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Jinx86Jinx86 Posts: 3,710 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Cant wait to see it back in hand again! Now to wait for the other 18 coins I sent in with it on another submission.
Line # Item # Cert # PCGS No. CoinDate Denomination Variety Country Grade
1 1 28585197 9001 1884-CC $20 USA XF45



This will be my first purchase from my new job I started at the end of March. Ive not bought a single coin from here, I wanted to be very picky and get something that I truly loved to look at.

Part of an amazing gold collection. One of over 30 better date $20's that we bought from an estate. Not to mention the numerous other items.


Still getting the hang of my new camera(Cannon T4i) and pics became slightly pixelated when I resized them.
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  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,798 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I am going to grade that 45.

    Nice coin!
    My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132
  • lostincoinslostincoins Posts: 4,278 ✭
    Very nice I would want one also if I had the opportunity you do.
  • PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭
    Cool coin image
    40-45
  • BloodManBloodMan Posts: 1,835 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It is tough to tell from the images, but I would say XF45. It has a nice overall look, but the wear on the central observe devices will limit the grade.
  • indeetlibindeetlib Posts: 607 ✭✭
    AU50
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  • indeetlibindeetlib Posts: 607 ✭✭
    ...and sweet coin!
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  • stevebensteveben Posts: 4,620 ✭✭✭✭✭
    45+
  • rheddenrhedden Posts: 6,630 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A piece of CC gold that isn't "chewed up" with contact marks and coin edge marks.... wow. Even the Uncs. usually look like rats chewed on them.

  • Jinx86Jinx86 Posts: 3,710 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The grade I gave it was XF45. I hope to be sending it off to our hosts soon to confirm. I really love the look of this piece, great original surfaces with no huge marks. I see too many $20 golds where someone has taken even a soap and water cleaning to it and just looks washed out to me even though its market acceptable I wont buy one.
  • ebizgobroebizgobro Posts: 595 ✭✭✭
    Nice coin. My guess is 45.
  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,368 ✭✭✭✭✭
    tough call from the image- its a nice image its just that I am having trouble with the surfaces and lustre. 45 seems reasonable short of seeing it in hand

    Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.

  • 7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,553 ✭✭✭✭✭
    EF40, almost 45. Nice "crusty" piece!
    Love that Milled British (1830-1960)
    Well, just Love coins, period.
  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Still getting the hang of my new camera(Cannon T4i) and pics became slightly pixelated when I resized them. >>



    one of the first things you want to do is to set the resolution to maximum and also ensure your camera mode is set to macro.
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  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 28,569 ✭✭✭✭✭
    it looks like an xf 45 to me by the pics. nice coin image
  • maibockaddictmaibockaddict Posts: 1,759 ✭
    From those pics it looks xf45 but could see a 40 or 50 so I will say somewhere in the 40-50 range.
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  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    55+
    "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
  • s4nys4ny Posts: 1,571 ✭✭✭
    XF45, possibly AU50.
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would offer XF45....nice CC gold...Cheers, RickO
  • DDRDDR Posts: 1,596 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Very handsome coin! I'll grade it a bit more generously than most here, AU-53.
    David
    Complete Set of Chopmarked Trade Dollars
    Carson City Silver Dollars Complete 1870-1893http://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/showcase.aspx?sc=2722"
  • NicNic Posts: 3,386 ✭✭✭✭✭
    50. Neat coin. Do they have an 1866?

    K

    My 1866 Philly Mint Set

  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm gonna rock the boat and go with VF35.
    To Err Is Human.... To Collect Err's Is Just Too Much Darn Tootin Fun!
  • BustCudsBustCuds Posts: 1,096 ✭✭✭

    A very nice XF...not the usual marked-up CC image
  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>55+ >>



    Hey ColonelJessup, I bought a pair of folding opera glasses with a built in compass 5 years ago on the bst from member tydye on a fluke...

    Please PM me your shipping address! imageimage
    To Err Is Human.... To Collect Err's Is Just Too Much Darn Tootin Fun!
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,798 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I'm gonna rock the boat and go with VF35. >>


    Unless it gets net graded, I see no way that coin is in a VF holder.

    OTOH, here's my XF-45:

    image
    My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132
  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I'm gonna rock the boat and go with VF35. >>


    Unless it gets net graded, I see no way that coin is in a VF holder.

    OTOH, here's my XF-45:

    image >>



    RYK, Your XF45 has far more meat left on the bone and better surfaces.
    To Err Is Human.... To Collect Err's Is Just Too Much Darn Tootin Fun!
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,798 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>I'm gonna rock the boat and go with VF35. >>


    Unless it gets net graded, I see no way that coin is in a VF holder.

    OTOH, here's my XF-45:

    image >>



    RYK, Your XF45 has far more meat left on the bone and better surfaces. >>


    Agree, my 45 is really a 55. image
    My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132
  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>I'm gonna rock the boat and go with VF35. >>


    Unless it gets net graded, I see no way that coin is in a VF holder.

    OTOH, here's my XF-45:

    image >>



    RYK, Your XF45 has far more meat left on the bone and better surfaces. >>


    Agree, my 45 is really a 55. image >>



    Maybe I should have left out the word far imageimageimage
    To Err Is Human.... To Collect Err's Is Just Too Much Darn Tootin Fun!
  • indeetlibindeetlib Posts: 607 ✭✭


    << <i>OTOH, here's my XF-45:

    image >>



    Wow, when was that graded XF?? 1890?? image
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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,368 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It interesting to see threads such as this because it clearly illustrates the subjective component associated with grading that seems to have a blind eye to the numismatic community.

    Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.

  • indeetlibindeetlib Posts: 607 ✭✭


    << <i>It interesting to see threads such as this because it clearly illustrates the subjective component associated with grading that seems to have a blind eye to the numismatic community. >>



    Grading is absolutely subjective! Always has been, always will be. That's what makes it fun in my opinion image Does anybody think it isn't subjective?

    But I agree, the subjective aspect is not talked about enough. We more often like to pretend it's a "science" that we can be "experts" in. I like to think of it more as an art that you can become more knowledgable and experienced in, but you can never really master it completely.
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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,368 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well...

    It seems that there are folks who seem to lost on this question.

    Yes... grading is subjective

    Yes... some opinions are better than others

    Grading is not a math problem with absolute answers

    Unfortunately, it is treated like a math problem by collectors as if there is some quantitative formula that is absolute. That is simply not how grading works and computer grading will not change that.

    Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.

  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,798 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Grading is an opinion, and opinions are subject to change, with change of time, mood and circumstances (and whatever). It is far from an absolute.

    Mastery of grading includes the realization that you can look at a coin one day and declare that it grades "X" and another day declare the same coin grades "Y" and be satisfied that you are:
    1. Not going crazy
    2. Not wrong
    3. At peace with both decisions and are open to the possibility that a third answer may also be acceptable. image
    My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132
  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,368 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Agreed

    Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.

  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So we've already determined that grading is subjective on it's own... Now take into account that we try to do it here daily based on a two dimensional photo. If someone posted a photograph of a freshly painted wall and asked if you can point out imperfections such as waves in the plaster, sanded sparkle, roller or brush marks we'd all be dumbfounded. That's why these things are just called guess the grade as although images are fine to take a stab at there's nothing like actually seeing it in hand.
    To Err Is Human.... To Collect Err's Is Just Too Much Darn Tootin Fun!
  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>55+ >>



    Hey ColonelJessup, I bought a pair of folding opera glasses with a built in compass 5 years ago on the bst from member tydye on a fluke...

    Please PM me your shipping address! imageimage >>



    Are they rose-colored glasses? No? I'll keep my Eschenbach image

    GPS technology is now the standard. Google glasses next month. There could already be an app for that. If you can convince Chumlee the compass feature means it's an antique then, and only then, have him drop ship it to meimage

    Out of respect and esteem for your (still-ill-)informed) abuse I will lower my grade to 53+ and still eat the lunch of anyone who will not crack it from a 45 holder, whatever a TPG might say this time through the system. And if it doesn't work after two or three tries I'll still get over 50 money for it holdered or raw It's got tons of frost and is original. If the color is so off (overly orange? pixilated ? graininess?) that the worn areas are not distracting, maybe Superb Gem 45++

    This is not ego. There are beyond scores of dealers, some big, some small, who see $20's like this and think like this.

    4a) My most recently previous sig-line was "Often wrong, never in doubtimage" Should I go back to it?

    4b) Or I should restore my old old sig-line "Partially blind former world-class grader - ..."

    4c) or go directly into Rodney Dangerfield mode image



    5) I can't grade from pictures. Recent experiences here have demonstrated the abject truth of this statement. image

    I like raw coins because, while eye appeal is tougher to determine, Braille is an excellent system for interpreting wear. Have you seen my set of unc Bust $1's (no key dates)?. Custom holder with colorful examples of fingerprints in each of the 12 clock positions.

    The above brought to you by "It's been a long boring Sunday morning"
    "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
  • Jinx86Jinx86 Posts: 3,710 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Very happy with the grade still would be keeping it if it was a 40, Would have been a bit shocked if it went AU50.
  • magikbillymagikbilly Posts: 6,780 ✭


    << <i>
    I like raw coins because, while eye appeal is tougher to determine, Braille is an excellent system for interpreting wear. >>

    - Col. Jessup


    ROTFL image And you know when you're done how? Love it. How often has your olfactory sense saved you or come into play (seriously)?

    Eric

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