<< <i>In the above picture, Allen Craig hasn't even tripped yet. He is only getting up from sliding. When Craig trips, the umpire is looking right at the play. The home plate umpire was as well. That picture at that instant is irrelevant. >>
It's after Craig got up and was heading home, the split second before he tripped outside of the baseline. You can say it's irrelevant but it still doesn't address what rule is specific to that situation. If someone did cite a specific rule, my apologies, but everything I've read indicates vagueness and it being a judgement call.
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<< <i>Pretty convenient to take the snapshot that you wanted....if you took a frame by frame over time you can see the umpire looking before looking away...... >>
It has nothing to do with convenience. Do you have another angle that shows Craig running out of the base path and the ump looking at the play as it unfolded?
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<< <i>In the above picture, Allen Craig hasn't even tripped yet. He is only getting up from sliding. When Craig trips, the umpire is looking right at the play. The home plate umpire was as well. That picture at that instant is irrelevant. >>
It's after Craig got up and was heading home, the split second before he tripped outside of the baseline. You can say it's irrelevant but it still doesn't address what rule is specific to that situation. If someone did cite a specific rule, my apologies, but everything I've read indicates vagueness and it being a judgement call.
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<< <i>Pretty convenient to take the snapshot that you wanted....if you took a frame by frame over time you can see the umpire looking before looking away...... >>
It has nothing to do with convenience. Do you have another angle that shows Craig running out of the base path and the ump looking at the play as it unfolded? >>
I don't have a picture, but it is on my dvr. The instant after the above picture was taken, Jim Joyce turned to see that Allen Craig was tripped. I only say that this picture is irrelevant because the trip had not yet occurred. In other words, it doesn't matter that Jim Joyce wasn't looking at Craig at that exact instant. It is only relevant that he was looking at him being tripped. And he was looking when he was tripped.
That picture and the animated gif I posted show the 3rd base ump seeing Craig in the act of tripping. I am not disputing that. I'm asking if it's a judgement call or if there's a rule that specifically addresses that set of circumstances.
If it's the former, the 3rd base ump did not see the play in its entirety since he does a double take between the players at 3rd and the ball's direction. However, it wouldn't matter since the ruling would be based upon his judgement. If it's the latter, I've only seen interpretations/examples of two rules essentially being meshed into one, rather than Rule X applies to this situation.
I'll say it again: With the series being tied up again, it's a moot point. However, if there isn't a rule that specifically addresses this circumstance, MLB should discuss it during the off-season.
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<<With the series being tied up again, it's a moot point.>>>
What does the status of the series have to do with the argument.
In any event, the rule, as it is currently written, was interpreted correctly. However, with the advent of instant replay next year, I think there is the opportunity to modify it.
<< <i>Gotcha. It is my understanding that it is a judgement call. However, the example given in the rule book describes us play almost to a "T". >>
I agree but 'almost' is the key word. This much uncertainty has a "Tuck Rule"-ish feel to it. FTR, I'm not saying he made the wrong call but rather, the process of how it was decided and explained doesn't seem right. Know what I mean?
<< <i>What does the status of the series have to do with the argument. >>
IMO, previous games no longer matter and it's now a best of 3 series with the BoSox having home field advantage.
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I have yet to see reputable people who are really arguing the call (some may not entirely like the rule) besides a few supporters of the Red Sox. It was important for Craig to keep running however. Since it was a close play at the plate it is pretty fair to say he would have been safe at the plate without being impeded at third. If he was out by a mile, the umpire could have called him out and said whatever happened at third had no bearing on the play at the plate......I think I read where Miguel Tejada tried to get an obstruction call and was called out despite there being some type of obstruction (not the difference between him scoring so the ump called him out).
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Even with the umps going out of their way to give the Cardinals the win, the Sox still take it. I am absolutely loving the Cardinals' fans on twitter losing their minds. Classic!
<< <i>Even with the umps going out of their way to give the Cardinals the win, the Sox still take it. I am absolutely loving the Cardinals' fans on twitter losing their minds. Classic! >>
Curious...how exactly were the umps "going out of their way to give the Cardinals the win"?
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<< <i>In the above picture, Allen Craig hasn't even tripped yet. He is only getting up from sliding. When Craig trips, the umpire is looking right at the play. The home plate umpire was as well. That picture at that instant is irrelevant. >>
It's after Craig got up and was heading home, the split second before he tripped outside of the baseline. You can say it's irrelevant but it still doesn't address what rule is specific to that situation. If someone did cite a specific rule, my apologies, but everything I've read indicates vagueness and it being a judgement call.
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<< <i>Pretty convenient to take the snapshot that you wanted....if you took a frame by frame over time you can see the umpire looking before looking away...... >>
It has nothing to do with convenience. Do you have another angle that shows Craig running out of the base path and the ump looking at the play as it unfolded?
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<< <i>In the above picture, Allen Craig hasn't even tripped yet. He is only getting up from sliding. When Craig trips, the umpire is looking right at the play. The home plate umpire was as well. That picture at that instant is irrelevant. >>
It's after Craig got up and was heading home, the split second before he tripped outside of the baseline. You can say it's irrelevant but it still doesn't address what rule is specific to that situation. If someone did cite a specific rule, my apologies, but everything I've read indicates vagueness and it being a judgement call.
edited to add:
<< <i>Pretty convenient to take the snapshot that you wanted....if you took a frame by frame over time you can see the umpire looking before looking away...... >>
It has nothing to do with convenience. Do you have another angle that shows Craig running out of the base path and the ump looking at the play as it unfolded? >>
I don't have a picture, but it is on my dvr. The instant after the above picture was taken, Jim Joyce turned to see that Allen Craig was tripped. I only say that this picture is irrelevant because the trip had not yet occurred. In other words, it doesn't matter that Jim Joyce wasn't looking at Craig at that exact instant. It is only relevant that he was looking at him being tripped. And he was looking when he was tripped.
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If it's the former, the 3rd base ump did not see the play in its entirety since he does a double take between the players at 3rd and the ball's direction. However, it wouldn't matter since the ruling would be based upon his judgement. If it's the latter, I've only seen interpretations/examples of two rules essentially being meshed into one, rather than Rule X applies to this situation.
I'll say it again: With the series being tied up again, it's a moot point. However, if there isn't a rule that specifically addresses this circumstance, MLB should discuss it during the off-season.
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What does the status of the series have to do with the argument.
In any event, the rule, as it is currently written, was interpreted correctly. However, with the advent of instant replay next year, I think there is the opportunity to modify it.
<< <i>Gotcha. It is my understanding that it is a judgement call. However, the example given in the rule book describes us play almost to a "T". >>
I agree but 'almost' is the key word. This much uncertainty has a "Tuck Rule"-ish feel to it. FTR, I'm not saying he made the wrong call but rather, the process of how it was decided and explained doesn't seem right. Know what I mean?
<< <i>What does the status of the series have to do with the argument. >>
IMO, previous games no longer matter and it's now a best of 3 series with the BoSox having home field advantage.
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<< <i>Even with the umps going out of their way to give the Cardinals the win, the Sox still take it. I am absolutely loving the Cardinals' fans on twitter losing their minds. Classic! >>
Curious...how exactly were the umps "going out of their way to give the Cardinals the win"?
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