<< <i>And actually, after searching eBay, I do see much more 1975-1980 unopened product listed than I have in the past.
The fact that its not selling, even with BIN OBO and in some cases BBCE wrapping indicates there is on fact a current ceiling and is probably not much more than current BBCE pricing. >>
Links please? Trying to find 1975-1979 unopened boxes at anywhere near a reasonable price. Thanks. >>
Who said anything about a reasonable price? I only claimed theres a ceiling(IE prices don't rise to infinity in any given market). BIN items not selling means theres a ceiling somewhere between the auctions ending prices and the BIN price. These are just the first three boxes that popped up in my search. Theres several more for 1975-1980.
<< <i>There's a dearth of unopened material to be had from the late 70's, and pent-up demand ready for absorption is off the charts. The perfect storm for what's transpiring right before our very eyes. >>
Remember the tulips. >>
I bought a 6 box 1979 rack case around 2006 for 2.5K (I believe), it is now, 7 years later probably north of 10K. This is over a 7 year period not 7 months. A comparable tulip bubble would put this case over 100K by next year. IMHO The price changes over the last couple years for 1970s unopened is just an accurate market adjustment due to the realization that the supply is thinner than we thought. The energy around 1980-85 is reasoned not speculative. People are trying to guage value with less information about the actual scarcity. So at this point we are all conjecturing. maybe some of the prices will re-adjust downward, perhaps some inevitably will. But where are the truly wild price swings that the naysayers are basing their warning on? >>
10K? Perhaps a conflict of interest here.
I did a little research and found that many of the recent 1979 spikes went to an eBay buyer of your screen name. Perhaps it is a fan, but I think you should fess up if this is true while you're trying to hype up what you are collecting.
I don't blame you for doing it, but if you were not buying, and instead selling, then where would the prices be at?
The first box doesn't have a pic of the packs. The only reasonably intelligent move on those is to purchase assuming they are resealed. I'm not saying they are for sure. I'm saying you're an idiot if you buy this box and have even a touch of disappointment if they arrive resealed. I'd bid a dollar on that box. No more.
To bigdcards: "you are right" - cpamike "That is correct" -grote15
I did a little research and found that many of the recent 1979 spikes went to an eBay buyer of your screen name. Perhaps it is a fan, but I think you should fess up if this is true while you're trying to hype up what you are collecting.
I don't blame you for doing it, but if you were not buying, and instead selling, then where would the prices be at? >>
This is what I've been saying all along (or was I just thinking it?).
Take the MintMoondog out of the equation and the 70's / early 80's unopened "market" looks quite different.
I did a little research and found that many of the recent 1979 spikes went to an eBay buyer of your screen name. Perhaps it is a fan, but I think you should fess up if this is true while you're trying to hype up what you are collecting.
I don't blame you for doing it, but if you were not buying, and instead selling, then where would the prices be at? >>
This is what I've been saying all along (or was I just thinking it?).
Take the MintMoondog out of the equation and the 70's / early 80's unopened "market" looks quite different. >>
I follow bidding activity pretty closely for 70s unopened product, and MMD bids pretty much exclusively on racks, very seldom on wax or cellos, which have also risen quite sharply in value over the past 18 months. And though he certainly does win his share of racks, it is not uncommon for him to be the underbidder, as well, with several other bidders at that price or higher for a particular item.
If anything, I'd say that Henry is more aggressive in the PSA graded card market for his registry sets than on unopened product, without question.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>There's a dearth of unopened material to be had from the late 70's, and pent-up demand ready for absorption is off the charts. The perfect storm for what's transpiring right before our very eyes. >>
Remember the tulips. >>
I bought a 6 box 1979 rack case around 2006 for 2.5K (I believe), it is now, 7 years later probably north of 10K. This is over a 7 year period not 7 months. A comparable tulip bubble would put this case over 100K by next year. IMHO The price changes over the last couple years for 1970s unopened is just an accurate market adjustment due to the realization that the supply is thinner than we thought. The energy around 1980-85 is reasoned not speculative. People are trying to guage value with less information about the actual scarcity. So at this point we are all conjecturing. maybe some of the prices will re-adjust downward, perhaps some inevitably will. But where are the truly wild price swings that the naysayers are basing their warning on? >>
10K? Perhaps a conflict of interest here.
I did a little research and found that many of the recent 1979 spikes went to an eBay buyer of your screen name. Perhaps it is a fan, but I think you should fess up if this is true while you're trying to hype up what you are collecting.
I don't blame you for doing it, but if you were not buying, and instead selling, then where would the prices be at? >>
Dude you don't have to "research" me - sheesh. Get a life. Everything I do is transparent. You can find all my sets on the registry and I don't hide anything. If you look at my registry sets I am trying to complete the decade and you'll see the one year I am short of is 1979 and bubblegumgirl has all the high grade cards - I refuse to deal with him. So recently I decided to load up on 1979s because I don't want to break my case. Racks give me the best chance at 9s and 10s. I broke around 20 1979 vending boxes and got crap. This is just a hobby for me and I don't churn or sell my collection. I am just sharing my views with no alternative motives with who I thought were just fellow collectors. So I explain the rationale for why I have been buying so heavily the past 5-7 years and somehow I MUST immediately be trying to manipulate the market? I am pretty well stocked up now on 80s and as I stated I figured it is better to buy at these prices after watching the 70s dry up. BTW if you believe my assessment of what the 6 box rack-case is valued at is wrong I would appreciate what the correct value is - there are 144 sealed racks in a 6-box case.
EDIT: realized that you just joined the board - I don't know if you are an alt but I'll let my explanation stand. I would love nothing more than to pay 30-50 per 1979 rack and see 10-20 for sale each week...
I did a little research and found that many of the recent 1979 spikes went to an eBay buyer of your screen name. Perhaps it is a fan, but I think you should fess up if this is true while you're trying to hype up what you are collecting.
I don't blame you for doing it, but if you were not buying, and instead selling, then where would the prices be at? >>
This is what I've been saying all along (or was I just thinking it?).
Take the MintMoondog out of the equation and the 70's / early 80's unopened "market" looks quite different. >>
Maurice, that is my point as well, take Hatch out of 1978, take Czar (now Hill collection) out of 1977, and take BBG out of 1979...so if there are warehouses of this stuff, how can any 1 guy who really likes to buy the stuff affect anything? My point has always been the float in 1970s was much thinner than we realized. Also, I am a collector not an investor. When you guys talk value I am just giving an investor's perspective. The guys at BBCE say that the "vacuum cleaners" are 12-15 people deep and most of the stuff they buy never hits the website. You give me much too much credit. I am just the idiot willing to talk about it openly. My bad.
Has anyone bought any unopened for that seller before?? I asked awhile ago and no one answered. But I bought some unopened boxes that he puts in his 'wrapper' with his sticker on the bottom like BBCE & I opened 2 boxes and there was nothing in either boxes or rack packs. Matbe a odd thing nothing in all I opened but just asking
I won't buy a single box on Ebay as there are too many issues for me to deal with. You have sellers who are dishonest who repackage this stuff and clueless sellers who ship you a 1983 Topps case with a stamp on the box.
DodgerfanJohn - Are you serious about those links? That stuff is worthless and very questionable.
Looking for high grade rookie cards and unopened boxes/cases
<< <i>I won't buy a single box on Ebay as there are too many issues for me to deal with. You have sellers who are dishonest who repackage this stuff and clueless sellers who ship you a 1983 Topps case with a stamp on the box.
DodgerfanJohn - Are you serious about those links? That stuff is worthless and very questionable. >>
Don't bother DodgerfanJohn with questions like that. He had a point to make.
I did a little research and found that many of the recent 1979 spikes went to an eBay buyer of your screen name. Perhaps it is a fan, but I think you should fess up if this is true while you're trying to hype up what you are collecting.
I don't blame you for doing it, but if you were not buying, and instead selling, then where would the prices be at? >>
This is what I've been saying all along (or was I just thinking it?).
Take the MintMoondog out of the equation and the 70's / early 80's unopened "market" looks quite different. >>
Maurice, that is my point as well, take Hatch out of 1978, take Czar (now Hill collection) out of 1977, and take BBG out of 1979...so if there are warehouses of this stuff, how can any 1 guy who really likes to buy the stuff affect anything? My point has always been the float in 1970s was much thinner than we realized. Also, I am a collector not an investor. When you guys talk value I am just giving an investor's perspective. The guys at BBCE say that the "vacuum cleaners" are 12-15 people deep and most of the stuff they buy never hits the website. You give me much too much credit. I am just the idiot willing to talk about it openly. My bad. >>
I did a little research and found that many of the recent 1979 spikes went to an eBay buyer of your screen name. Perhaps it is a fan, but I think you should fess up if this is true while you're trying to hype up what you are collecting.
I don't blame you for doing it, but if you were not buying, and instead selling, then where would the prices be at? >>
This is what I've been saying all along (or was I just thinking it?).
Take the MintMoondog out of the equation and the 70's / early 80's unopened "market" looks quite different. >>
Maurice, that is my point as well, take Hatch out of 1978, take Czar (now Hill collection) out of 1977, and take BBG out of 1979...so if there are warehouses of this stuff, how can any 1 guy who really likes to buy the stuff affect anything? My point has always been the float in 1970s was much thinner than we realized. Also, I am a collector not an investor. When you guys talk value I am just giving an investor's perspective. The guys at BBCE say that the "vacuum cleaners" are 12-15 people deep and most of the stuff they buy never hits the website. You give me much too much credit. I am just the idiot willing to talk about it openly. My bad. >>
Shilling? >>
Yup! You nailed it genius!, Unfortunately, I am the worst shiller in the history of auctions because I only snipe not chip bid, and I keep winning...hmmm can you enlighten me how I can be an auction winning shiller who uses snipe functions almost exclusively? And I keep trying to shill BINs of cards I need, but somehow, I keep having to buy them...hmmm, can someone help me here? Wasn't it you who OPed a thread asking whether it was cool to chip-bid a person up just because you could?
Wasn't it you who OPed a thread asking whether it was cool to chip-bid a person up just because you could?
The irony of that fact is quite hilarious, actually, LOL!!
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>I was saying you are potentially a victim of shill bidding, not being a shill. >>
I would agree with this. In many of those rack auctions 3 bidders (feedback of 58797, 1021 and 29) all bid up the same winner incrementally rarely bidding to win at the end like anyone who actually wanted to win while spending the least would do.
<< <i>I was saying you are potentially a victim of shill bidding, not being a shill. >>
I would agree with this. In many of those rack auctions 3 bidders (feedback of 58797, 1021 and 29) all bid up the same winner incrementally rarely bidding to win at the end like anyone who actually wanted to win while spending the least would do. >>
Not all bidders snipe or wait till the last second to bid. Just because you think that is the proper way to bid doesn't make it so. And it certainly doesn't mean you can assume that it is just cause for saying someone is shilling.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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The fact that its not selling, even with BIN OBO and in some cases BBCE wrapping indicates there is on fact a current ceiling and is probably not much more than current BBCE pricing. >>
Links please? Trying to find 1975-1979 unopened boxes at anywhere near a reasonable price. Thanks. >>
Who said anything about a reasonable price? I only claimed theres a ceiling(IE prices don't rise to infinity in any given market). BIN items not selling means theres a ceiling somewhere between the auctions ending prices and the BIN price. These are just the first three boxes that popped up in my search. Theres several more for 1975-1980.
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Remember the tulips. >>
I bought a 6 box 1979 rack case around 2006 for 2.5K (I believe), it is now, 7 years later probably north of 10K. This is over a 7 year period not 7 months. A comparable tulip bubble would put this case over 100K by next year. IMHO The price changes over the last couple years for 1970s unopened is just an accurate market adjustment due to the realization that the supply is thinner than we thought. The energy around 1980-85 is reasoned not speculative. People are trying to guage value with less information about the actual scarcity. So at this point we are all conjecturing. maybe some of the prices will re-adjust downward, perhaps some inevitably will. But where are the truly wild price swings that the naysayers are basing their warning on? >>
10K? Perhaps a conflict of interest here.
I did a little research and found that many of the recent 1979 spikes went to an eBay buyer of your screen name. Perhaps it is a fan, but I think you should fess up if this is true while you're trying to hype up what you are collecting.
I don't blame you for doing it, but if you were not buying, and instead selling, then where would the prices be at?
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The first box doesn't have a pic of the packs. The only reasonably intelligent move on those is to purchase assuming they are resealed. I'm not saying they are for sure. I'm saying you're an idiot if you buy this box and have even a touch of disappointment if they arrive resealed. I'd bid a dollar on that box. No more.
<< <i>10K? Perhaps a conflict of interest here.
I did a little research and found that many of the recent 1979 spikes went to an eBay buyer of your screen name. Perhaps it is a fan, but I think you should fess up if this is true while you're trying to hype up what you are collecting.
I don't blame you for doing it, but if you were not buying, and instead selling, then where would the prices be at? >>
This is what I've been saying all along (or was I just thinking it?).
Take the MintMoondog out of the equation and the 70's / early 80's unopened "market" looks quite different.
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<< <i>10K? Perhaps a conflict of interest here.
I did a little research and found that many of the recent 1979 spikes went to an eBay buyer of your screen name. Perhaps it is a fan, but I think you should fess up if this is true while you're trying to hype up what you are collecting.
I don't blame you for doing it, but if you were not buying, and instead selling, then where would the prices be at? >>
This is what I've been saying all along (or was I just thinking it?).
Take the MintMoondog out of the equation and the 70's / early 80's unopened "market" looks quite different. >>
I follow bidding activity pretty closely for 70s unopened product, and MMD bids pretty much exclusively on racks, very seldom on wax or cellos, which have also risen quite sharply in value over the past 18 months. And though he certainly does win his share of racks, it is not uncommon for him to be the underbidder, as well, with several other bidders at that price or higher for a particular item.
If anything, I'd say that Henry is more aggressive in the PSA graded card market for his registry sets than on unopened product, without question.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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<< <i>There's a dearth of unopened material to be had from the late 70's, and pent-up demand ready for absorption is off the charts. The perfect storm for what's transpiring right before our very eyes. >>
Remember the tulips. >>
I bought a 6 box 1979 rack case around 2006 for 2.5K (I believe), it is now, 7 years later probably north of 10K. This is over a 7 year period not 7 months. A comparable tulip bubble would put this case over 100K by next year. IMHO The price changes over the last couple years for 1970s unopened is just an accurate market adjustment due to the realization that the supply is thinner than we thought. The energy around 1980-85 is reasoned not speculative. People are trying to guage value with less information about the actual scarcity. So at this point we are all conjecturing. maybe some of the prices will re-adjust downward, perhaps some inevitably will. But where are the truly wild price swings that the naysayers are basing their warning on? >>
10K? Perhaps a conflict of interest here.
I did a little research and found that many of the recent 1979 spikes went to an eBay buyer of your screen name. Perhaps it is a fan, but I think you should fess up if this is true while you're trying to hype up what you are collecting.
I don't blame you for doing it, but if you were not buying, and instead selling, then where would the prices be at? >>
Dude you don't have to "research" me - sheesh. Get a life. Everything I do is transparent. You can find all my sets on the registry and I don't hide anything. If you look at my registry sets I am trying to complete the decade and you'll see the one year I am short of is 1979 and bubblegumgirl has all the high grade cards - I refuse to deal with him. So recently I decided to load up on 1979s because I don't want to break my case. Racks give me the best chance at 9s and 10s. I broke around 20 1979 vending boxes and got crap. This is just a hobby for me and I don't churn or sell my collection. I am just sharing my views with no alternative motives with who I thought were just fellow collectors. So I explain the rationale for why I have been buying so heavily the past 5-7 years and somehow I MUST immediately be trying to manipulate the market? I am pretty well stocked up now on 80s and as I stated I figured it is better to buy at these prices after watching the 70s dry up. BTW if you believe my assessment of what the 6 box rack-case is valued at is wrong I would appreciate what the correct value is - there are 144 sealed racks in a 6-box case.
EDIT: realized that you just joined the board - I don't know if you are an alt but I'll let my explanation stand. I would love nothing more than to pay 30-50 per 1979 rack and see 10-20 for sale each week...
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<< <i>10K? Perhaps a conflict of interest here.
I did a little research and found that many of the recent 1979 spikes went to an eBay buyer of your screen name. Perhaps it is a fan, but I think you should fess up if this is true while you're trying to hype up what you are collecting.
I don't blame you for doing it, but if you were not buying, and instead selling, then where would the prices be at? >>
This is what I've been saying all along (or was I just thinking it?).
Take the MintMoondog out of the equation and the 70's / early 80's unopened "market" looks quite different. >>
Maurice, that is my point as well, take Hatch out of 1978, take Czar (now Hill collection) out of 1977, and take BBG out of 1979...so if there are warehouses of this stuff, how can any 1 guy who really likes to buy the stuff affect anything? My point has always been the float in 1970s was much thinner than we realized. Also, I am a collector not an investor. When you guys talk value I am just giving an investor's perspective. The guys at BBCE say that the "vacuum cleaners" are 12-15 people deep and most of the stuff they buy never hits the website. You give me much too much credit. I am just the idiot willing to talk about it openly. My bad.
ALL MY PSA SETS
DodgerfanJohn - Are you serious about those links? That stuff is worthless and very questionable.
<< <i>I won't buy a single box on Ebay as there are too many issues for me to deal with. >>
i f'n love buying unopened on eBay. it's my new favorite extreme sport. high risk, but oh, what a rush. like zip-lining over an active volcano.
<< <i>I won't buy a single box on Ebay as there are too many issues for me to deal with. You have sellers who are dishonest who repackage this stuff and clueless sellers who ship you a 1983 Topps case with a stamp on the box.
DodgerfanJohn - Are you serious about those links? That stuff is worthless and very questionable. >>
Don't bother DodgerfanJohn with questions like that. He had a point to make.
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<< <i>10K? Perhaps a conflict of interest here.
I did a little research and found that many of the recent 1979 spikes went to an eBay buyer of your screen name. Perhaps it is a fan, but I think you should fess up if this is true while you're trying to hype up what you are collecting.
I don't blame you for doing it, but if you were not buying, and instead selling, then where would the prices be at? >>
This is what I've been saying all along (or was I just thinking it?).
Take the MintMoondog out of the equation and the 70's / early 80's unopened "market" looks quite different. >>
Maurice, that is my point as well, take Hatch out of 1978, take Czar (now Hill collection) out of 1977, and take BBG out of 1979...so if there are warehouses of this stuff, how can any 1 guy who really likes to buy the stuff affect anything? My point has always been the float in 1970s was much thinner than we realized. Also, I am a collector not an investor. When you guys talk value I am just giving an investor's perspective. The guys at BBCE say that the "vacuum cleaners" are 12-15 people deep and most of the stuff they buy never hits the website. You give me much too much credit. I am just the idiot willing to talk about it openly. My bad. >>
Shilling?
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<< <i>10K? Perhaps a conflict of interest here.
I did a little research and found that many of the recent 1979 spikes went to an eBay buyer of your screen name. Perhaps it is a fan, but I think you should fess up if this is true while you're trying to hype up what you are collecting.
I don't blame you for doing it, but if you were not buying, and instead selling, then where would the prices be at? >>
This is what I've been saying all along (or was I just thinking it?).
Take the MintMoondog out of the equation and the 70's / early 80's unopened "market" looks quite different. >>
Maurice, that is my point as well, take Hatch out of 1978, take Czar (now Hill collection) out of 1977, and take BBG out of 1979...so if there are warehouses of this stuff, how can any 1 guy who really likes to buy the stuff affect anything? My point has always been the float in 1970s was much thinner than we realized. Also, I am a collector not an investor. When you guys talk value I am just giving an investor's perspective. The guys at BBCE say that the "vacuum cleaners" are 12-15 people deep and most of the stuff they buy never hits the website. You give me much too much credit. I am just the idiot willing to talk about it openly. My bad. >>
Shilling? >>
Yup! You nailed it genius!, Unfortunately, I am the worst shiller in the history of auctions because I only snipe not chip bid, and I keep winning...hmmm can you enlighten me how I can be an auction winning shiller who uses snipe functions almost exclusively? And I keep trying to shill BINs of cards I need, but somehow, I keep having to buy them...hmmm, can someone help me here? Wasn't it you who OPed a thread asking whether it was cool to chip-bid a person up just because you could?
The irony of that fact is quite hilarious, actually, LOL!!
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>I was saying you are potentially a victim of shill bidding, not being a shill. >>
I would agree with this. In many of those rack auctions 3 bidders (feedback of 58797, 1021 and 29) all bid up the same winner incrementally rarely bidding to win at the end like anyone who actually wanted to win while spending the least would do.
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<< <i>I was saying you are potentially a victim of shill bidding, not being a shill. >>
I would agree with this. In many of those rack auctions 3 bidders (feedback of 58797, 1021 and 29) all bid up the same winner incrementally rarely bidding to win at the end like anyone who actually wanted to win while spending the least would do. >>
Not all bidders snipe or wait till the last second to bid. Just because you think that is the proper way to bid doesn't make it so. And it certainly doesn't mean you can assume that it is just cause for saying someone is shilling.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.