<< <i>I'll be at FSU-Idaho. Should be over by 3:31 pm. >>
Only if it kicks off at 3:31.
I just hope FSU doesn't score 100 on them.
Isn't Idaho a Iaa school!? >>
No they're 1a, just terrible. Used to be in the WAC before that went poof and are now independent. The recruits visiting Tallahassee for the game could likely suit up and beat them tomorrow.
Oh and the spread is 57, yet the O/U is also 57. You don't see that very often.
FSU is playing Idaho because West Virginia backed out of our series with them.
Sagarin Rankings (based on games played through November 16).
Sagarin is an interesting ranking because it is different than BCS or RPI rankings. I like how it takes things into context like not just strength of schedule by itself based on the team faced--but goes further to factor in whether the teams faced were at home or on the road. It ranks all 251 Division I teams (FBS and FCS) which is why a team like Idaho can be ranked so low (even though it is officially a FBS school, and there are only 120-some FBS schools--Idaho is ranked 189--behind many FCS schools)
The stated goal of Sagarin is not to be just an order ranking of teams based on what they have done so far--but using what they have done so far to help predict who would have the odds-on chance of winning against any other team if it played them at this point in the season. You are supposed to add 3 points to the "rating" of any home team to make a prediction of who would win any match-up. Thus, the Sagarin predictor at this moment says if Alabama played AT FSU, then Florida State should win in most scenarios--and if FSU played AT Alabama, FSU still has the slightest odds chance (based on all the computer details so far this season), but the ratings predictor would be very close (only 1 point difference after adding 3 points to Alabama's rating as the home team), so it is almost a toss-up.
Below are the current Top-10 teams, plus a few other teams that have been mentioned on this page of the thread to add fuel to the discussions:
1. FSU (Rating of 103.59) 2. Alabama (Rating of 99.30) 3. Baylor (Rating of 97.37) 4. Oregon (Rating of 97.23) 5. Wisconsin (Rating of 92.00) 6. Arizona St. (Rating of 90.47) 7. Stanford (Rating of 90.41) 8. Ohio St. (Rating of 90.30) 9. Missouri (Rating of 90.03) 10. Clemson (Rating of (87.95)
18. USC (Rating of 84.31) 20. Georgia (Rating of 83.05) 26. Utah (Rating of 80.43) 52. Nebraska (Rating of 73.17) 67. Penn St. (Rating of 70.32) 99. Kentucky (Rating of 62.56) 189. Idaho (Rating of 43.81)
So, Sagarin says:
FSU should clobber Idaho (as everyone predicts),
Nebraska at Penn St (virtually a toss-up with Penn St. having a "Home" rating advantage of 73.32 to Nebraska's 73.17),
Georgia should have no problem with Kentucky (again, as everyone predicts).
I, hopefully, will be enjoying East Carolina thrashing NC State this Saturday. (ECU rates 74.56, and State at home rates a 64.80).
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I like Sagarin too. It seems to weigh the Pac 12 heavier year in and year out than the other polls. He must be a Pac homer like me!?
Seriously though, ASU at #6!? I don't get that. I guess we shall see Saturday in Pasadena. They are favored at UCLA but I don't think ASU is that good. They didn't look great when they were gifted the game against Wisconsin!
The Arizona St. higher ranking seems to be getting a schedule strength boost--so far have played 5 other "Top 30" Sagarin teams, and beat 4 of the 5 (including beating a top-10 Sagarin team).
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<< <i>The Arizona St. higher ranking seems to be getting a schedule strength boost--so far have played 5 other "Top 30" Sagarin teams, and beat 4 of the 5 (including beating a top-10 Sagarin team). >>
Oh ya, and it's funny that Wisky is above Ohio State even though Ohio State beat them. That puts a little bit of a hole in Sagarin I think. Plus Wisky is ahead of ASU who beat them... well, officially anyway.
Yeah, there are always little quirks in the Sagarin rankings when compared to the traditional rankings we are used to--but remember, Sagarin isn't a pure "who's better resume" ranking , but more of a "predicting who would win this week" rating system--but at the same time still using the season so far to influence the ranking order.
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<< <i>The Arizona St. higher ranking seems to be getting a schedule strength boost--so far have played 5 other "Top 30" Sagarin teams, and beat 4 of the 5 (including beating a top-10 Sagarin team). >>
Oh ya, and it's funny that Wisky is above Ohio State even though Ohio State beat them. That puts a little bit of a hole in Sagarin I think. Plus Wisky is ahead of ASU who beat them... well, officially anyway. >>
Ranking teams with 2 losses over ohio state(ohio state beat wisconsin) has no credibility.
<< <i>Ranking teams with 2 losses over ohio state(ohio state beat wisconsin) has no credibility. >>
Comprehension is a valuable tool.
As I tried to say. Sagarin is not "who's best" ranking order like traditional polls, it assigns teams a rating based on what they've done (and also whether it was on the road or at home) in order to act as an odds predicting system for matchups against all other teams. Wisconsin has a rating of 92.00, and Ohio State has a rating 90.30--meaning if they played today at Ohio State, then OHIO STATE would be favored to win slightly because the HOME TEAM gets 3 points when predicting the odds of who wins--meaning Ohio State AT HOME has an adjusted rating of 93.30--slightly better than Wisconsin's regular rating of 92.00. I recall that Ohio State was the HOME TEAM when the 2 played, and won by a slight margin (7 points). Sagarin says Ohio State is favored at home still in that matchup, but that Wisconsin would be favored if they were the home team.
Also, Wisconsin's other loss was another road game against a good Arizona State team, and they only lost by 2 points. Based on the ratings of Sagarin, Arizona State would still be favored slightly at home versus Wisconsin, but likewise Wisconsin would be favored if they were the home team.
If you can get your mind around not just looking at the 1, 2, 3, etc. order of the Sagarin ranking, and instead look at the "Rating" number, you may be able to grasp the concept of using that rating system to help predict upcoming games--not a ranking order that has "no credibility"--it is not supposed to be a ranking order like other polls--unless maybe if you had a situation where every game played was at a neutral location, and there were no home games.
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Yes I am a UCLA fan but hopefully even non-UCLA college football fans can appreciate this. Myles Jack is a linebacker at UCLA who had a great freshman year at linebacker. He also played amazingly at tailback. Yesterday he was named the Pac-12 freshman of the year on defense AND offense. Pretty cool to have someone excel on both sides of the ball like this guy did this season. He only played tailback in 4 games and had 267 yards and 7 tds. Also, 70 tackles on defense.
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<< <i>I'll be at FSU-Idaho. Should be over by 3:31 pm. >>
Only if it kicks off at 3:31.
I just hope FSU doesn't score 100 on them.
Isn't Idaho a Iaa school!?
I would be surprised if they didn't cover by halftime!
Too soon?
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<< <i>I'll be at FSU-Idaho. Should be over by 3:31 pm. >>
Only if it kicks off at 3:31.
I just hope FSU doesn't score 100 on them.
Isn't Idaho a Iaa school!? >>
No they're 1a, just terrible. Used to be in the WAC before that went poof and are now independent. The recruits visiting Tallahassee for the game could likely suit up and beat them tomorrow.
Oh and the spread is 57, yet the O/U is also 57. You don't see that very often.
FSU is playing Idaho because West Virginia backed out of our series with them.
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Sagarin is an interesting ranking because it is different than BCS or RPI rankings. I like how it takes things into context like not just strength of schedule by itself based on the team faced--but goes further to factor in whether the teams faced were at home or on the road. It ranks all 251 Division I teams (FBS and FCS) which is why a team like Idaho can be ranked so low (even though it is officially a FBS school, and there are only 120-some FBS schools--Idaho is ranked 189--behind many FCS schools)
The stated goal of Sagarin is not to be just an order ranking of teams based on what they have done so far--but using what they have done so far to help predict who would have the odds-on chance of winning against any other team if it played them at this point in the season. You are supposed to add 3 points to the "rating" of any home team to make a prediction of who would win any match-up. Thus, the Sagarin predictor at this moment says if Alabama played AT FSU, then Florida State should win in most scenarios--and if FSU played AT Alabama, FSU still has the slightest odds chance (based on all the computer details so far this season), but the ratings predictor would be very close (only 1 point difference after adding 3 points to Alabama's rating as the home team), so it is almost a toss-up.
Below are the current Top-10 teams, plus a few other teams that have been mentioned on this page of the thread to add fuel to the discussions:
1. FSU (Rating of 103.59)
2. Alabama (Rating of 99.30)
3. Baylor (Rating of 97.37)
4. Oregon (Rating of 97.23)
5. Wisconsin (Rating of 92.00)
6. Arizona St. (Rating of 90.47)
7. Stanford (Rating of 90.41)
8. Ohio St. (Rating of 90.30)
9. Missouri (Rating of 90.03)
10. Clemson (Rating of (87.95)
18. USC (Rating of 84.31)
20. Georgia (Rating of 83.05)
26. Utah (Rating of 80.43)
52. Nebraska (Rating of 73.17)
67. Penn St. (Rating of 70.32)
99. Kentucky (Rating of 62.56)
189. Idaho (Rating of 43.81)
So, Sagarin says:
FSU should clobber Idaho (as everyone predicts),
Nebraska at Penn St (virtually a toss-up with Penn St. having a "Home" rating advantage of 73.32 to Nebraska's 73.17),
Georgia should have no problem with Kentucky (again, as everyone predicts).
I, hopefully, will be enjoying East Carolina thrashing NC State this Saturday. (ECU rates 74.56, and State at home rates a 64.80).
Seriously though, ASU at #6!? I don't get that. I guess we shall see Saturday in Pasadena. They are favored at UCLA but I don't think ASU is that good. They didn't look great when they were gifted the game against Wisconsin!
<< <i>The Arizona St. higher ranking seems to be getting a schedule strength boost--so far have played 5 other "Top 30" Sagarin teams, and beat 4 of the 5 (including beating a top-10 Sagarin team). >>
Oh ya, and it's funny that Wisky is above Ohio State even though Ohio State beat them. That puts a little bit of a hole in Sagarin I think. Plus Wisky is ahead of ASU who beat them... well, officially anyway.
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<< <i>The Arizona St. higher ranking seems to be getting a schedule strength boost--so far have played 5 other "Top 30" Sagarin teams, and beat 4 of the 5 (including beating a top-10 Sagarin team). >>
Oh ya, and it's funny that Wisky is above Ohio State even though Ohio State beat them. That puts a little bit of a hole in Sagarin I think. Plus Wisky is ahead of ASU who beat them... well, officially anyway. >>
Ranking teams with 2 losses over ohio state(ohio state beat wisconsin) has no credibility.
<< <i>Ranking teams with 2 losses over ohio state(ohio state beat wisconsin) has no credibility. >>
Comprehension is a valuable tool.
As I tried to say. Sagarin is not "who's best" ranking order like traditional polls, it assigns teams a rating based on what they've done (and also whether it was on the road or at home) in order to act as an odds predicting system for matchups against all other teams. Wisconsin has a rating of 92.00, and Ohio State has a rating 90.30--meaning if they played today at Ohio State, then OHIO STATE would be favored to win slightly because the HOME TEAM gets 3 points when predicting the odds of who wins--meaning Ohio State AT HOME has an adjusted rating of 93.30--slightly better than Wisconsin's regular rating of 92.00. I recall that Ohio State was the HOME TEAM when the 2 played, and won by a slight margin (7 points). Sagarin says Ohio State is favored at home still in that matchup, but that Wisconsin would be favored if they were the home team.
Also, Wisconsin's other loss was another road game against a good Arizona State team, and they only lost by 2 points. Based on the ratings of Sagarin, Arizona State would still be favored slightly at home versus Wisconsin, but likewise Wisconsin would be favored if they were the home team.
If you can get your mind around not just looking at the 1, 2, 3, etc. order of the Sagarin ranking, and instead look at the "Rating" number, you may be able to grasp the concept of using that rating system to help predict upcoming games--not a ranking order that has "no credibility"--it is not supposed to be a ranking order like other polls--unless maybe if you had a situation where every game played was at a neutral location, and there were no home games.
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