Question? What Baseball Has Most Subs But No 10's

habs007

What Vintage Baseball card (Pre 1980) has most submissions yet no Gem Mint 10 , and what is the likely reason?

Dakillo

Without too much research, I'll put in a plug for one that I know has an awful lot of submissions (935 at last count) with no 10's:

1975 Topps Mini #500 Nolan Ryan

jeffcbay

1978 Topps #400 Nolan Ryan: 2,125 subbed, zero 10s.

GrandMasterB

1960 Clemente has over 3000. The '62 Frank Robinson has no 10's and only 1 9! Just over 600 subs because the rest aren't worth grading.

lightningboy

1969 Mays and Seaver each have over 1600 without a 10. Not that it fits your question, but the 69 Jackson and 69 (yellow) Mantle each have well over 4000 subs with only a single 10. Must be something tough about that year.

Dboneesq

<< <i>1969 Mays and Seaver each have over 1600 without a 10. Not that it fits your question, but the 69 Jackson and 69 (yellow) Mantle each have well over 4000 subs with only a single 10. Must be something tough about that year. >>


I believe there are a lot of O/C cards from '69.

BaltimoreYankee

It's not a single card but the entire 1971 Topps Greatest Moments set has 3,741 cards graded and no PSA 10's.

habs007

Wow your're right about the 1960 Topps - that is one tough set to crack a 10.I did the numbers on the 10 cards of Ystrzemski ,Mays ,Musial,Aaron,McCovey,Kaufax,Mantle,Banks, B. Robinson and Clemente.These cards accounted for over 25,000 subs.And guess how many 10's ?? A grand total of 4 !! That is absolutely incredible .The Mantle has over 4700 subs alone with zero 10's.

ClockworkAngel

I think the 1971 set should be eliminated as that set is in it's own league

My guess is that it might be the 1976 Topps George Brett with 1,336 subs, 0 10's and only 11 9's...6 months ago it was the Nolan Ryan rookie

MBMiller25

1958 Topps Roger Maris

Mickey71

With the 62 Frank Robinson.....I've never come across any that were even 7's. That card is brutal.

maddux69

I was thinking about this and wondered if any of these now have a pop 10. A quick look and see that the 1978 Nolan Ryan is now a pop 2. One that directly affects me is the 1990 Topps Tiffany Greg Maddux. While there are not many submitted, which I believe that there are not many worthy as every one I have seen is greatly off center, I don't think there will ever be a PSA 10.

Matt0224

'69 topps Lou Brock 750 subs 0 10's

Matt0224

@habs007 said:
Wow your're right about the 1960 Topps - that is one tough set to crack a 10.I did the numbers on the 10 cards of Ystrzemski ,Mays ,Musial,Aaron,McCovey,Kaufax,Mantle,Banks, B. Robinson and Clemente.These cards accounted for over 25,000 subs.And guess how many 10's ?? A grand total of 4 !! That is absolutely incredible .The Mantle has over 4700 subs alone with zero 10's.

It's crazy right. Could put a man on the moon but could not cut a card straight.

LarkinCollector

The 88D Devon White is the most insane card with a crazy number of subs (nearly 900 now) and no 10.

Matt0224

First ever '69 Yaz 10? Eh probably a 7. Guess I will have to keep going to work haha

maddux69

@LarkinCollector said:
The 88D Devon White is the most insane card with a crazy number of subs (nearly 900 now) and no 10.

What is the story behind the Hawaii trade show buybacks...539 PSA 8's?

LarkinCollector

I'm not positive, but heard they were a giveaway to show off the PSA holders.

PROMETHIUS88

I've graded thousands of women (not sampled them all) and don't know if I've actually come across a 10. Many 9's and 9's with qualifiers especially, but 10's are extremely hard to come by!

Sdub

@PROMETHIUS88 said:
I've graded thousands of women (not sampled them all) and don't know if I've actually come across a 10. Many 9's and 9's with qualifiers especially, but 10's are extremely hard to come by!

You must not be married.

secretstash

@LarkinCollector said:
The 88D Devon White is the most insane card with a crazy number of subs (nearly 900 now) and no 10.

@maddux69 said:

@LarkinCollector said:
The 88D Devon White is the most insane card with a crazy number of subs (nearly 900 now) and no 10.

What is the story behind the Hawaii trade show buybacks...539 PSA 8's?

@PROMETHIUS88 said:
I've graded thousands of women (not sampled them all) and don't know if I've actually come across a 10. Many 9's and 9's with qualifiers especially, but 10's are extremely hard to come by!

This is the first I have heard of this one myself. What kind of thing(s) plague this one? PD or miscut?

PROMETHIUS88

@Sdub said:

@PROMETHIUS88 said:
I've graded thousands of women (not sampled them all) and don't know if I've actually come across a 10. Many 9's and 9's with qualifiers especially, but 10's are extremely hard to come by!

You must not be married.

Lol, traveled that road more than once. But I am with the last one I married, been together 19 years minus a 2 year break. Just to clarify, women can say the same about men, just with probably fewer 9's!

PmanFL

Had to check it out. Opened an 88F factory set. Great centering and corners....rough cut top edge. Dang.

maddux69

It's 88D, not 88F

Be our guest on that one and sub it!

PmanFL

Hahaha brb gotta open that set now

Gemyanks10

I love the design of 1988 Fleer.

Mickey Mays

1966 Willie Mays 2386 subs, no 10's.
1966 Mickey Mantle 6759 subs, one 10.

Terwin

@Dboneesq said:
<< <i>1969 Mays and Seaver each have over 1600 without a 10. Not that it fits your question, but the 69 Jackson and 69 (yellow) Mantle each have well over 4000 subs with only a single 10. Must be something tough about that year. >>

I believe there are a lot of O/C cards from '69.

According to the population report, there are 5 Mays and 1 (I submitted it) Seaver 10's.

LarkinCollector

@Terwin said:

@Dboneesq said:
<< <i>1969 Mays and Seaver each have over 1600 without a 10. Not that it fits your question, but the 69 Jackson and 69 (yellow) Mantle each have well over 4000 subs with only a single 10. Must be something tough about that year. >>

I believe there are a lot of O/C cards from '69.

According to the population report, there are 5 Mays and 1 (I submitted it) Seaver 10's.

That post was from 2013

1951WheatiesPremium

@Terwin said:

@Dboneesq said:
<< <i>1969 Mays and Seaver each have over 1600 without a 10. Not that it fits your question, but the 69 Jackson and 69 (yellow) Mantle each have well over 4000 subs with only a single 10. Must be something tough about that year. >>

I believe there are a lot of O/C cards from '69.

According to the population report, there are 5 Mays and 1 (I submitted it) Seaver 10's.

Can we see it? Desire, not doubt.

Terwin

@1951WheatiesPremium said:

@Terwin said:

@Dboneesq said:
<< <i>1969 Mays and Seaver each have over 1600 without a 10. Not that it fits your question, but the 69 Jackson and 69 (yellow) Mantle each have well over 4000 subs with only a single 10. Must be something tough about that year. >>

I believe there are a lot of O/C cards from '69.

According to the population report, there are 5 Mays and 1 (I submitted it) Seaver 10's.

Can we see it? Desire, not doubt.

Sure, I think I have a picture of it at home. I sold it the second I got it... about 4 years ago for $11,000. It has since sold for $18,600. Guess I should have waited. I'll post a picture if I can when I get home.

ReggieCleveland

1988 Donruss Devon White: I got this no problem.
1988 Topps Glossy Rookies Mark McGwire: Hold my drink...

6,160 subbed -- 3 PSA 10s

BLUEJAYWAY

It's interesting to note, at least to me, that so many cards can be graded a 9 and have no 10's of a particular card. Being that over the years many here, and elsewhere, have noted they cannot tell the difference between a 9 and 10. Unless that observation only applies to the modern era group of cards. Furthermore, I wonder how many times those vintage 9's have been re-subbed in hopes of achieving the mystical 10 designation.

Sdub

@BLUEJAYWAY said:
It's interesting to note, at least to me, that so many cards can be graded a 9 and have no 10's of a particular card. Being that over the years many here, and elsewhere, have noted they cannot tell the difference between a 9 and 10. Unless that observation only applies to the modern era group of cards. Furthermore, I wonder how many times those vintage 9's have been re-subbed in hopes of achieving the mystical 10 designation.

+agree. Do the graders know the POP report when they grade? Seems like that would be a bit much for them to do after long hours staring into microscopes. Conversely, using some examples from above, seems unimaginable that over 1,000 cards can be a 9, and only (2) are a 10. If you lined up those 1,002 cards, could we find the 10's?

maddux69

@maddux69 said:
I was thinking about this and wondered if any of these now have a pop 10. A quick look and see that the 1978 Nolan Ryan is now a pop 2. One that directly affects me is the 1990 Topps Tiffany Greg Maddux. While there are not many submitted, which I believe that there are not many worthy as every one I have seen is greatly off center, I don't think there will ever be a PSA 10.

Time to eat my words

waxman2745

@Sdub said:

Do the graders know the POP report when they grade? Seems like that would be a bit much for them to do after long hours staring into microscopes. Conversely, using some examples from above, seems unimaginable that over 1,000 cards can be a 9, and only (2) are a 10. If you lined up those 1,002 cards, could we find the 10's?

Great point. A 10 can look like a 9 and a 9 can look like a 10. Would be interesting to see if a grader could spot the 10s out of a large group of 9s.

psychump

1963 Topps #173 Bomber's Best (Mantle,Tresh,Richardson) has over 2,800 subs with no 10's

BaltimoreYankee

@BaltimoreYankee said:
It's not a single card but the entire 1971 Topps Greatest Moments set has 3,741 cards graded and no PSA 10's.

I originally said this 5 years ago. Now it's at 4,534 cards and still no 10s.

krisd3279

Assuming we don't eliminate the 71T set then the 71T Nolan Ryan ranks up there pretty high. 3,783 subs and no PSA 10's.