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counterfeit/plated bullion on ebay - report this guy

derrybderryb Posts: 36,825 ✭✭✭✭✭
in Precious Metals
Over 100 listings coming from Britain

Violations include counterfeit plated coins and bars, listing plated bullion, listing copy coins that are not even marked copy. At least he's honest in his description but chances are his buyer will not be so honest when he reslists. All of his listing violate at least one ebay coin policy. Ebay does not allow plated bullion. This seller's items will be returning to ebay under new sellers for a long time to come. He is a root source of the problem, probably buying from China.

Simple ebay report form, list up to 10 items (same violation) separated by comma and a space

"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

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  • piecesofmepiecesofme Posts: 6,669 ✭✭✭
    I thought eBay was no longer allowing pictures with advertising in it either, like the way this seller has *sellz*it* at the bottom of every picture? That's another violation.
    To forgive is to free a prisoner, and to discover that prisoner was you.
  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,825 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's a picture watermark of his ebay ID to protect from theft of pictures. Allowed by ebay.

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • piecesofmepiecesofme Posts: 6,669 ✭✭✭
    That is going away soon. You're right, allowed now, but sometime in Oct. (I think) that will no longer be allowed. If I had the time, I'd look it up, I got an eBay announcement email about it
    To forgive is to free a prisoner, and to discover that prisoner was you.
  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,825 ✭✭✭✭✭
    let's focus on what's currently not allowed, his 104 bogus gold listings.

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,121 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have reported literally dozens of questionable and fraudulent auctions coming from UK sellers w/o any actions ever being taken, especially by that same seller. It appears that eBay USA has no say what UK auctions will allow. Good luck.
    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,825 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Using my attached report form will get them to ebay's Judith who has acted on UK listings for me in the past. Maybe she has a counterpart in the UK she deals with or maybe she has the power to nuke 'em. Mentioning in the report that he has a very large number of listing violations will probably help. The word counterfeit also motivates ebay.

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • piecesofmepiecesofme Posts: 6,669 ✭✭✭
    let's focus on what's currently not allowed, his 104 bogus gold listings.

    role reversal is a b---h, isnt it? image
    To forgive is to free a prisoner, and to discover that prisoner was you.
  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,825 ✭✭✭✭✭
    image

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • piecesofmepiecesofme Posts: 6,669 ✭✭✭
    compromise is a beautiful thing when reached amongst 2 people that ultimately do respect one another image
    He knows, that's all that matters.
    To forgive is to free a prisoner, and to discover that prisoner was you.
  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,121 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Using my attached report form will get them to ebay's Judith who has acted on UK listings for me in the past. Maybe she has a counterpart in the UK she deals with or maybe she has the power to nuke 'em. Mentioning in the report that he has a very large number of listing violations will probably help. The word counterfeit also motivates ebay. >>



    Judith is the only person left in ccw & she doesn't work on weekends. Again, good luck.
    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,825 ✭✭✭✭✭
    image

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • WeissWeiss Posts: 9,941 ✭✭✭✭✭
    FWIW, reporting an item is simple.

    There is a link about half-way down on the right side, beneath and to the right of the "eBay Buyer Protection" shield. From there you're asked why this item should be reported from a series of pull down menus. I chose:

    Report Category
    Prohibited and restricted items

    Reason for Report
    Stamps, Currency, and Coins

    Detailed Reason
    Replica Coins, replica paper money, and replica stamps

    From there you just hit enter and verify the auction number.
    We are like children who look at print and see a serpent in the last letter but one, and a sword in the last.
    --Severian the Lame
  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,825 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>FWIW, reporting an item is simple.

    There is a link about half-way down on the right side, beneath and to the right of the "eBay Buyer Protection" shield. From there you're asked why this item should be reported from a series of pull down menus. I chose:

    Report Category
    Prohibited and restricted items

    Reason for Report
    Stamps, Currency, and Coins

    Detailed Reason
    Replica Coins, replica paper money, and replica stamps

    From there you just hit enter and verify the auction number. >>



    This one is much, much simpler.

    Requires only an item number and policy violation. Up to ten item numbers can be given (separated by a comma and a space) provided they all have the same policy violation entered into the description. The up to ten items do not even have to be from the same seller. If a seller has more than ten violations, I usually give a couple of his item numbers and make a comment in the violation block "many other similar violations by this seller."

    Unlike the standard reporting method you outline above, this method has no drop down boxes to choose from and this form goes directly to a coin, currency and stamp specialist (familiar with ebay's policies) for action. If that specialist needs further guidance on making a decision, he/she has direct contact with ebay's Coin Watch Group made up of numismatic professionals who provide further guidance on the reported violation.

    This link is hard to find, I keep it saved in my "Ebay" folder as a favorite.

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,764 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Reported, if it helps.

    bob
    Registry: CC lowballs (boblindstrom), bobinvegas1989@yahoo.com
  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,121 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I thought eBay was no longer allowing pictures with advertising in it either, like the way this seller has *sellz*it* at the bottom of every picture? That's another violation. >>



    Not a violation, but an option when listing your item directly from eBay's site. All of my auctions have my eBay i.d. on the bottom of my scans. Not sure if it is available if you use Turbo Lister or some other Lister. It eliminates the "stolen scan" problem.
    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 28,335 ✭✭✭✭✭
    reported fwiw. let them sort it out.
  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,121 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lets see if anyone has better luck in reporting this seller, than I had over the years. I'd like to see him and all the rest of the UK sellers that peddle this sh_t on eBay get their just reward.
    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
  • WeissWeiss Posts: 9,941 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice, derryb image
    We are like children who look at print and see a serpent in the last letter but one, and a sword in the last.
    --Severian the Lame
  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,121 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Once again, no action so far by ccw. I suspect it's legal in the UK to sell this junk as long as the description indicates it's plated and not solid gold. image
    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,825 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Once again, no action so far by ccw. I suspect it's legal in the UK to sell this junk as long as the description indicates it's plated and not solid gold. image >>


    I believe ebay coin, currency and stamp policy applies to all ebay listings. And if not, as a minimum applies to ebay US listings such as this seller's listings regardless of where they originate.

    From the coin policy:
    Replica coins aren't allowed.
    Replica, plated, or clad bullion isn't allowed.
    You can list gold-plated jewelry and other items sold for scrap within the Coins & Paper Money > Bullion > Gold > Scrap and Recovered Gold category, if they are accurately described.

    I am surprised there has been no action taken on these listings.

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,121 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Once again, no action so far by ccw. I suspect it's legal in the UK to sell this junk as long as the description indicates it's plated and not solid gold. image >>


    I believe ebay coin, currency and stamp policy applies to all ebay listings. And if not, as a minimum applies to ebay US listings such as this seller's listings regardless of where they originate.

    From the coin policy:
    Replica coins aren't allowed.
    Replica, plated, or clad bullion isn't allowed.
    You can list gold-plated jewelry and other items sold for scrap within the Coins & Paper Money > Bullion > Gold > Scrap and Recovered Gold category, if they are accurately described.

    I am surprised there has been no action taken on these listings. >>



    No one is disputing the above review. However, I suspect it does not apply to non U.S. based sellers, even when they ship "worldwide."
    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,121 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I emailed Judith for an explanation, why the scammer in the title is immune from eBay's policy. I'm hoping to get a response.
    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,825 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I reported his plated US gold eagles as counterfeit. Can't see where that would be allowed regardless of where they are being sold from.

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,121 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I reported his plated US gold eagles as counterfeit. Can't see where that would be allowed regardless of where they are being sold from. >>



    I did the same several days ago...weeks ago...month ago...years ago.
    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,825 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Maybe they can only be nuked by ebay UK? if so, that's a big loophole in the system.

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,121 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I went on the UK ebay website: ebay.co.uk
    and reported the K'Rands & AGE's....one at a time
    let's see if that does any good.
    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,825 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I went on the UK ebay website: ebay.co.uk
    and reported the K'Rands & AGE's....one at a time
    let's see if that does any good. >>


    Reported all his plated bullion there as well:

    EBay UK prohibited coin items:
    Replica coins
    Replica, plated or clad bullion
    Counterfeit coins
    Counterfeit banknotes
    Novelty banknotes
    Counterfeit bonds
    Counterfeit money orders
    Counterfeit securities
    Equipment used to make counterfeit items

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,121 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Forget about it....It appears eBay will not act on UK sellers peddling this junk. No action by eBay as of this AM.
    Same as my previous results that I've had with this seller.
    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,121 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Judith came through....Thanks to everyone especially derryb

    Thanks for reporting this listing to us.



    I just became aware of this seller today and removed all of his active listings. There was a thread about this seller on the CU board that I was directed to.



    We appreciate your help in keeping eBay a safe and reputable forum to conduct business.



    Sincerely,



    Judith

    Coin and Stamp Policy Specialist

    eBay Customer Service


    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,764 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks Judith, but why are they still up?

    bob
    Registry: CC lowballs (boblindstrom), bobinvegas1989@yahoo.com
  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,121 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Thanks Judith, but why are they still up?

    bob >>



    18 brand new ones....reported, along with 2 other UK sellers listing similar junk plated stuff.
    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,121 ✭✭✭✭✭
    All gone.....great job...Judith.image
    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
  • piecesofmepiecesofme Posts: 6,669 ✭✭✭
    I bet Judith is a very busy person with all the fakes that are hopefully being reported on eBay.
    She deserves a raise and/or hire at least one more person to help her out with it all, she's gotta be swamped.
    To forgive is to free a prisoner, and to discover that prisoner was you.
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