Even without the chopmarks I don't see this as uncirculated...
But then again I don't understand how a T$1 placed on an anvil and struck with a hammer and punch can still be considered gradable beyond just net details.
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Hard to see a 62 there but it is not in hand, and people talk about AU62 and MS58 - so what is this? How much of the "wear" is from striking the marks? Obviously the hand area has been smashed. Good amount of luster on the Rev; Obv. looks a bit scrubbed. Market/net grading? Something else? Wonder what TDN might say?
The grade is most likely fitting for the coin, hard to say definitely about the obverse though.
I think Stack's Bowers deserves a gold star for trying with the variety designation since they do a pretty good job of not mixing up the obverse and reverse die styles.
<< <i>But then again I don't understand how a T$1 placed on an anvil and struck with a hammer and punch can still be considered gradable beyond just net details. >>
I agree with this!
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I've never understood how purposeful post mint damage, regardless of intent, can not be post mint damage. What is the difference between chop marks and initials on a 1795 dollar?
<< <i>I've never understood how purposeful post mint damage, regardless of intent, can not be post mint damage. What is the difference between chop marks and initials on a 1795 dollar?
EC >>
Intent and history (not saying chops, or counterstamps, are good or bad). It can make something more interesting. Heck, with questions like these, one could ask how one could be MS at all as it bears a stamped marking indicating circulation. But at second glance... To some it is another layer of cake to enjoy. To others it is clearly undesirable - like nearly everything else
Eric
PS - it this 1795 dollar were initialed "G.W. Dec 8" I might keep it
I have seen chopmarked Trade Dollars with no signs of circulation on them, but I never called one better than MS-60.
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<< <i>But then again I don't understand how a T$1 placed on an anvil and struck with a hammer and punch can still be considered gradable beyond just net details. >>
Chopmarks were a standard part of circulation and being used as currency. Collectors often like to imagine the time period when coins were being used and how wear occured. Chopmarks helps highlight that.
As for the 62 grade, it could be market graded similar to non-chopmarked coins.
<< <i>But then again I don't understand how a T$1 placed on an anvil and struck with a hammer and punch can still be considered gradable beyond just net details. >>
Chopmarks were a standard part of circulation and being used as currency. Collectors often like to imagine the time period when coins were being used and how wear occured. Chopmarks helps highlight that.
As for the 62 grade, it could be market graded similar to non-chopmarked coins. >>
I agree with this and would point out Chop Marked coins are not ever graded Problem Free (on purpose), they are graded Chop Mark which is a Details grade. I am not sure why people have a hard time with this.
Even the surfaces protruding from the reverse (opposite the chop pressure site) have full lustre. Certainly damage, but no wear whatsoever. A choice example of a coin with this kind of problem hidden, as it is, by the design
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But then again I don't understand how a T$1 placed on an anvil and struck with a hammer and punch can still be considered gradable beyond just net details.
Eric
I think Stack's Bowers deserves a gold star for trying with the variety designation since they do a pretty good job of not mixing up the obverse and reverse die styles.
<< <i>Strike doubling, right? >>
oh yeah.
i see tons of this stuff in dealers booths that either don't know or don't care, along with many s.d. rpms for many various series
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<< <i>But then again I don't understand how a T$1 placed on an anvil and struck with a hammer and punch can still be considered gradable beyond just net details. >>
I agree with this!
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EC
<< <i>I've never understood how purposeful post mint damage, regardless of intent, can not be post mint damage. What is the difference between chop marks and initials on a 1795 dollar?
EC >>
Intent and history (not saying chops, or counterstamps, are good or bad). It can make something more interesting. Heck, with questions like these, one could ask how one could be MS at all as it bears a stamped marking indicating circulation. But at second glance...
To some it is another layer of cake to enjoy. To others it is clearly undesirable - like nearly everything else
Eric
PS - it this 1795 dollar were initialed "G.W. Dec 8" I might keep it
TD
doubling. Not a DDR.
bob
<< <i>But then again I don't understand how a T$1 placed on an anvil and struck with a hammer and punch can still be considered gradable beyond just net details. >>
Chopmarks were a standard part of circulation and being used as currency. Collectors often like to imagine the time period when coins were being used and how wear occured. Chopmarks helps highlight that.
As for the 62 grade, it could be market graded similar to non-chopmarked coins.
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<< <i>But then again I don't understand how a T$1 placed on an anvil and struck with a hammer and punch can still be considered gradable beyond just net details. >>
Chopmarks were a standard part of circulation and being used as currency. Collectors often like to imagine the time period when coins were being used and how wear occured. Chopmarks helps highlight that.
As for the 62 grade, it could be market graded similar to non-chopmarked coins. >>
I agree with this and would point out Chop Marked coins are not ever graded Problem Free (on purpose), they are graded Chop Mark which is a Details grade. I am not sure why people have a hard time with this.
edited to add: shot 63 !