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Hunt Auctions tonight!! All I can say is...LOL!!!!!

bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭
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I have never consigned with Hunt Auction before....but after seeing some of the outrageous prices some of their raw cards attained tonight, maybe I should send them some raw stuff! Their prices tonight made PWCC & Probstein look like rank amateurs!

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  • yankeeno7yankeeno7 Posts: 9,248 ✭✭✭
    I had a lot of lots I bid on so I could do after auction end bidding....and I did not rebid on anything else. I could not believe the prices and not just on the raw cards but on everything.
  • GriffinsGriffins Posts: 6,076 ✭✭✭
    worst auction house website in the hobby.

    Always looking for Topps Salesman Samples, pre '51 unopened packs, E90-2, E91a, N690 Kalamazoo Bats, and T204 Square Frame Ramly's

  • ClockworkAngelClockworkAngel Posts: 1,994 ✭✭✭


    << <i>worst auction house website in the hobby. >>



    Then why did they get the prices they got?
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  • soundgardsoundgard Posts: 650 ✭


    << <i>

    << <i>worst auction house website in the hobby. >>



    Then why did they get the prices they got? >>



    Maybe they attract Levi's and Dean's customers.
  • mikeschmidtmikeschmidt Posts: 5,756 ✭✭✭
    Heritage is a close second in terms of profoundly $hitty website
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  • MintMoondogMintMoondog Posts: 969 ✭


    << <i>Heritage is a close second in terms of profoundly $hitty website >>



    I 2nd this with both hands raised! I honestly believe it is easier to navigate Obamacare's website than Heritages - they really need to make it significantly more user friendly
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  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭
    Don't get me wrong...there were so nice raw cards on Hunt's last night....but the prices they were getting. OMG. I was questioning the sanity of the bidders. You can buy them already graded in the grades that they claimed they were, and save 50% of your money (for the stuff I was seeing).
  • Probstein123Probstein123 Posts: 1,281 ✭
    Their prices tonight made PWCC & Probstein look like rank amateurs!
    ==> Coke and Pepsi don't worry about RC Cola !!
    just having fun !!!
    in all seriousness , you never know, sometimes prices go crazy high and sometimes crazy low...
    auctions and tough to predict, but over the long run, Brent and I are out performing the market on average....
    anyways...........
    good for HUNT, they are nice people....
    good for bobbyw8469 !!!
    have a great day...
    rick
    Rick Probstein
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    email: rickprobstein1@gmail.com

    Probstein123 is actively accepting CONSIGNMENTS !!
  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭


    << <i>good for bobbyw8469 !!! >>



    LOL - not good for me Rick - I didn't win anything. Although I still have my sanity! (for now)....image
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  • RyanAdmirerRyanAdmirer Posts: 632 ✭✭


    << <i>Their prices tonight made PWCC & Probstein look like rank amateurs!
    ==> Coke and Pepsi don't worry about RC Cola !!
    just having fun !!!
    in all seriousness , you never know, sometimes prices go crazy high and sometimes crazy low...
    auctions and tough to predict, but over the long run, Brent and I are out performing the market on average....
    anyways...........
    good for HUNT, they are nice people....
    good for bobbyw8469 !!!
    have a great day...
    rick >>



    Love the RC Cola line....that was one I'll remember and "steal" when an opportunity presents itself.
    I'm a big Nolan Ryan fan OK???!!!
  • JHS5120JHS5120 Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Did this auction outperform the market? >>



    Yes?
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  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Did this auction outperform the market? >>



    Is there an established market for a card that is a 1 of 1 - the only one in existence??
  • letsgocapitalsletsgocapitals Posts: 177 ✭✭
    Maurice's impulsiveness outperforms his self-control.
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  • esquiresportsesquiresports Posts: 1,360 ✭✭✭


    << <i>worst auction house website in the hobby. >>



    +1. It takes several clicks just to get to the login page and it doesn't get a lot better from there. They say they are working on it, however.
    Always buying 1971 OPC Baseball packs.
  • pdub1819pdub1819 Posts: 1,988 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Their prices tonight made PWCC & Probstein look like rank amateurs!
    ==> Coke and Pepsi don't worry about RC Cola !!
    just having fun !!!
    in all seriousness , you never know, sometimes prices go crazy high and sometimes crazy low...
    auctions and tough to predict, but over the long run, Brent and I are out performing the market on average....
    anyways...........
    good for HUNT, they are nice people....
    good for bobbyw8469 !!!
    have a great day...
    rick >>



    Bought my first card from you this weekend. Don Drysdale rookie!!!!!

    https://www.psacard.com/psasetregistry/pdub1819/othersets/6204

  • letsgocapitalsletsgocapitals Posts: 177 ✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Maurice's impulsiveness outperforms his self-control. >>



    Really? What are your thoughts on that auction? >>



    Small, and conveniently selected, sample size.
  • neildownneildown Posts: 183


    << <i>Their prices tonight made PWCC & Probstein look like rank amateurs!
    ==> Coke and Pepsi don't worry about RC Cola !!
    just having fun !!!
    in all seriousness , you never know, sometimes prices go crazy high and sometimes crazy low...
    auctions and tough to predict, but over the long run, Brent and I are out performing the market on average....
    anyways...........
    good for HUNT, they are nice people....
    good for bobbyw8469 !!!
    have a great day...
    rick >>



    Hi Rick (aka Coke. Or is it Pepsi)?

    Can you please address this shill bids on your 65 Pete Rose 9? This is the second time you've listed it. It would be great to understand why it didn't sell the first time. Did the winner refuse to pay because of being shilled?

    Here is the first auction:
    S=65 Rose 1st Time]http://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-Topps-207-Pete-Rose-Cincinnati-Reds-PSA-9-MINT-CENTERED-HIGH-END-/380728334325?pt=US_Baseball&amp;hash=item58a52d57f5&amp;nma=true&amp;si=zBDtRhmJAo2T4wkCWoPoaj7VL78%3D&amp;orig_cvip=true&amp;rt=nc&amp;_trksid=p2047675.l2557[/S]

    And here is the current auction:
    L=65 Rose 2nd Time]http://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-Topps-207-Pete-Rose-Cincinnati-Reds-PSA-9-MINT-CENTERED-HIGH-END-/380738280982?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item58a5c51e16[/L]

    Its pretty clear there is shilling going on here in both auctions and that the right move here is to cancel the bids. Not accusing you of having a part in this, more overall sloppiness in high end auction management, you often complain that with all your listings, it's impossible to enforce. Well, here is some information that you can act on.
  • neildownneildown Posts: 183


    << <i>

    << <i>Their prices tonight made PWCC & Probstein look like rank amateurs!
    ==> Coke and Pepsi don't worry about RC Cola !!
    just having fun !!!
    in all seriousness , you never know, sometimes prices go crazy high and sometimes crazy low...
    auctions and tough to predict, but over the long run, Brent and I are out performing the market on average....
    anyways...........
    good for HUNT, they are nice people....
    good for bobbyw8469 !!!
    have a great day...
    rick >>



    Hi Rick (aka Coke. Or is it Pepsi)?

    Can you please address this shill bids on your 65 Pete Rose 9? This is the second time you've listed it. It would be great to understand why it didn't sell the first time. Did the winner refuse to pay because of being shilled?

    Here is the first auction:
    >>

    65 Rose 1st Time

    And here is the current auction:
    65 Rose 2nd Time


    Its pretty clear there is shilling going on here in both auctions and that the right move here is to cancel the bids. Not accusing you of having a part in this, more overall sloppiness in high end auction management, you often complain that with all your listings, it's impossible to enforce. Well, here is some information that you can act on.
  • MauriceMaurice Posts: 1,136
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  • MrSnuffleupagusMrSnuffleupagus Posts: 689
    Maurice, can you please explain the issue? Please talk slow so that knuckleheads like me can understand. Please learn me something! I am lost!

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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,743 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Snuffy, you're no knucklehead. >>



    I will second that, LOL..


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  • addicted2ebayaddicted2ebay Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭✭
    Hopefully Mastro getting thrown in the slammer will be wake up call to those who think its "no big deal". After all it's real people getting scammed not faceless bidders.
  • maddux69maddux69 Posts: 2,151 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>Maurice's impulsiveness outperforms his self-control. >>



    Really? What are your thoughts on that auction? >>



    Small, and conveniently selected, sample size. >>



    Sample size is irrelevant. And of course it was conveniently selected. But do you understand why? If not, you may want to put your pom-poms away and excuse yourself from this thread. >>



    I am guessing that because private bidders took it from $100 to $1600+ without any bids in between is the issue. One would suspect that there would be some intermediate bids, but for it to make that kind of jump is unfathomable.
    Jason

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  • LarkinCollectorLarkinCollector Posts: 8,975 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I am guessing that because private bidders took it from $100 to $1600+ without any bids in between is the issue. One would suspect that there would be some intermediate bids, but for it to make that kind of jump is unfathomable. >>


    So who's the shiller? 0***m had to bid $1597.22 for it to jump with no bids in between, after that it only went up $50 total from two different bidders.
    Who is the Golf Card Guy?
  • neildownneildown Posts: 183
    The silence from Rick is deafening as usual. I did sent him a private message asking him to please respond about the bidding behavior in these two auctions.

    Maybe Coke is out golfing or fishing.
  • JHS5120JHS5120 Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The silence from Rick is deafening as usual. I did sent him a private message asking him to please respond about the bidding behavior in these two auctions.

    Maybe Coke is out golfing or fishing. >>



    What is your solution to this issue?
    My eBay Store =)

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  • coachnip13coachnip13 Posts: 464
    Member Id: d***j (0)

    This cat is making it a little too obvious in the Pete Rose listings.
  • JHS5120JHS5120 Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭
    Nevermind
    My eBay Store =)

    "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." Dr. Seuss
  • neildownneildown Posts: 183


    << <i>

    << <i>The silence from Rick is deafening as usual. I did sent him a private message asking him to please respond about the bidding behavior in these two auctions.

    Maybe Coke is out golfing or fishing. >>



    What is your solution to this issue? >>



    Cancel the shill bids. And take some of all that money he says he's making and invest in headcount that can spend time on the higher end auctions each day to look at suspicious bids and take corrective action where necessary. He just hired Wes, surely he can hire somebody to monitor the higher end listings. There aren't that many 2,000+ auctions running on Rick's site at any given time.

    Of course, I suggested cancelling the shill bids to him when I reached out to him. Still, nada.
  • JHS5120JHS5120 Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Cancel the shill bids. And take some of all that money he says he's making and invest in headcount that can spend time on the higher end auctions each day to look at suspicious bids and take corrective action where necessary. He just hired Wes, surely he can hire somebody to monitor the higher end listings. There aren't that many 2,000+ auctions running on Rick's site at any given time.

    Of course, I suggested cancelling the shill bids to him when I reached out to him. Still, nada. >>




    So you're suggesting a business owner hire a staff member to cancel the bids of potential customers? Which bids are we cancelling, the ones we're 50% sure about or just the 100% sure ones or are we just cancelling all the bidders with private feedback? I would like to know.
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  • neildownneildown Posts: 183
    Have you looked at the Rose auctions. If your doubting that the 0 feedback with 100% of bidding activity on probstein in small increments is a shiller, then I don't know what to tell you.

    Yes, they're easy to pick out. Some are simply suspicious. I'm not talking about those--I'm talking about the obvious ones. I guess your looking for the shiller to tell you he's shilling before cancelling their bid.

  • JHS5120JHS5120 Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Have you looked at the Rose auctions. If your doubting that the 0 feedback with 100% of bidding activity on probstein in small increments is a shiller, then I don't know what to tell you.

    Yes, they're easy to pick out. Some are simply suspicious. I'm not talking about those--I'm talking about the obvious ones. I guess your looking for the shiller to tell you he's shilling before cancelling their bid. >>



    I'm just trying to picture my reaction if I found out Rick Probstein cancelled a bid on my consigned item because the bidder had 0 feedback and 100% with Rick; I'm fairly certain I would be pissed. I'm sure those Rose cards are shilled; tell Rick and move on. It's ultimately Rick's decision whether he wants to cancel those bids or not. There is no good solution to shill bidding - we just need to learn the signs and avoid those auctions. Shill bidding only works if the seller is outbid.
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  • coachnip13coachnip13 Posts: 464


    << <i>

    I'm just trying to picture my reaction if I found out Rick Probstein cancelled a bid on my consigned item because the bidder had 0 feedback and 100% with Rick; I'm fairly certain I would be pissed. >>



    It's a pretty common practice among eBayers across all categories to cancel bids from buyers with 0 feedback, especially on high priced items. Too many people have been burned. Do you really want to ship that $2,000 baseball card only to find out that the brand new eBay buyer used a stolen credit card?
  • otwcardsotwcards Posts: 5,291 ✭✭✭
    While it is easy to single out some isolated incidents and grab the pitchforks and torches, in the overall scope of eBay and the hobby, the examples cited are small potatoes. To suggest someone running a business with a limited margin invest a significant portion of that limited margin into filtering/screening potential customers and making educated guesses on who to cancel, who to ban and who to allow will result in three things:

    1. The loss of potential bidders for said seller
    2. Reduced returns for the consignor due to reduction of potential bidders
    3. Reduced income (and eventually higher consignment rates) for the seller that will blow back onto the consignors in said rate increases

    Before going on a witch hunt, it might be prudent to weigh the pros and cons of said witch hunt.

    I realize that there are some fishy happenings on eBay. Many examples provided on CU over the years confirm this. However, in the overall picture, most of the complaints are more sour grapes and an opportunity to take pot-shots rather than legitimate damage being caused to the OP's and those that join the masses in seeking a pound of flesh.

    With regard to some of the realized prices on some of the raw card auctions as of late, there has always been a premium for well exposed and higher condition raw items that are considered "fresh" product. It is not unusual to see cards sell raw for prices that equal or exceed their value if they were sold in a TPG holder of the same grade. Keep in mind that there are many collectors that DO NOT collect graded cards and will pay strong prices for raw cards that appear fresh and clean. The prices in the auction cited by the OP are strong, but not unusual to those that pay attention to such things.
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