1968 Topps Johnny Bench PSA 10 on EBAY...

Dpeck100 · September 28, 2013 12:59AM

Bench PSA 10

Wow this is a monster card. I love seeing these beautiful older cards of major stars in such high grade.

This is going to be a fun auction to watch!

itzagoner · September 28, 2013 1:05AM

"As good as it gets and worthy of the finest collection in the country."

there might be a few foreign bidders wondering about this.

Foo3112 · September 28, 2013 1:09AM

That 10 is better than the recent 1st Ryan graded 10 that sold for an insanely amount imo. You're right, this should be a fun one to watch. I'm actually surprised it didn't end up on Heritage or another one of those auction sites.

RonBurgundy · September 28, 2013 4:12AM

Why Heritage or some other auction house that allows employees to shill? Brent does just fine. The other places will never see any of my cardboard.

SOM · September 28, 2013 5:36AM

Exactly.

But, who on these boards takes the Memory Lane, etc, prices seriously anyway?

thunderdan · September 28, 2013 6:02AM

Yeah I don't see ANY shilling in that auction.

bobbyw8469 · September 28, 2013 8:20AM

LMFAO!!! I see nothing BUT shilling!

grote15 · September 28, 2013 8:27AM

What, a bidder with a 2 who hasn't bid on any other card, can't suddenly bid 11K on a card?

RonBurgundy · September 28, 2013 8:33AM

Dan & others have a point. Gettin' shilly in here.

WrigleyCub · September 28, 2013 9:16AM

Maybe that explains why it was put on eBay?

Maurice · September 28, 2013 9:19AM

"If you happen to win, it's a 4% charge and you get the card back."

addicted2ebay · September 28, 2013 9:45AM

To bad it does not say "Demetri Young Collection".

Dpeck100 · September 28, 2013 12:56PM

This card is a Pop 11. Does anyone have any recent selling prices for one?

With the move higher in many of these older high end baseball cards that data will be outdated but I am curios to see what other copies have sold for.

The numbers of watchers is growing with 137 at the moment.

Dpeck100 · September 28, 2013 12:57PM

Double post.

Maurice · September 28, 2013 1:18PM

Memory Lane - April 2010 - $4,281 ($5,030 with buyers premium)

http://www.memorylaneinc.com/site/bid/bidplace.asp?itemid=16841

SCP Auctions - May 2012 - $8,711 (DMITRI YOUNG)

http://catalog.scpauctions.com/lot-19204.aspx

Dpeck100 · September 28, 2013 1:24PM

Thanks. Can you find any that are pre 2008? A Hank Aaron card was discussed recently where the card had fallen sharply and then rebounded to 2008 levels.

I would think this current price is record territory. Obviously time will tell how this card plays out.

ClockworkAngel · September 28, 2013 2:13PM

<< Exactly.

But, who on these boards takes the Memory Lane, etc, prices seriously anyway? >>

Why wouldn't anyone take them seriously? I don't know what this means....

Maurice · September 28, 2013 2:56PM

<< Thanks. Can you find any that are pre 2008? A Hank Aaron card was discussed recently where the card had fallen sharply and then rebounded to 2008 levels. >>

From the online SMR 1968 Topps notes:

"Two Johnny Bench rookie cards, graded PSA 10, sold for $5500 and $10,000 respectively in 2001, $5,030 in 2010 and $8,710 in 2012"

"A Bench PSA Gem Mint 10 rookie card sold for $6,095 in 2007 and $5,765 in 2008"

http://www.psacard.com/SMRPriceGuide/SetDetail.aspx?SMRSetID=1215

Maurice · September 28, 2013 2:59PM

<< I would think this current price is record territory. >>

Yes but the bid history for the PWCC card is questionable.

thunderdan · September 28, 2013 7:50PM

<< What, a bidder with a 2 who hasn't bid on any other card, can't suddenly bid 11K on a card? >>

And then decides to retract his bid after 10 hours and running everybody else up. Yeah this is a super legit new record high price.

swartz1 · September 28, 2013 10:41PM

<< 

<< What, a bidder with a 2 who hasn't bid on any other card, can't suddenly bid 11K on a card? >>

And then decides to retract his bid after 10 hours and running everybody else up. Yeah this is a super legit new record high price. >>

WrigleyCub · September 29, 2013 1:32AM

I think PWCC should do the right thing and pull the listing. Obviously this was the owner of the card, family, friend, etc.

KalineFan · September 29, 2013 4:46AM

I am not familiar with this particular issue-i.e. 1968 Johnny Bench, but, I just wanted
to ask those that know this card really well, is that centering top to bottom true GEM 10?

I'm not saying its OFF CENTER by any stretch of the imagination, I just wanted to know
if that is centered perfectly for the issue?

Thanks,

Tony
KalineFan

WrigleyCub · September 29, 2013 9:42AM

Some major tiltage on the back.

Dpeck100 · October 3, 2013 6:20AM

Wow this card has 345 watchers.

I am anxious to see how this one finishes tonight.

DonDraper · October 3, 2013 8:38AM

I haven't checked and am not sure I even know how, but a friend of mine said that the last few PWCC auctions have had several bid retractions. Would this be common, given all the stuff he sells?

Dpeck100 · October 3, 2013 9:01AM

There have been two bid retractions so far on this listing.

If you click on the bid history and scroll to the bottom you will find them.

I think this card is going to sell for more then those high bids. The finish will be interesting for sure.

60sfan · October 3, 2013 9:15AM

the card in this auction looks a little bit nicer than the last Bench RC PSA 10 that sold......that one sold in SCP auction.

handyman · October 3, 2013 9:21AM

I disagree. The current card looks OC in my opinion.

ClockworkAngel · October 3, 2013 9:59AM

Bid retractions seem to be expected with any auction in the thousands. I was the 2nd bidder on one recently where I won after the retraction, but I just had to say no based on principle. It's happening way too much and it's killing the integrity of these auctions

Dpeck100 · October 3, 2013 1:07PM

Five bidders over $10,250.01.

handyman · October 3, 2013 1:09PM

7 if you count the bid retractions. which were placed exactly 1 min apart and very similar in amounts but 2 different accounts.... Oh and one was retracted before the 12 hour mark came into effect.

Well its over.
Also either of the bids that were retracted would have won the auction. I guess the winner had some luck on his side.

grote15 · October 3, 2013 1:13PM

<< 7 if you count the bid retractions. which were placed exactly 1 min apart and very similar in amounts but 2 different accounts.... Oh and one was retracted before the 12 hour mark came into effect. >>

Market manipulation at its finest..

Dpeck100 · October 3, 2013 1:22PM

$10,700 final price.

Nothing left in the tank at the close.

60sfan · October 3, 2013 1:29PM

5 different bidders over $10,250,,,,,,,,,,,, all of them with a lot of feedback.

JoeBanzai · October 3, 2013 1:30PM

<< 

<< 7 if you count the bid retractions. which were placed exactly 1 min apart and very similar in amounts but 2 different accounts.... Oh and one was retracted before the 12 hour mark came into effect. >>

Market manipulation at its finest.. >>

I have asked this before, and will continue to bring it up from time to time. Why are retractions allowed? There is really NO VALID reason for a bid retraction.

You are actually bidding twice to put in your bid, so entering the wrong amount, is not possible. You CONFIRM your bid after you type in the amount.

Any auction you go to that's in person will tell you you bid, and that's it, if you do not honor your bid, I would assume you would be suspended or banned from further auctions.

Ebay should not allow bid retractions. If they choose to allow them, they should absolutely put in some kind of punishment for people who do it often. I have been on ebay for 15 years and have never retracted a bid.

Doing NOTHING about it sends the message that it's just fine to use retractions to shill or otherwise find the high bid amount.

60sfan · October 3, 2013 1:40PM

Final bid history shows 5 different bidders placed bids over $10,250..........all five bidders have a lot of feedback.

DonDraper · October 3, 2013 1:50PM

Seems to me it's on both EBay & the seller to get rid of these nefarious bidders. If the seller allows the same bidders to retract bids month after month, that's not good.

1954 · October 3, 2013 1:53PM

There are 20 or so 1953 Bowman Color cards up for auction last week. I noticed that the PWCC cards had 25-38 bids whereas the other cards that week had 4-7 bids. I tell you there is nothing that makes sense coming from the two big auction guys on Ebay. Cards being bought in PSA 6 holders and then one week later the same card gets a PSA 9 and sells for 455% more. Someone is buying the low graded cards (only these dealers know) and then the buyer somehow gets the cards in the mail, gets the card sent off to PSA and then PSA somehow gets the card entered in and then graded and then mailed back to the seller. There have been numerous discussions about this on Net54 but I am so tired of the foul play.
It amazes me how when I list a card it sells for 43% of SMR but when I buy it sells for record high prices.

No one can be trusted in this business and this is scary to me.

1954 · October 3, 2013 1:57PM

Oh and most all of the 1953 Bowman color cards had bids on them with 200 feedback but it shows that for the month they had 2900 bids of which 300 items were with PWCC. Funny thing is this bidder had 13 bids of $5 increments on every card.

Makes me sick.

60sfan · October 3, 2013 2:03PM

The babe Ruth Goudey was won by bider with zero fedback

mygotta · October 3, 2013 3:17PM

All things considered, $10,000 for a PSA 10 1968 Johnny Bench rookie seems rather cheap. Its a lot of money, don't get me wrong, but a Henderson rookie in a PSA 10 gets about the same and that is a pop 3 right now. Am I wrong in this thinking?

addicted2ebay · October 3, 2013 3:54PM

<< All things considered, $10,000 for a PSA 10 1968 Johnny Bench rookie seems rather cheap. Its a lot of money, don't get me wrong, but a Henderson rookie in a PSA 10 gets about the same and that is a pop 3 right now. Am I wrong in this thinking? >>

Henderson and Bench are both Pop 11 in a PSA 10.

larryallen73 · October 3, 2013 11:42PM

<< All things considered, $10,000 for a PSA 10 1968 Johnny Bench rookie seems rather cheap. Its a lot of money, don't get me wrong, but a Henderson rookie in a PSA 10 gets about the same and that is a pop 3 right now. Am I wrong in this thinking? >>

I tend to agree. Compared to the prices for modern cards like a Henderson this is "cheap." There aren't endless boxes of unopened 68's around waiting to be opened. I am not a collector of 10's but if I were this would have been worth looking at.

TheMick6 · October 3, 2013 11:51PM

A Gem mint example, 45 year old card, one of if not the best catcher of all all time! If you had the money I'd say it was a bargain. I bet ten years from now it will sure look that way. I recently got a 10 in a 68 Brooksie! There's a pop of 10 on that card but ill never let it go in my mind cards like these are the ones that end up in personal collections never to be seen again most of the time.

Maurice · October 4, 2013 12:59AM

Pre-1981 mainstream Topps sets

# of PSA 10's

1952 Topps -- 60
1953 Topps -- 25
1954 Topps -- 77
1955 Topps -- 41
1956 Topps -- 135
1957 Topps -- 176
1958 Topps -- 69
1959 Topps -- 224
1960 Topps -- 144
1961 Topps -- 476
1962 Topps -- 84
1963 Topps -- 186
1964 Topps -- 595
1965 Topps -- 796
1966 Topps -- 516
1967 Topps -- 965
1968 Topps -- 5,193
1969 Topps -- 1,819
1970 Topps -- 1,612
1971 Topps -- 160
1972 Topps -- 3,833
1973 Topps -- 1,944
1974 Topps -- 2,829
1975 Topps -- 2,489
1975 Topps Mini -- 1,333
1976 Topps -- 5,281
1977 Topps -- 3,434
1978 Topps -- 9,254
1979 Topps -- 4,453
1980 Topps -- 10,960

larryallen73 · October 4, 2013 1:03AM

<< Pre-1981 mainstream Topps sets

# of PSA 10's

1952 Topps -- 60
1953 Topps -- 25
1954 Topps -- 77
1955 Topps -- 41
1956 Topps -- 135
1957 Topps -- 176
1958 Topps -- 69
1959 Topps -- 224
1960 Topps -- 144
1961 Topps -- 476
1962 Topps -- 84
1963 Topps -- 186
1964 Topps -- 595
1965 Topps -- 796
1966 Topps -- 516
1967 Topps -- 965
1968 Topps -- 5,193
1969 Topps -- 1,819
1970 Topps -- 1,612
1971 Topps -- 160
1972 Topps -- 3,833
1973 Topps -- 1,944
1974 Topps -- 2,829
1975 Topps -- 2,489
1975 Topps Mini -- 1,333
1976 Topps -- 5,281
1977 Topps -- 3,434
1978 Topps -- 9,254
1979 Topps -- 4,453
1980 Topps -- 10,960 >>

That's an interesting chart but the fact is for the late 70's and 1980 there are tons of PSA 10 commons at Goodwill and trash dump... plus tons sitting in wax. Not so for 1968. Every 10 worthy card is sent in. However, it is surprising that there are that many more than '69 for example.

1968 Topps Johnny Bench PSA 10 on EBAY...

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