a plastic prison. >>



    90% or more is about having the pack authenticated. If that were paired with a small protective holder that stabilizes the gum, it would be ideal.
    To bigdcards: "you are right" - cpamike "That is correct" -grote15


  • << <i>

    << <i>I think getting packs graded in the first place is stupid. I like the feel of a pack raw compared to a plastic prison. >>



    90% or more is about having the pack authenticated. If that were paired with a small protective holder that stabilizes the gum, it would be ideal. >>



    I understand, but i dont need another guys opinion to tell me my pack from 1979 is authentic.
  • ReggieClevelandReggieCleveland Posts: 3,818 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>I think getting packs graded in the first place is stupid. I like the feel of a pack raw compared to a plastic prison. >>



    90% or more is about having the pack authenticated. If that were paired with a small protective holder that stabilizes the gum, it would be ideal. >>



    I understand, but i dont need another guys opinion to tell me my pack from 1979 is authentic. >>



    I would guess you're in the minority.
  • pjb103183pjb103183 Posts: 1,330 ✭✭✭
    i bought a pack of 1972 topps 5/6 series graded psa 9 from steve about a year ago that had a hole in the wax pack when it arrived....it was very annoying but i guess this happens sometimes...i ended up selling it for $50 less than i paid for it as it was no longer worthy of a 9( i didnt even bother telling bbce about this, as it seems it would be hard to prove that this happened during shipping and by no fault of my own)...i agree there should be some measures taken to prevent this from happening!
  • esquiresportsesquiresports Posts: 1,360 ✭✭✭


    << <i>i bought a pack of 1972 topps 5/6 series graded psa 9 from steve about a year ago that had a hole in the wax pack when it arrived....it was very annoying but i guess this happens sometimes...i ended up selling it for $50 less than i paid for it as it was no longer worthy of a 9( i didnt even bother telling bbce about this, as it seems it would be hard to prove that this happened during shipping and by no fault of my own)...i agree there should be some measures taken to prevent this from happening! >>



    Wow - I had the same thing happen to me on a 5/6 pack from 1972. And I too sold it for about a $50 loss. Maybe more.
    Always buying 1971 OPC Baseball packs.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,743 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>i bought a pack of 1972 topps 5/6 series graded psa 9 from steve about a year ago that had a hole in the wax pack when it arrived....it was very annoying but i guess this happens sometimes...i ended up selling it for $50 less than i paid for it as it was no longer worthy of a 9( i didnt even bother telling bbce about this, as it seems it would be hard to prove that this happened during shipping and by no fault of my own)...i agree there should be some measures taken to prevent this from happening! >>



    Wow - I had the same thing happen to me on a 5/6 pack from 1972. And I too sold it for about a $50 loss. Maybe more. >>



    Me three...


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • PaulMaulPaulMaul Posts: 4,892 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>i bought a pack of 1972 topps 5/6 series graded psa 9 from steve about a year ago that had a hole in the wax pack when it arrived....it was very annoying but i guess this happens sometimes...i ended up selling it for $50 less than i paid for it as it was no longer worthy of a 9( i didnt even bother telling bbce about this, as it seems it would be hard to prove that this happened during shipping and by no fault of my own)...i agree there should be some measures taken to prevent this from happening! >>



    Wow - I had the same thing happen to me on a 5/6 pack from 1972. And I too sold it for about a $50 loss. Maybe more. >>



    Me three... >>



    What makes it doubly annoying is that the nicer and fresher the pack is, the more likely it will get damaged in this way...
  • ReggieClevelandReggieCleveland Posts: 3,818 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That's why I always zap my packs in the microwave for 2 minutes before submitting them for grading. Really fuses that gum to the top card.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,743 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>That's why I always zap my packs in the microwave for 2 minutes before submitting them for grading. Really fuses that gum to the top card. >>



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    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • I never really understood the whole unopened thing, Money I guess.

    The cards were always meant to be opened, maybe its some kind of omen, the cards
    trying to escape their plastic tombs.

    Maybe the card gods are angry! Like when Moses came back down from the mountain
    to find them worshipping the golden calf.

    Free yourselves before the greedy humans inprison you for speculative profits.

    just a thought.

  • pjb103183pjb103183 Posts: 1,330 ✭✭✭
    its not all about their monetary value....its about having a unique item that every tom, dick, and harry doesnt own....the cards are easy to find(even hof'ers), but the unopened packs can be quite the challenge...imo, that is what makes them so appealing(and the thrill of the gamble if you dare open them)
  • PaulMaulPaulMaul Posts: 4,892 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Every collector is driven by different emotions. I'm almost 100% fueled by nostalgic love of childhood items, and unopened packs and display boxes are very evocative in this way. Every time I see unopened/display items it brings back the excitement of being in the candy store in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn getting ready to buy packs.
  • dtkk49adtkk49a Posts: 2,489 ✭✭✭
    I am confused as to why PSA has not aggressively addressed this issue? Does anyone know why?
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    They call me "Pack the Ripper"


  • << <i>its not all about their monetary value....its about having a unique item that every tom, dick, and harry doesnt own....the cards are easy to find(even hof'ers), but the unopened packs can be quite the challenge...imo, that is what makes them so appealing(and the thrill of the gamble if you dare open them) >>




    Seems to be an awful lot of Tom, Dick and Harry's out there.


  • << <i>Every collector is driven by different emotions. I'm almost 100% fueled by nostalgic love of childhood items, and unopened packs and display boxes are very evocative in this way. Every time I see unopened/display items it brings back the excitement of being in the candy store in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn getting ready to buy packs. >>




    Nice try, but NOT!

    The true nostalgic collector would achive that nostalgic effect by making the display with some reseale wrappers and empty boxes shrink wrapped
    with fillers in them. There would be no reason for them to spend hundreds or even thousands on unopened product when the nostalgic effect
    could be achived at a fraction of the cost.


    Unopened is pure speculative investment for potential profit, and its a free country and there's nothing wrong with that.

    There's no reason to try and hide it under to "diferent emotions" and "Nostalgic Love"

  • pjb103183pjb103183 Posts: 1,330 ✭✭✭
    of course profit is a motivating factor here...but id say most of us have a love for the hobby and baseball as well...its like playing poker to me...even when i lose i still won because i enjoy the game...making money is just an added bonus...when you love what you do its not really work!
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,743 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I find it humorous how some believe their way is the only correct or "true" way to collect, or that they have it all figured out. The pretension in that assumption is rather enlightening. Btw, the word I think you were looking for is achieve.


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • PaulMaulPaulMaul Posts: 4,892 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Every collector is driven by different emotions. I'm almost 100% fueled by nostalgic love of childhood items, and unopened packs and display boxes are very evocative in this way. Every time I see unopened/display items it brings back the excitement of being in the candy store in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn getting ready to buy packs. >>




    Nice try, but NOT!

    The true nostalgic collector would achive that nostalgic effect by making the display with some reseale wrappers and empty boxes shrink wrapped
    with fillers in them. There would be no reason for them to spend hundreds or even thousands on unopened product when the nostalgic effect
    could be achived at a fraction of the cost.


    Unopened is pure speculative investment for potential profit, and its a free country and there's nothing wrong with that.

    There's no reason to try and hide it under to "diferent emotions" and "Nostalgic Love" >>



    Your logic is flawed. By your logic, there's no need for a collector to own a high grade card either. The same visual effect can be had with a trimmed or re-colored card. Evidently, some of us get a warm glow from having actual original items in their original condition. I sure as hell am not doing it for speculation or profit, and the same goes for buying high grade cards. I have no intention of ever selling anything I buy, though circumstances can always change.
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