<< <i>I suppose for some unexplainable reason, there is some history on this board against positive commenters if we talk about unopened, but it is impossible to hype a Mantle or an Aaron card because those are more legitimate? >>
I think one of the reasons there's such disparity amongst comments is that much of the unopened discussion is about just that, "unopened." It's a pretty broad spectrum to discuss, which is one of the things I take exception to. It's like pointing to a Mantle or Aaron card and saying "baseball cards" are going through the roof. Each issue, each item, has its own market, much like how each Mantle card or each Aaron card has its own market. There are set intricacies and nuances that cause things to increase or decrease. Someone can start a thread about a 1975 Topps box and eventually there will be comments about a mid-80s product. "Unopened" seems to get all lumped together and that's a massive mistake.
Like you mentioned earlier, two people can view the exact same page of information and interpret it entirely differently. Perhaps you're guilty of this, perhaps I am. But when I look at this board in a broad spectrum I don't see a history of people against positive unopened commenters. In fact, I think it's quite the opposite. But if everyone is talking something up and someone presents an opposing viewpoint then I guess that viewpoint tends to stick out and be more noticeable.
The unfortunate part of all this is that I see so few threads created asking about the detection and education about unopened and instead just threads about acquisition. I hope everyone collects whatever it is that makes them happy and does it within a budget they can handle but judging by the amount of stuff that gets purchased and then soon after put up for sale on B/S/T I think folks are either 1.) trying to take advantage of the "energy" to turn a profit or 2.) buying outside their means and then having to sell to cover their arse.
As someone who rips religiously and has zero interest in speculation, I would offer my own experience. I have ripped dozens and dozens of cases of what was considered junk and semi junk the last few years, particularly all of the 81-86 fleer and 81-86 donruss that I can get my hands on. All the OPC and Leaf I can find for the period as well. I used to find 81 fleer vending cases all day long at 200 or less. I haven't seen one in a year. Fleer set cases (86 and 87) arent seen often at all anymore. Donruss set cases, almost never. An 85 sold in a day on BBCE and an 84 sold for nice money recently. I haven't seen an 87 leaf case in months on end at any price (I did rip a half dozen over the last two years).
I think this stuff all falls into the period folks here are calling a bubble with a horde, but I am telling you as someone who doesn't necessarily look at price when I buy, I am not seeing it and haven't for the last year~. So, if someone is sitting on 50 cases of early 80s fleer, PM me, I'll likely take it all.
<< <i>I'll apologize after I get done drinking my Kool-Aid >>
The bottom line wise arse is at the end of the day you have a collection of mass produced 1978-1979 cards. As a collector I prefer to collect rarer and more historically significant items and cards.
Again, it's CRAZY because your investing in common late 1970's cards. KEEP DRINKING THAT KOOL-AID!!!
<< <i>I'll apologize after I get done drinking my Kool-Aid >>
The bottom line wise arse is at the end of the day you have a collection of mass produced 1978-1979 cards. As a collector I prefer to collect rarer and more historically significant items and cards.
Again, it's CRAZY because your investing in common late 1970's cards. KEEP DRINKING THAT KOOL-AID!!! >>
Mintmoondog,
After reading a post like this, it is wise to conclude not to go nuts trying to explain yourself or write lengthy posts on your take on unopened. We can just see guys like say hey don't understand the significance of unopened. That and the fact the way he collects is the "right" way and we suck.
I'll enjoy my collection and drink the koolaid too.
What I find mildly interesting is that there are a number of people who don't even collect unopened product yet feel qualified to make broad assessments on the validity (or lack thereof) of the unopened market, while insisting that their method of collecting is somehow more viable. I don't recall ever seeing unopened collectors venturing into threads about other avenues of collecting to denigrate those collectors while touting their own collecting interests. I think as collectors we should remind ourselves that rising values in any aspect of the hobby are beneficial to everyone.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>What I find mildly interesting is that there are a number of people who don't even collect unopened product yet feel qualified to make broad assessments on the validity (or lack thereof) of the unopened market, while insisting that their method of collecting is somehow more viable. I don't recall ever seeing unopened collectors venturing into threads about other avenues of collecting to denigrate those collectors while touting their own collecting interests. I think as collectors we should remind ourselves that rising values in any aspect of the hobby are beneficial to everyone. >>
Tim,
Don't you remember me constantly posting about the significance of the R302 set and how I may attempt to buy all the high grade and my venture in to the world of caramel cards from the pre-war era and how caramelly good they are even though prices have begun to drop from the speculation of the speculators. I find it utterly unacceptable that people were trying to sell these cards on ebay right after the big find in Louisiana and at Black Swamp. Yes, the same swamp the may have contained crates of 52 Topps dumped by Mr. Berger. Sigh....I mean Sy.....
I'll bring MattyC into this. He built an amazing 75 mini set that was the second or third 9.0 set. A huge achievement that I enjoyed helping him with. One day he made the decision that he would rather have 10 iconic, monster, cards than a registry set. I respected his set when he had it, and I respect his decision so much that I have thought about doing it myself.
There is NO right and wrong way to collect. Just enjoy what you do.
Take the possibility of a future complete and total US economic collapse out of the picture. I mean that can't possibly happen. Forget it! Take some future unforeseen scandal that rocks this niche of the hobby off the table and take fraud out of the picture. Assume its all real and good and will continue to be in the future. I think this is all a game of hot potato. I have said this a few times, long term WHO are the buyers going to be? In 20+ years from now who will be buying your collections when you go to cash out. We can all joke about I am taking them to the grave with me. Joke all you want... Its not happening. Joke all you want about it being your wife or kids problem.... It will probably be something they would rather not have to deal with in the majority of circumstances .
Dare I be sacrilege, I can see 20+ years into the futures there being more demand for buyers waxing (pun intended) nostalgic and being more interested in regaining their Garbage Pail Kids and Pokemon collections then looking to by a 1967 Mickey Mantle Card or a 197X wax pack. In the future I can more see a dad showing the funny pictures on his old Garbage Pail Kids and pokemon cards to his kid and sharing some laughs rather then saying look Johnny here is my ozzie smith rookie card and this is my robin yount RC. Here's my 1973 series X wax pack isn't the wrapper cool? Never open this Johnny, there is probably OC crap in it and those that aren't OC are probably stained with the gum they used to put in the packs or worse. You must always keep it closed! Isn't this fun Johnny!
I would not want to be holding the potato when/if that times come. I tell people buy EVERYTHING you enjoy with money you don't need for your retirement or emergency fund and the discussion is completely moot. If you are buying cardboard at the expense of those two things you are courting personal economic disaster. Collect for personal satisfaction and not to impress knuckleheads like me on the internet. Long term, collect and hoard for fun with money you don't give a rip (pun intended) about. If the bottom falls out be very happy ripping and make sure you have no regrets in doing so. If your still holding when you go to cash out and there is still a market for it.... sell the hot potato to someone else and take the money and consider yourself lucky you didn't get stuck holding when the music stops.
Sorry for the tangent and run on sentences and not having a stupid dumb photo bomb to leave with it!
Disclosure: I practice what I preach in regard to collecting. I collect strictly for fun. If there is an auction I am bidding on I am NEVER the under-bidder. I don't care paying ridiculous prices for things I want. Once they are no longer fun, I could care less what the worth is, I sell them for whatever the market is at the time and don't give a rip about what I get for them. Whatever I get back is a bonus to me. Laugh all you want. I do it only for fun. I don't drink, I don't smoke, I live modestly and WELL below my means. I over pay for cards if I have to in lieu of cigarettes and booze. If I take a loss on a card it comes out in the wash. Cards are my vice. Happy FUN collecting!
I don't know mrsnuffpagus sounds to me like you have been smoking something and it would be nice if you share that stuff with us instead of all that mambo jumbo.
<< <i>I don't know mrsnuffpagus sounds to me like you have been smoking something and it would be nice if you share that stuff with us instead of all that mambo jumbo. >>
Sorry, I don't smoke anything either legal or illegal or semi legal in certain state. However, Snuffy does indulge in some prescription Xanax from time to time and never minds sharing with a friend in need
You don't speak Snuffleupagia? This is why I typically only post in stupid silly pictures. I tend to ramble. I will translate for you. Don't speculate on cardboard with money you can't afford to burn and you can never get hurt! Collect for fun!
I disagree completely on the Pokemon/Garbage Pail Kids thought. I understand it, but think it is way off. We did wonder 20 years ago who would collect today. Topps had just come out with Finest to ruin the hobby and start the "hit" craze, with cards cost upwards of $10 a pack.
Kids 20 years from today wont know a garbage pail kid from a watermelon and wont have 150 years of history to look back on. Forget cards for a moment and just stick to American culture. Sure, football is #1, for a number of reasons, but baseball remains huge. My 3 year old can't swing the bat often enough in the yard. Baseball remains magnetic and enduring, so yeah, barring hobby or economy meltdowns, there will be a market of some kind for cards in 20 years.
<< <i>I disagree completely on the Pokemon/Garbage Pail Kids thought. I understand it, but think it is way off. We did wonder 20 years ago who would collect today. Topps had just come out with Finest to ruin the hobby and start the "hit" craze, with cards cost upwards of $10 a pack.
Kids 20 years from today wont know a garbage pail kid from a watermelon and wont have 150 years of history to look back on. Forget cards for a moment and just stick to American culture. Sure, football is #1, for a number of reasons, but baseball remains huge. My 3 year old can't swing the bat often enough in the yard. Baseball remains magnetic and enduring, so yeah, barring hobby or economy meltdowns, there will be a market of some kind for cards in 20 years. >>
I used the Garbage Pail/Pokemon example more as a juxtaposition to highlight that I don't think there will be as many buyers for this stuff then as there is now. I think we are in a sweet spot for this stuff. People trying to regain some nostalgia with plenty of money to burn, and plenty of people who don't, trying to keep up with the people with money to burn. I 100% agree with you that there will be 'a market of some kind' in 20 years. But those people will have a totally different reference point for their nostalgia. If you are loading up the farm right now in anticipation of cashing in 20 years from now you better not be relying on the money for your retirement. Its a guessing game. Lets just hope you and I are around in 20 years to be able to discuss it without drooling all over ourselves. If we are, hit me up! I'll buy you the beverage of your choosing along with whatever food you select from holographic food sequencing replicator.
I began collecting only unopened in the mid '80s. I just loved the stuff. Though I have moved on to also collecting hi-grade registry sets, unopened is still my primary focus. In 20 years of collecting unopened these debates have raged since that time period.
None of this rhetoric is new. I mentioned before how former unopened collector Larry S--jerseyfive--who had amassed one of the more impressive unopened collections in the hobby--sold everything about 6 years ago thru Mile High. Search their past auctions to see what Larry had--well over 350 packs of vintage. Larry was convinced the bubble was gong to burst on unopened--it hasn't--and it won't. People purchased unopened before the advent of registry sets, and will continue to do so.
That's just my opinion--but I gotta go--I am thirsty and want to go drink some more koolaid.
For me, I was serious when I said that Finest ruined the hobby. Yes it was well along on its implosion, but with few exceptions, base cards stopped mattering and I left the hobby, deciding never to buy new again. I kept what I had, but lost all interest for quite a few years, caring only about 70s (and my soft spot for 84 donruss). To this day, I could care less about shiny. I bought and blasted a half case of 2012 mini because it struck a personal nerve, but that's it.
20 years from now, I will still love the 70s and even the 80s, but I wont give a rats butt about a find of unopened bowman chrome from 2011. Not sure many others will either, because base still wont matter and almost all the hits will be retired and worthless, with very few exceptions. Plus it will all still be mint/gem mint out of the pack...
<< <i>20 years from now, I will still love the 70s and even the 80s, but I wont give a rats butt about a find of unopened bowman chrome from 2011. Not sure many others will either, because base still wont matter and almost all the hits will be retired and worthless, with very few exceptions. Plus it will all still be mint/gem mint out of the pack... >>
I'm not familiar with the newer products but won't all this stuff be stuck together like much of the 90's unopened material?
If BBCE had 30 cases of 1975 Topps Minis sitting in the warehouse, do you really think Steve would announce that?
Or do you think he would dribble it out in a manner that would maximize profits? >>
I'll answer this by saying if I knew nothing else but just the statements you presented I would say he would dribble it out to maximize profits.
I'm going with the belief that Steve does not have at this time 30 cases of 1975 Topps mini. I don't think BBCE has access to 30 cases or any significant quantity. I don't think there was another large quanitiy outside of what REA auctioned off available of the Conlon collection or any other find (at this time) of 75 Mini.
When the find started to get sold off and BBCE was able to acquire some I was lucky to get some boxes. As he has sold out through the years the prices have gone up. I don't think they will keep going up at the rate we have seen.
So let me ask you something Maurice, why would BBCE be paying what they are paying for unopened mini wax and cello product right now if they would have 30 cases sitting in inventory? Why would BBCE be buying quantities much lower than multiple cases if there are 30 cases available to them? Is this some form of strategic business planning I am not aware of that is a staple for success and long term health of the unopened card business?
Keep in mind I do know where he's been able to acquire the recent unopened mini wax and cello product from.
Last question. Does it upset people to know that if BBCE has 30 cases of unopened mini product on hand that they would eventually sell out?
If Steve had any minis, let alone 30 cases, he would not have been out of them for the better part of a year. He clearly bought at least several cases pre national this year and it is possible they were not REA, but pre-REA, but I would think it extremely unlikely he had any at all previously. The fact that he jumped his buy price from 16k to 25k in one move supports that.
<< <i>The material is out there. Hundreds (if not thousands) of untampered boxes and cases from the 1970's and earlier are stashed away in collections. Just because no one is selling doesn't mean the boxes aren't out there. >>
<< <i>The material is out there. Hundreds (if not thousands) of untampered boxes and cases from the 1970's and earlier are stashed away in collections. Just because no one is selling doesn't mean the boxes aren't out there. >>
>>
Yup! a lot of people here in SoCal are hoarding much to it.
As long as the hobby stays healthy. The amount of cards in gem mint condition or even 9 s will be scarce for the demand. Look at the population reports. I think the bubble is a long ways away, I think the industry really adjusted itself well after eBay when everyone found out their cards were not scarce and there was a million of them for sale. The market at that point got dumped as supply was way to high for demand.
Only logical step was to differiate the condition of each card in order to create a proper market for high end value. The though of having the holy grail of a certain card is the ultimate prize for many collectors. Part of the hobby is the competition of it , being sports fans we all want to be number 1. The others who do it for nostalgia and do not care about condition well those are the amateur collector and the big league owners are a wealthy or a dealer one way or the other.
I'm glad about the grading system and population reports I think it keeps the industry financially healthy. As long as we continue to recruit children to the hobby there is no end in sight
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<< <i>I suppose for some unexplainable reason, there is some history on this board against positive commenters if we talk about unopened, but it is impossible to hype a Mantle or an Aaron card because those are more legitimate? >>
I think one of the reasons there's such disparity amongst comments is that much of the unopened discussion is about just that, "unopened." It's a pretty broad spectrum to discuss, which is one of the things I take exception to. It's like pointing to a Mantle or Aaron card and saying "baseball cards" are going through the roof. Each issue, each item, has its own market, much like how each Mantle card or each Aaron card has its own market. There are set intricacies and nuances that cause things to increase or decrease. Someone can start a thread about a 1975 Topps box and eventually there will be comments about a mid-80s product. "Unopened" seems to get all lumped together and that's a massive mistake.
Like you mentioned earlier, two people can view the exact same page of information and interpret it entirely differently. Perhaps you're guilty of this, perhaps I am. But when I look at this board in a broad spectrum I don't see a history of people against positive unopened commenters. In fact, I think it's quite the opposite. But if everyone is talking something up and someone presents an opposing viewpoint then I guess that viewpoint tends to stick out and be more noticeable.
The unfortunate part of all this is that I see so few threads created asking about the detection and education about unopened and instead just threads about acquisition. I hope everyone collects whatever it is that makes them happy and does it within a budget they can handle but judging by the amount of stuff that gets purchased and then soon after put up for sale on B/S/T I think folks are either 1.) trying to take advantage of the "energy" to turn a profit or 2.) buying outside their means and then having to sell to cover their arse.
I think this stuff all falls into the period folks here are calling a bubble with a horde, but I am telling you as someone who doesn't necessarily look at price when I buy, I am not seeing it and haven't for the last year~. So, if someone is sitting on 50 cases of early 80s fleer, PM me, I'll likely take it all.
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<< <i>I'll apologize after I get done drinking my Kool-Aid >>
The bottom line wise arse is at the end of the day you have a collection of mass produced 1978-1979 cards. As a collector I prefer to collect rarer and more historically significant items and cards.
Again, it's CRAZY because your investing in common late 1970's cards. KEEP DRINKING THAT KOOL-AID!!!
<< <i>
<< <i>I'll apologize after I get done drinking my Kool-Aid >>
The bottom line wise arse is at the end of the day you have a collection of mass produced 1978-1979 cards. As a collector I prefer to collect rarer and more historically significant items and cards.
Again, it's CRAZY because your investing in common late 1970's cards. KEEP DRINKING THAT KOOL-AID!!! >>
Mintmoondog,
After reading a post like this, it is wise to conclude not to go nuts trying to explain yourself or write lengthy posts on your take on unopened. We can just see guys like say hey don't understand
the significance of unopened. That and the fact the way he collects is the "right" way and we suck.
I'll enjoy my collection and drink the koolaid too.
aconte
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>What I find mildly interesting is that there are a number of people who don't even collect unopened product yet feel qualified to make broad assessments on the validity (or lack thereof) of the unopened market, while insisting that their method of collecting is somehow more viable. I don't recall ever seeing unopened collectors venturing into threads about other avenues of collecting to denigrate those collectors while touting their own collecting interests. I think as collectors we should remind ourselves that rising values in any aspect of the hobby are beneficial to everyone. >>
Tim,
Don't you remember me constantly posting about the significance of the R302 set and how I may attempt to buy all the high grade and my venture in to the world of caramel cards from the pre-war
era and how caramelly good they are even though prices have begun to drop from the speculation of the speculators. I find it utterly unacceptable that people were trying to sell these cards on ebay
right after the big find in Louisiana and at Black Swamp. Yes, the same swamp the may have contained crates of 52 Topps dumped by Mr. Berger. Sigh....I mean Sy.....
aconte
There is NO right and wrong way to collect. Just enjoy what you do.
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My Ebay Auctions
Dare I be sacrilege, I can see 20+ years into the futures there being more demand for buyers waxing (pun intended) nostalgic and being more interested in regaining their Garbage Pail Kids and Pokemon collections then looking to by a 1967 Mickey Mantle Card or a 197X wax pack. In the future I can more see a dad showing the funny pictures on his old Garbage Pail Kids and pokemon cards to his kid and sharing some laughs rather then saying look Johnny here is my ozzie smith rookie card and this is my robin yount RC. Here's my 1973 series X wax pack isn't the wrapper cool? Never open this Johnny, there is probably OC crap in it and those that aren't OC are probably stained with the gum they used to put in the packs or worse. You must always keep it closed! Isn't this fun Johnny!
I would not want to be holding the potato when/if that times come. I tell people buy EVERYTHING you enjoy with money you don't need for your retirement or emergency fund and the discussion is completely moot. If you are buying cardboard at the expense of those two things you are courting personal economic disaster. Collect for personal satisfaction and not to impress knuckleheads like me on the internet. Long term, collect and hoard for fun with money you don't give a rip (pun intended) about. If the bottom falls out be very happy ripping and make sure you have no regrets in doing so. If your still holding when you go to cash out and there is still a market for it.... sell the hot potato to someone else and take the money and consider yourself lucky you didn't get stuck holding when the music stops.
Sorry for the tangent and run on sentences and not having a stupid dumb photo bomb to leave with it!
Disclosure: I practice what I preach in regard to collecting. I collect strictly for fun. If there is an auction I am bidding on I am NEVER the under-bidder. I don't care paying ridiculous prices for things I want. Once they are no longer fun, I could care less what the worth is, I sell them for whatever the market is at the time and don't give a rip about what I get for them. Whatever I get back is a bonus to me. Laugh all you want. I do it only for fun. I don't drink, I don't smoke, I live modestly and WELL below my means. I over pay for cards if I have to in lieu of cigarettes and booze. If I take a loss on a card it comes out in the wash. Cards are my vice. Happy FUN collecting!
and it would be nice if you share that stuff with us instead of all that mambo jumbo.
<< <i>I don't know mrsnuffpagus sounds to me like you have been smoking something
and it would be nice if you share that stuff with us instead of all that mambo jumbo. >>
Sorry, I don't smoke anything either legal or illegal or semi legal in certain state. However, Snuffy does indulge in some prescription Xanax from time to time and never minds sharing with a friend in need
You don't speak Snuffleupagia? This is why I typically only post in stupid silly pictures. I tend to ramble. I will translate for you. Don't speculate on cardboard with money you can't afford to burn and you can never get hurt! Collect for fun!
Kids 20 years from today wont know a garbage pail kid from a watermelon and wont have 150 years of history to look back on. Forget cards for a moment and just stick to American culture. Sure, football is #1, for a number of reasons, but baseball remains huge. My 3 year old can't swing the bat often enough in the yard. Baseball remains magnetic and enduring, so yeah, barring hobby or economy meltdowns, there will be a market of some kind for cards in 20 years.
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<< <i>I disagree completely on the Pokemon/Garbage Pail Kids thought. I understand it, but think it is way off. We did wonder 20 years ago who would collect today. Topps had just come out with Finest to ruin the hobby and start the "hit" craze, with cards cost upwards of $10 a pack.
Kids 20 years from today wont know a garbage pail kid from a watermelon and wont have 150 years of history to look back on. Forget cards for a moment and just stick to American culture. Sure, football is #1, for a number of reasons, but baseball remains huge. My 3 year old can't swing the bat often enough in the yard. Baseball remains magnetic and enduring, so yeah, barring hobby or economy meltdowns, there will be a market of some kind for cards in 20 years. >>
I used the Garbage Pail/Pokemon example more as a juxtaposition to highlight that I don't think there will be as many buyers for this stuff then as there is now. I think we are in a sweet spot for this stuff. People trying to regain some nostalgia with plenty of money to burn, and plenty of people who don't, trying to keep up with the people with money to burn. I 100% agree with you that there will be 'a market of some kind' in 20 years. But those people will have a totally different reference point for their nostalgia. If you are loading up the farm right now in anticipation of cashing in 20 years from now you better not be relying on the money for your retirement. Its a guessing game. Lets just hope you and I are around in 20 years to be able to discuss it without drooling all over ourselves. If we are, hit me up! I'll buy you the beverage of your choosing along with whatever food you select from holographic food sequencing replicator.
None of this rhetoric is new. I mentioned before how former unopened collector Larry S--jerseyfive--who had amassed one of the more impressive unopened collections in the hobby--sold everything about 6 years ago thru Mile High. Search their past auctions to see what Larry had--well over 350 packs of vintage. Larry was convinced the bubble was gong to burst on unopened--it hasn't--and it won't. People purchased unopened before the advent of registry sets, and will continue to do so.
That's just my opinion--but I gotta go--I am thirsty and want to go drink some more koolaid.
If BBCE had 30 cases of 1975 Topps Minis sitting in the warehouse, do you really think Steve would announce that?
Or do you think he would dribble it out in a manner that would maximize profits?
For me, I was serious when I said that Finest ruined the hobby. Yes it was well along on its implosion, but with few exceptions, base cards stopped mattering and I left the hobby, deciding never to buy new again. I kept what I had,
but lost all interest for quite a few years, caring only about 70s (and my soft spot for 84 donruss). To this day, I could care less about shiny. I bought and blasted a half case of 2012 mini because it struck a personal nerve, but that's it.
20 years from now, I will still love the 70s and even the 80s, but I wont give a rats butt about a find of unopened bowman chrome from 2011. Not sure many others will either, because base still wont matter and almost all the hits will be retired and worthless, with very few exceptions. Plus it will all still be mint/gem mint out of the pack...
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<< <i>20 years from now, I will still love the 70s and even the 80s, but I wont give a rats butt about a find of unopened bowman chrome from 2011. Not sure many others will either, because base still wont matter and almost all the hits will be retired and worthless, with very few exceptions. Plus it will all still be mint/gem mint out of the pack... >>
I'm not familiar with the newer products but won't all this stuff be stuck together like much of the 90's unopened material?
That is hardly the case a lot of the time
<< <i>Let me ask you guys something...
If BBCE had 30 cases of 1975 Topps Minis sitting in the warehouse, do you really think Steve would announce that?
Or do you think he would dribble it out in a manner that would maximize profits? >>
I'll answer this by saying if I knew nothing else but just the statements you presented I would say he would dribble it out to maximize profits.
I'm going with the belief that Steve does not have at this time 30 cases of 1975 Topps mini. I don't think BBCE has access to 30 cases or any significant quantity.
I don't think there was another large quanitiy outside of what REA auctioned off available of the Conlon collection or any other find (at this time) of 75 Mini.
When the find started to get sold off and BBCE was able to acquire some I was lucky to get some boxes. As he has sold out through the years the prices have gone up.
I don't think they will keep going up at the rate we have seen.
So let me ask you something Maurice, why would BBCE be paying what they are paying for unopened mini wax and cello product right now if they would have 30 cases
sitting in inventory? Why would BBCE be buying quantities much lower than multiple cases if there are 30 cases available to them? Is this some form of strategic business
planning I am not aware of that is a staple for success and long term health of the unopened card business?
Keep in mind I do know where he's been able to acquire the recent unopened mini wax and cello product from.
Last question. Does it upset people to know that if BBCE has 30 cases of unopened mini product on hand that they would eventually sell out?
aconte
To be clear, I'm not suggesting that BBCE is sitting on 30 cases of 1975 Topps Minis.
Feel free to substitute 30 cases of any unopened product that is believed to be in short supply.
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<< <i>The material is out there. Hundreds (if not thousands) of untampered boxes and cases from the 1970's and earlier are stashed away in collections. Just because no one is selling doesn't mean the boxes aren't out there. >>
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<< <i>The material is out there. Hundreds (if not thousands) of untampered boxes and cases from the 1970's and earlier are stashed away in collections. Just because no one is selling doesn't mean the boxes aren't out there. >>
Yup! a lot of people here in SoCal are hoarding much to it.
Only logical step was to differiate the condition of each card in order to create a proper market for high end value. The though of having the holy grail of a certain card is the ultimate prize for many collectors. Part of the hobby is the competition of it , being sports fans we all want to be number 1. The others who do it for nostalgia and do not care about condition well those are the amateur collector and the big league owners are a wealthy or a dealer one way or the other.
I'm glad about the grading system and population reports I think it keeps the industry financially healthy. As long as we continue to recruit children to the hobby there is no end in sight