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Kudos to an Ebay seller That sold me some Counterfeits
amwldcoin
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I recently bought a lot of Barber Halves from an ebay seller. He had little history of selling coins and terrible pictures. I figured the coins were bad but thought they were worth a look! He had a 14 day return so no worries other than the money for a few weeks. How the auction lasted the full length...even until the seller shipped me the coins before ebay cancelled it was beyond me!
The seller contacted me via email immediately after ebay cancelled the listing...LOL after I had paid and the coins were shipped! He informed me that ebay had a team of observers and they had determined the coins were replicas.
I sent him this email after I received the coins:
I appreciate your contacting me and letting me know in advance. I never received a message from ebay!
I received the coins today. They are all without a doubt Chinese Counterfeits. I would love to own these coins so I can teach others about them. There are actually Chinese websites where you can purchase just about any coin you want. I refuse to purchase any even as a teaching tool because it needs to be stopped! I travel the country doing coin shows and would love to be able to show others to make them aware. You can check out my reputation under my selling account ********* on ebay. I am also good friends with *************** if you would like a local reference.
I know it is not much of a consulation for you as they are worth very little. What would you sell them for? If they had been genuine and uncleaned they would be worth $1000 or more....cleaned around $5-600
He Responded with this:
That's interesting--but now I question my own collection. Without grinding the edge down in order to acid test. How can I rest assured authenticity? How can the Chinese sell replica coins? I going to educate myself further and reevaluate my purchases. Think I will stick to buying thru Ampex--there very fair with the markup--- When ebay removed the listing--it basically disappeared--I contacted you thru this email. Keep the coins --spread the word. I will issue a full refund now.
My Reply:
Thank You and I hope ebay will allow me to leave feedback for you but I doubt it. These coins are actually easy because they are under weight and not silver. Upon close inspection you can see many little bumps and tooling marks. The reeding on the edges are way off also.It is easier once you have looked at coins for many years as I have. In coins the old addage if a deal is too good it usually is bad.
There is actually a bill before congress trying to strengthen the Hobby Protection act. Congress is fully aware of the problem but needs a major kick in the rear to get them to put some teeth in the law. Coin dealers support a law that would make it a crime to sell this crap. Obviously our government is afraid to confront China about this issue. It is actually legal for the Chineese to counterfeit their own coins issued before 1949!
Please feel free to contact me if you have coins you need advise on. I attend the FUN show in Orlando which is in early January. I would love to meet an upstanding person like yourself! My company name is ************
As you can see,there are good sellers out there that have no idea what they are selling is not genuine!
The seller contacted me via email immediately after ebay cancelled the listing...LOL after I had paid and the coins were shipped! He informed me that ebay had a team of observers and they had determined the coins were replicas.
I sent him this email after I received the coins:
I appreciate your contacting me and letting me know in advance. I never received a message from ebay!
I received the coins today. They are all without a doubt Chinese Counterfeits. I would love to own these coins so I can teach others about them. There are actually Chinese websites where you can purchase just about any coin you want. I refuse to purchase any even as a teaching tool because it needs to be stopped! I travel the country doing coin shows and would love to be able to show others to make them aware. You can check out my reputation under my selling account ********* on ebay. I am also good friends with *************** if you would like a local reference.
I know it is not much of a consulation for you as they are worth very little. What would you sell them for? If they had been genuine and uncleaned they would be worth $1000 or more....cleaned around $5-600
He Responded with this:
That's interesting--but now I question my own collection. Without grinding the edge down in order to acid test. How can I rest assured authenticity? How can the Chinese sell replica coins? I going to educate myself further and reevaluate my purchases. Think I will stick to buying thru Ampex--there very fair with the markup--- When ebay removed the listing--it basically disappeared--I contacted you thru this email. Keep the coins --spread the word. I will issue a full refund now.
My Reply:
Thank You and I hope ebay will allow me to leave feedback for you but I doubt it. These coins are actually easy because they are under weight and not silver. Upon close inspection you can see many little bumps and tooling marks. The reeding on the edges are way off also.It is easier once you have looked at coins for many years as I have. In coins the old addage if a deal is too good it usually is bad.
There is actually a bill before congress trying to strengthen the Hobby Protection act. Congress is fully aware of the problem but needs a major kick in the rear to get them to put some teeth in the law. Coin dealers support a law that would make it a crime to sell this crap. Obviously our government is afraid to confront China about this issue. It is actually legal for the Chineese to counterfeit their own coins issued before 1949!
Please feel free to contact me if you have coins you need advise on. I attend the FUN show in Orlando which is in early January. I would love to meet an upstanding person like yourself! My company name is ************
As you can see,there are good sellers out there that have no idea what they are selling is not genuine!
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bob
Now post the pics!!
<< <i>Kudos to you and the seller!
bob
Now post the pics!! >>
I hope to take some pic's soon but need someone to post them!
PS Wish I had saved the sellers pic's but I'm sure a few here saw the listing!
<< <i>I hope to take some pic's soon but need someone to post them!
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if you don't have the ability to host images, send them to me via oldcollectorcoins@gmail.com
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<< <i>I hope to take some pic's soon but need someone to post them!
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if you don't have the ability to host images, send them to me via oldcollectorcoins@gmail.com
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Thanks Lance!
I just took a picture of the 2 better dates and the edges of the coins. please don't think I am a fool!
Getting duped is a sure fire way to kill one's interest in numismatics. You should send the seller a few real pieces just as a thank you and to encourage him to keep collecting.
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<< <i>So eBay has a team of observers, LOL >>
Probably working part time or overtime, since the government shutdown.
the team of observers is some of the coin forum members
<< <i>Getting duped is a sure fire way to kill one's interest in numismatics. You should send the seller a few real pieces just as a thank you and to encourage him to keep collecting. >>
Call me overly suspicious but the seller may have just back tracked knowing he got caught. Maybe he had scammer's remorse or maybe he figured he could find another collector that is not so good at spotting the fakes. The fact that he uses bad pics makes me suspicious. I would be careful about sending real coins to him. Maybe that is his long con.
Congrats on finding him or her.
BHNC #203
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As you can see,there are good sellers out there that have no idea what they are selling is not genuine! >>
Exactly. Hence my chagrin when people blacklist ebay sellers from just a picture with no other information.