$29000 1979 wax tray case

ToppsFan · October 22, 2013 3:36AM

Anyone ever seen one of these?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/161133001603

cjaccardi · October 22, 2013 3:44AM

this only a display case ?

jmaciu · October 22, 2013 3:46AM

Wow, the cost is just over $150 per tray. This seems to be more in line with what a 1978 Wax tray case should be. The buyer would be paying a hefty premium.

goraiders · October 22, 2013 3:48AM

<< Anyone ever seen one of these?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/161133001603 >>

Paul
You know how to link,come on

stormtrooper80 · October 22, 2013 3:57AM

Fame is like genius in it's potential for good and evil. It is, however, not a measure of one's intelligence in any right - though it can be a direct result of it.The funny thing about fame is that many people care more that something is famous then what it actually is famous for ... I've come to realize that more from living in LA

aconte · October 22, 2013 4:07AM

<< 

<< Anyone ever seen one of these?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/161133001603 >>

Paul
You know how to link,come on

>>

lol....

aconte

Dboneesq · October 22, 2013 4:31AM

Paying a 70-80 percent premium because they are in a sealed case seems a bit crazy to me. Although, if it was still had the original outer shipping case maybe it would be worth it!

grote15 · October 22, 2013 4:35AM

I am bullish on trays and have seen prices almost triple in last couple of years but $150 a tray is exorbitant imo. I could see $100 though for a sealed case.

DCanfield · October 22, 2013 4:46AM

BBCE had one of these a few weeks ago. It was opened and was missing 1 tray. It had 191 out of 192 trays. They posted the find on their facebook page and also gave you an insight at what it sold at. Namely + - $100 per tray so figure about $19,000 and they had it sold before it arrived in Illinois. $100 per tray is the new baseline for 1979's! $27,000 for a sealed case is still strong money but where are you going to see another one? There may be enough deep pockets out there willing to spend crazy money. At least fun to watch.

MintMoondog · October 22, 2013 7:18AM

<< Fame is like genius in it's potential for good and evil. It is, however, not a measure of one's intelligence in any right - though it can be a direct result of it.The funny thing about fame is that many people care more that something is famous then what it actually is famous for ... I've come to realize that more from living in LA >>

Uh, um, they smoke a lot of weed out there in LA?

BTW: Did you'all notice the guy stores his case in the back of a minvan? Good lord, "and then my 8 year old son's friends decided to rip the case after their little league game and brought the cards with them to Micky D's..."

mygotta · October 22, 2013 7:34AM

It's only equivalent to about 5 boxes. I think $5000 would be a more reasonable price, despite the rarity of the box. I would think, then, $10,000 would be max. But even then, it seems too much.

DCanfield · October 22, 2013 7:47AM

<< It's only equivalent to about 5 boxes. I think $5000 would be a more reasonable price, despite the rarity of the box. I would think, then, $10,000 would be max. But even then, it seems too much. >>

I don't think your math is right. 3 packs per tray x 192 trays is 576 packs. That works out to 16 boxes. But of course, they are trays and have a premium way above a raw box price.

grote15 · October 22, 2013 8:18AM

<< 

<< It's only equivalent to about 5 boxes. I think $5000 would be a more reasonable price, despite the rarity of the box. I would think, then, $10,000 would be max. But even then, it seems too much. >>

I don't think your math is right. 3 packs per tray x 192 trays is 576 packs. That works out to 16 boxes. But of course, they are trays and have a premium way above a raw box price. >>

+1

ToppsFan · October 22, 2013 9:42AM

Why such a premium? 1979 trays average $75 to $80 on ebay.

MintMoondog · October 22, 2013 10:00AM

IMO the seller is doing things exactly right. If he listed the sealed case at an average of 80 per tray - gone in 10 seconds. If he listed the case at 100 per tray - also gone...so maybe 120? Well, he wouldn't know whether he left money on the table. So he should start high. The idea is that the purchaser may be buying a 1 of a kind product that will remain this way for many years. We don't know how many sealed tray-cases still exist. I highly doubt many remain, also it will be unlikely to witness a "black-swamp" find of unopened because the cases are too bulky (these aren't hidden in attics) and people understood the value of older cards by this time. So the idea behind the price is that some whale determines that this case may be one of the last remaining intact cases in existence. The fact that even finding individuals trays is becoming very difficult leads to an uncertain ceiling on price. Interestingly, if it were a 1978 or 1977 for that matter - 29K might not be out of line.
29K is too much for me for this case as well, if I didn't blow my budget on Dave's 1973 Topps #1 setbreak

I probably would put in a strong offer though.

grote15 · October 22, 2013 10:07AM

Henry, if that were a sealed 192-count case of 78 trays, 29K would be too low! For a 192-count sealed case of 77 trays? 50k easy.

MintMoondog · October 22, 2013 10:18AM

<< Henry, if that were a sealed 192-count case of 78 trays, 29K would be too low! For a 192-count sealed case of 77 trays? 50k easy. >>

Thanks Tim, but the important question is whether any 1978 or 1977 sealed tray cases even exist? I guess they might be in some person's collection but I suspect that only a few if any remain.
Any idea? Therefore, what is the premium to have one of the last remaining sealed tray cases? Just a thought. In that regard, I don't find the 29K extraordinary.

mygotta · October 22, 2013 10:32AM

<< 

<< It's only equivalent to about 5 boxes. I think $5000 would be a more reasonable price, despite the rarity of the box. I would think, then, $10,000 would be max. But even then, it seems too much. >>

I don't think your math is right. 3 packs per tray x 192 trays is 576 packs. That works out to 16 boxes. But of course, they are trays and have a premium way above a raw box price. >>

Oh you are right, I was counting 192 packs, not multiplying it by 3. Still. Assuming $1000 a box, thats about $16,000. Still pricey, but nice item regardless.

grote15 · October 22, 2013 10:41AM

<< 

<< Henry, if that were a sealed 192-count case of 78 trays, 29K would be too low! For a 192-count sealed case of 77 trays? 50k easy. >>

Thanks Tim, but the important question is whether any 1978 or 1977 sealed tray cases even exist? I guess they might be in some person's collection but I suspect that only a few if any remain.
Any idea? Therefore, what is the premium to have one of the last remaining sealed tray cases? Just a thought. In that regard, I don't find the 29K extraordinary. >>

Nice 77 trays have become ao hard to find (Probstein sold one on ebay that was very nice a while back for $338 iirc) that the thought of a sealed case of 192 trays even coming up for sale is almost overwheling, lol..I have never even seen more than a few available for sale at any given time, either on ebay or at an AH. Those are trays you would never want to even consider opening!

jmaciu · October 22, 2013 11:03AM

I would like to have just one 1977 wax tray, let alone a whole case. I think the 1977 wax packaging is really attractive.

Big80s · October 22, 2013 11:57AM

<< Those are trays you would never want to even consider opening! >>

I would rip that case open so fast! And would immediately sob after realizing 8 out of 9 of my Ozzie's are OC.

Baez578 · October 22, 2013 12:14PM

Way too much IMO

grote15 · October 22, 2013 2:58PM

Speaking of 79 wax tray boxes, the case I have consists of two 24 count boxes for a total of 48 trays in the case, which is how I've seen wax tray cases from 1979 packaged in the past. The one up for sale now is one much larger case of 192 trays in one unit, exactly 4x the quantity of trays in the case pictured below, and similar to the one BBCE got in recently, so it looks like Topps packaged wax trays in at least two different methods and case sizes back then. Perhaps the 192-count case was for larger retail locations at the time.

Ripken · October 23, 2013 4:53AM

This type of case was sold to grocery stores and the like for display. You had to build the outer display and the trays fit into (I think) about 8 different sections below the giant logo at the top of the display. It would actually be a cool display item if you didn't care about the value lost by opening it.

I ordered a second wax case in '79 and the dealer must have been sold out because this is what he sent me. Of course, over the next 5-7 years, I sold, opened or traded them off partly because it was just an odd item to store and kind of got in the way of the other stuff I had. Not sure whether to laugh or cry at this price.

1all · October 23, 2013 6:47AM

Wow, the same seller has an *empty* 1987 Fleer basketball wax case + 12 *empty* wax boxes up for sale for $1400.00. I'm not into Fleer Basketball but I'm not sure I like this idea so much. All that's missing is a roll of vintage packing tape.

LINK

-Doug

grote15 · October 23, 2013 6:52AM

<< Wow, the same seller has an *empty* 1987 Fleer basketball wax case + 12 *empty* wax boxes up for sale for $1400.00. I'm not into Fleer Basketball but I'm not sure I like this idea so much. All that's missing is a roll of vintage packing tape.

LINK

-Doug >>

At least the wrappers and gum aren't included.

1all · October 23, 2013 6:56AM

<< At least the wrappers and gum aren't included.

>>

Would that even be necessary? Sadly, 12 boxes worth of 1988 topps baseball wax will probably end up in there.

sayheykid54 · October 23, 2013 7:00AM

Way to much money being paid for 1979 Topps cards. I currently have 10 plus 1979 complete sets and have no interest in even looking at them.

I just don't understand the high prices being paid for the late 1970's cards.

aconte · October 23, 2013 7:04AM

<< Way to much money being paid for 1979 Topps cards. I currently have 10 plus 1979 complete sets and have no interest in even looking at them.

I just don't understand the high prices being paid for the late 1970's cards. >>

In this case, the price is for unopened product.

Ten plus 1979 complete sets are not the same as unopened wax trays.....unfortunately....

aconte

sayheykid54 · October 23, 2013 7:25AM

IMO the contents of the trays have very little to get excited about.

To each is own.

grote15 · October 23, 2013 7:29AM

<< IMO the contents of the trays have very little to get excited about.

To each is own. >>

For someone with little appreciation for unopened material, you seem never to miss an opportunity to post about it in a derogatory manner.

MintMoondog · October 23, 2013 7:55AM

<< IMO the contents of the trays have very little to get excited about.

To each is own. >>

Well stated Tim,
BTW I assure you that the reason you don't have any interest in looking at your 10 sets of 1979 is that you know the cards are all horribly centered, have corner dings because of the paper tissue stock and the Ozzies are all O/C 90/10 or worse. Otherwise, you wouldn't be so stupid as not to cash in on your "goldmine" and sell them off to us Kool-Aid drinkers. I also assure you that it will be easier to build a complete vintage set than it will be to complete a 1975 mini set in PSA 9 or a 1971 in 8.5. It took me 7 years to complete my 1977 set as 20-30% of the cards are very hard to find in 9s.

ReggieCleveland · October 23, 2013 8:16AM

<< Way to much money being paid for 1979 Topps cards. I currently have 10 plus 1979 complete sets and have no interest in even looking at them.

I just don't understand the high prices being paid for the late 1970's cards. >>

That's like saying a 1953 salesman sample from Topps shouldn't be worth anything because the three players depicted aren't in the HOF.

spazzy · October 23, 2013 8:46AM

How much would a sealed 78 or 79 rack case go for now? I have not seen one advertised in a while.

pjb103183 · October 23, 2013 9:18AM

would someone please explain to me how to post pictures on here....i pulled a beautiful ozzie smith from a 79 rack pack purchased from steve about 3 years ago(for $30, lol)....it is so mint in every way aside from there being a slight tilt to the centering....ive seen other 9's with this same tilt, so im holding onto hope this will grade a 9...id love to get other members opinions on this before attempting to submit to psa(ive never submitted before)...thanks!

vols1 · October 23, 2013 11:29AM

<< would someone please explain to me how to post pictures on here....i pulled a beautiful ozzie smith from a 79 rack pack purchased from steve about 3 years ago(for $30, lol)....it is so mint in every way aside from there being a slight tilt to the centering....ive seen other 9's with this same tilt, so im holding onto hope this will grade a 9...id love to get other members opinions on this before attempting to submit to psa(ive never submitted before)...thanks! >>

1.upload to web on a free site, like tinypic.com
2.press the 'image' button to post the link here

1all · October 23, 2013 11:30AM

<< would someone please explain to me how to post pictures on here....i pulled a beautiful ozzie smith from a 79 rack pack purchased from steve about 3 years ago(for $30, lol)....it is so mint in every way aside from there being a slight tilt to the centering....ive seen other 9's with this same tilt, so im holding onto hope this will grade a 9...id love to get other members opinions on this before attempting to submit to psa(ive never submitted before)...thanks! >>

The easiest way is to open an account with Photobucket. Here's a thread from a couple years ago that has some screenshots. Photobucket's site has changed a little since then but the concept is the same:

Link

-Doug

DCanfield · October 23, 2013 11:36AM

<< would someone please explain to me how to post pictures on here....i pulled a beautiful ozzie smith from a 79 rack pack purchased from steve about 3 years ago(for $30, lol)....it is so mint in every way aside from there being a slight tilt to the centering....ive seen other 9's with this same tilt, so im holding onto hope this will grade a 9...id love to get other members opinions on this before attempting to submit to psa(ive never submitted before)...thanks! >>

LINK

DCanfield · October 23, 2013 11:37AM

<< 

<< would someone please explain to me how to post pictures on here....i pulled a beautiful ozzie smith from a 79 rack pack purchased from steve about 3 years ago(for $30, lol)....it is so mint in every way aside from there being a slight tilt to the centering....ive seen other 9's with this same tilt, so im holding onto hope this will grade a 9...id love to get other members opinions on this before attempting to submit to psa(ive never submitted before)...thanks! >>

The easiest way is to open an account with Photobucket. Here's a thread from a couple years ago that has some screenshots. Photobucket's site has changed a little since then but the concept is the same:

Link

-Doug >>

Looks like one Doug beat the other!

GDM67 · October 23, 2013 2:19PM

<< To each is own. >>

Right-o, guv'nor!

$29000 1979 wax tray case

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