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What happened to all the 1927-D double eagles??

I think maybe 180 K struck and 9 or 10 known today?? Where are the rest?

The roaring twenties were still going strong and gold was flowing into the country.
Ed

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,832 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I think maybe 2 mm struck and 9 or 10 known today?? Where are the rest?

    The roaring twenties were still going strong and gold was flowing into the country. >>


    There were 180,000 minted and most of them were melted as part of the gold recall.


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  • mdwoodsmdwoods Posts: 5,559 ✭✭✭
    I believe they were available but you had to ask for them specifically. I don't know about locations to get them. Not many collectors got them. Most were melted.
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  • TheRavenTheRaven Posts: 4,148 ✭✭✭✭
    I believe you could have "ordered" these if you wanted this specific coin. this was the case for a lot of these late date saint rarities.....
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,832 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Very few people collected double eagles by date and mintmark back then because of their very high face value. The dozen or so coins that survive today were most likely specially requested from their bank or the treasury. The rest sat in bank and treasury vaults and were turned in to the government as part of the gold recall in 1933 and were subsequently melted.

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  • giorgio11giorgio11 Posts: 3,939 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It appears, given the high grade of the surviving population, that none ever made the trip overseas to Europe or elsewhere and back in bags. I think most of the small mintage never got out of Treasury hands unless, as stated, collectors specifically asked for an example in 1932.

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,832 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>It appears, given the high grade of the surviving population, that none ever made the trip overseas to Europe or elsewhere and back in bags. I think most of the small mintage never got out of Treasury hands unless, as stated, collectors specifically asked for an example in 1932.

    Best Regards,

    George >>


    I think you meant 1927. I can't imagine a date collector waiting 5 years.

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  • joebb21joebb21 Posts: 4,769 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Is there documentation that of the 180,000 minted 179,500 made it to the pot in the big melting with only say 500 surviving then- of which the 10 known coins (based on OP) are the last survivors or is it also possible that just like the GSA's or some other years that were originally considered rare and one day a hoard was found
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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,796 ✭✭✭✭✭
    When it comes to mintages and the number of St. Gaudens $20 gold pieces that survive today, it all depends upon who was holding them at the time that Franklin Roosevelt issued his Gold Surrender Order. If the coins were in a European or some other foreign bank, chances are they were saved. If they were held by the Federal Reserve or the U.S. Treasury, they went to the melting pot. The few pieces that escaped were held by private collectors or citizens.

    There is one other scenario. I have read that there were government employees who got lists from coin dealers about better date gold coins. If they saw a better date coin on the piles they would substitute another piece and supply it to those outside sources. I doubt that many, if any, 1927-D double eagles were saved in this way, but it is a remote possibility.

    The gold surrender order was absolute. Citizens were allowed to keep up to $100 face value in gold coins, or coins that were recognized as historic and valuable could be legally held. This was the incentive that got Lewis Eliasberg into coin collecting.
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  • guitarwesguitarwes Posts: 9,290 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The gold surrender order was absolute. Citizens were allowed to keep up to $100 face value in gold coins, or coins that were recognized as historic and valuable could be legally held. This was the incentive that got Lewis Eliasberg into coin collecting. >>



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  • FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,925 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Dan Brown, a famous Denver coin dealer,
    told the story for years (I heard it first in
    1973) that you could buy 1927-D $20
    St. Gaudens at the Denver Mint for $20.50.

    (same story as the '33's, but Brown's
    telling was at least 30-40 years before a '33
    surfaced, and it became a possible method
    of how they came out of the Mint too)


    That was supposedly the source of a few
    of them.

    As far as I know, none were ever found
    in Europe.
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  • s4nys4ny Posts: 1,573 ✭✭✭
    The Dan Brown story makes sense. In 1927 nothing seemed rare about these
    coins. Why pay the extra 50c?
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Who'd want a 180,000 mintage 1927-D when a 34,000 mintage 1913-S seemed to much "better." Or how about the rare date Philly coins of the 1880's with under 10,000 minted or the rare CC's?
    As we've learned over and over again, mintages can be deceiving....even if accurate.
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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,599 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I can't remember in my previous life, but speculatin' I did.
  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,687 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Scrooge McDuck has the remainder of the mintage in mint sealed bags. They are at the 35 foot level in his money bin.
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  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,221 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Scrooge McDuck has the remainder of the mintage in mint sealed bags. They are at the 35 foot level in his money bin. >>

    lmao, what ever works
  • Timbuk3Timbuk3 Posts: 11,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice story guys !!! image
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  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I recollect when Bill Juchnik was working on a roll of hi reliefs and started selling at 17 coins.
    And that was wh en I had no money.

    waaahhh
  • DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,010 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Maybe a bunch are sitting in bank vaults in Switzerland.
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  • orevilleoreville Posts: 12,144 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Lewis Eliasberg >>



    You meant Louis Eliasberg? image
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  • The vast majority were ran through rollers and melted in 1937. If any more survived, it will be due to the Treasury offering them at face value before the gold recall. There could be a few more here and there...
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,832 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The vast majority were ran through rollers and melted in 1937. If any more survived, it will be due to the Treasury offering them at face value before the gold recall. There could be a few more here and there... >>


    Why were they run through rollers? They had $20 worth of gold in them and rolling them wouldn't diminish their value.

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  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    he probably means "rollers" as in a counting machine and not a rolling machine.
  • << The gold surrender order was absolute. Citizens were allowed to keep up to $100 face value in gold coins, or coins that were recognized as historic and valuable could be legally held. This was the incentive that got Lewis Eliasberg into coin collecting. >>

    There were several successive versions of the gold surrender orders. The $100 face value exemption was an earlier one and not the final one.
  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,687 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Back in the early 1980's I saw a $20 Liberty Head that had been put through a roller and impressed with a Swiss Cross. I'm not sure why this was done. Anyone know?
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  • AnalystAnalyst Posts: 1,438 ✭✭✭

    FredWeinberg: << Dan Brown, a famous Denver coin dealer, told the story for years .. that you could buy 1927-D $20 St. Gaudens at the Denver Mint for $20.50.>>

    Yes, this my understanding as well, $20.50 at most. I recollect that QDB provides documentation of this fact in at least one of his books and articles. I believe that the extra fifty cents relates to mail orders. Someone who visited the Denver Mint could probably have acquired one for just face value, until some point in the 1930s, and it is likely that a few people did.

    I estimate that twelve or thirteen exist, probably just twelve. Also, I covered the sales of two of them so far in 2014.

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