Video camera set up at coin shows.

giantsfan20

Was wondering if this is commonplace at other shows. At a recent Northern CA show a dealer set up video cameras recording his table i guess for security reasons or as a deterent but should that be allowed at all without any signs etc that you are being recorded etc.

BAJJERFAN

After the Boston Marathon incident, it's amazing how many security cameras [both public and private] are out there and I bet there aren't/weren't signs posted for any/most of those. Hell, if you buy those prepaid cards that are used for toll booths your vehicle can be tracked long after you passed by the toll booth.

LanceNewmanOCC

<< <i>Was wondering if this is commonplace at other shows. At a recent Northern CA show a dealer set up video cameras recording his table i guess for security reasons or as a deterrent but should that be allowed at all without any signs etc that you are being recorded etc. >>



i think issues like this have been and will be constantly questioned and battled-out in court because of the 4th amendment and the interpretation of how far one can go with recording video/audio.
a lot of "peace" officers trying to harass/arrest people on the street for recording various activities, including theirs but the supreme court far as i know keeps upholding a citizen's (of the usa) right(s) to record freely on public/federal property without legal recourse and that is the way it should be.

whether it is legal/moral to do and whether it will be admissible in court is another matter entirely as there will be numerous variables/exceptions BUT if the goal is just to get the image of someone that has stolen property from a show, then a closed cctv system is more than enough because that/those videos/images can be shared with other show promoters/owner/managers. also good for people going to shows selling counterfeits. i'm not saying everyone that does it knows they do but it is one step towards protecting dealers/buyers/collectors on the bourse.

heck i bet even just having a camera set up w/o even recording would be a major deterrent.

i personally think coin shows w/o at least a basic cctv with even just video is asking for trouble. as if everyone can't chip in $20-30 to get a cheap camera/recorder set up. imo anyway. even $5-10 from a couple dozen dealers over a few months would get the job done.

i have mixed feelings on whether signs should be legally required to be posted. i guess people doing cash transactions w/o reporting sales/income would sure prefer cameras not be set up .lol
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KollectorKing

<< <i>Was wondering if this is commonplace at other shows. At a recent Northern CA show a dealer set up video cameras recording his table i guess for security reasons or as a deterent but should that be allowed at all without any signs etc that you are being recorded etc. >>




was the dealer McIntosh Collectibles? I've seen his set up at the LB coin shows.

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<< <i>Was wondering if this is commonplace at other shows. At a recent Northern CA show a dealer set up video cameras recording his table i guess for security reasons or as a deterent but should that be allowed at all without any signs etc that you are being recorded etc. >>




was the dealer McIntosh Collectibles? I've seen his set up at the LB coin shows. >>

I know of one CA Dealer that has his table setup on CCTV. The monitors are right there for all to see and to me, it poses absolutely no problems at all.

You see, I have nothing to hide and don't really care if I am recorded at a coin show. Hell, you can record every freaking thing I do from going to the bank to shopping at the supermarket! Oh wait, they do that anyway!

Others may not feel the same way as I do but then those "others" are the nice folks that have all sorts of rules and what not imposed upon the general public due to their "privacy" being infringed upon! These are the nobodies of the world who simply do not exist because nobody can prove they exist.

MICHAELDIXON

I know a dealer who positions his laptop so it is looking at his table recording people who stop by. I use both live cameras and dummy cameras at the small show I set up. On the door is a sign letting people know they are being recorded. I have done this since 2002.

Justlooking

Unfortunately, it sounds like a good idea.

mayor1

I believe it was done this year at the ANA in Chicago.

Nickcap

Personally I say record it.

It is common for almost all businesses to record point of sale transactions.

It also keeps the other people working the table honest.

drwstr123

"... but should that be allowed at all without any signs etc that you are being recorded etc."

I had this arise at our High School Hockey Club.
A person objected to video of the meeting as an invasion of privacy.
We recorded meeting to more accurately transcribe minutes.
The recordings would be destroyed after 30 days.

I had to go to Supreme Court rulings for the answer.
"There is no expectation of privacy in a public place."

No harm, no foul.

TwoSides2aCoin

I threaten to put my grandchildren on YouTube if they don't behave.

vibr0nic

Privacy is important, but when you are at a public venue like a coin show, it's not to be expected.

CoinRaritiesOnline

<< <i>"There is no expectation of privacy in a public place." >>



This.

golden

Several of the very large dealers use cameras at shows and also have guards watching their tables.

USMoneylover

<< <i>I threaten to put my grandchildren on YouTube if they don't behave. >>



Better than craigslist! You must be getting soft gramps

Cougar1978

While it may serve as a deterrent to attempts of outright theft it could monitor other things as well: the guy offering stolen coins for sale, the guy trying to launder money via buying coins... The dealer has it as a security procedure in the event questions come up?

TPRC

I think recording is a great idea and I suspect it is a question of cost and the ability to comprehensively cover the participants. As costs come down, I think you will see it become commonplace. I also think that a person, by entering a coin show, waives his rights to not be recorded. If there was any question about this, a simple disclaimer would cover it.

It may be better stated, as others have said, as a no expectation of privacy issue. I haven't thought through that fully quite yet.

braddick

Live your life as if you're constantly being recorded and you will then never really care if you truly are.

AuroraBorealis

<< <i>Live your life as if you're constantly being recorded and you will then never really care if you truly are. >>





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RigoAmdor

I still can't take good pics no matter what I do...lol

BAJJERFAN

<< <i>Live your life as if you're constantly being recorded and you will then never really care if you truly are. >>



Until someone makes your life miserable over it just because they can; esp. the government.

Shamika

<< <i>Unfortunately, it sounds like a good idea. >>


My exact thoughts.

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JohnHarper

The Northwest Show in Minnesota has had a half-dozen cameras at the show for at least two years. As I recall, the public was informed and monitors were near the entry area.

MICHAELDIXON

It's amazing where the cameras can be located. After talking with a security/suvellience expert all I can say is: "Simply amazing!" I won't go into details, as I don't want to give away their secrets. But...if you ever get a chance to talk to a security/survellience professional, ask where they recommend to place cameras.

hchcoin

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When I go to the bathroom in a public restroom I expect there to be privacy

drwstr123

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When I go to the bathroom in a public restroom I expect there to be privacy >>



..or, according to the Supremes, in a (antique) phone booth.

ricko

It is correct that in public areas, cameras are allowed, and, without necessity of notification. A notable exception is Las Vegas casinos who post signs as a matter of protection for clientele who may not want to be observed. Other than that, you are likely being recorded most of the time while out shopping, walking or conducting other public activities. Cheers, RickO

johnny9434

<< <i>Several of the very large dealers use cameras at shows and also have guards watching their tables. >>

theres nothing wrong with that, im just not liking the idea of being put on a video. i dont trust all new dealers that i meet. jmo

giantsfan20

If video recording is fair game for dealers the same applies to collectors as well.

GrumpyEd

For most customers the camera verifies that they didn't take anything.
Most intersections have cameras and many public places, look around next time you go to the bank.

It doesn't bother me if coin dealers have them.