Review Worthy? Clemente 1964 Topps PSA 8

Loyalty32

I have the card below incoming. Is it worth sending in for a review in hopes of bump? I appreciate your time and opinions in advance!

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Craig

Foo3112

I saw that card on eBay. Glad a board member got it but I don't believe this will get a bump.

Loyalty32

Foo3112 - Thanks. It was a true impulse purchase. I caught it with about 2 minutes left and for some reason, I just had to have it.

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Craig

Raulsmaster

Nice solid 8 nonetheless. I have to agree though, looks about right

Loyalty32

Raulsmaster - I appreciate it!

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Craig

JoeBanzai

I have found that white bordered cards like this can get a higher grade than the colored bordered cards.

PSA looks at cards cards quite quickly and might miss a slightly worn corner on a white border.

The scan you provide is pretty good, but a larger scan would be helpful.

Certainly could bump to an 8.5 with that centering.

Good luck!

gemint

I think the wear that shows on the lower left corner on the scan of the reverse will keep it from bumping. They're pretty picky with HOF bumps. I have a 1961 Clemente that looks gem except that it has a very mild corner push-up that is barely detectable even under 10x loupe. Yet they still won't even give it an 8.5.

Loyalty32

JoeBanzai - I appreciate the info. I assume it's best to crack and sub rather than submit it as is?

gemint - That was the first thing that I seen when I looked at the back scan. Good luck on that '61 if you keep trying!

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Craig

RonBurgundy

Joe & I had a nice conversation about bumps at the National. He indicated what the card needs to be in reality is closer to the higher grade than the lower grade - in other words, a 7.75 or 8.75 quality to earn the .5 bump. A great guideline to consider when looking at cards to bump.

I think what you have here is a very nice 8.

Loyalty32

RonBurgundy - Good info. Makes perfect sense. I appreciate it.

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Craig

gemint

<< <i>Joe & I had a nice conversation about bumps at the National. He indicated what the card needs to be in reality is closer to the higher grade than the lower grade - in other words, a 7.75 or 8.75 quality to earn the .5 bump. A great guideline to consider when looking at cards to bump.

I think what you have here is a very nice 8. >>



And this still makes no sense to me. If PSA is going to have .5 grades, make them .5 grades like SGC. Otherwise, call them an 8.75. It does explain why I get subs back with 40% 9s, 50% 8s and 10% 8.5s. There's a very narrow window for .5 subs. I wonder how many of these cards would also just bump a full grade if cracked and resubbed since they are so close to the next higher grade.

Mickey71

Keep it as is. While I don't doubt it's an 8.......I don't see anything particularly high end to warrant a bump. The centering on the front is nice and makes it a decent 8. The overall bad eye appeal on the reverse closes the deal for no .5

The reason I stress the reverse on this card; is when it's centered with bright orange it is really special.

CarlosDanger

Does it have to make sense? It's their company, they can do it however they like.

JoeBanzai

Again, I would prefer to see a larger clearer scan. Back corner does look bad, but depending on grader, you MIGHT get a bump. If paper is still there, you might be able to push it back in place, but if there is a piece of the back paper missing, no matter how small, you might not get a higher grade.

I would crack it out if you want to take a chance on a bump. I don't see it dropping a grade, but you never know. I am assuming the difference between an 8 and a 9 is HUGE!

Good luck!

JoeBanzai

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<< <i>Joe & I had a nice conversation about bumps at the National. He indicated what the card needs to be in reality is closer to the higher grade than the lower grade - in other words, a 7.75 or 8.75 quality to earn the .5 bump. A great guideline to consider when looking at cards to bump. >>



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So, if I send in a card graded an 8 that I think is a potential 9 and the grader thinks its between an 8.4 and an 8.6 it DOESN"T get a bump to 8.5? You have to be kidding me!

This is ridiculous! So now your card has to be a 7.75 to get a 7.5? For goodness sake, if it's a 7.26 it should get a 7.5. Don't people have any idea how BASIC math works anymore? Let's not bring MORE subjectivity to TPG.

JoeBanzai

<< <i>Does it have to make sense? It's their company, they can do it however they like. >>



Yes, it's their company, absolutely! A company that loses the confidence of it's customers is in trouble.

As a customer paying them for a service, I would want them to make sense. If you have a company that measures things you should try to get the measurement correct.

It would explain how so many people say crack it out and forget about reviews. A crack out has a better chance of getting a correct grade, if this is true.

Loyalty32

I appreciate the insight and opinions folks. Always some great information here!

Thanks
Craig

heritage

Great card congrats on a sweet pickup. But I do agree with the others it is a psa 8.
If I was you I would just enjoy it the way it is.

TheMick6

Beautiful Clemente, the centering alone would help it draw a slight premium in my opinion but I'd have to agree about the back corner. A solid nice 8

Loyalty32

Thanks guys!
Craig

WinPitcher

I think 8 is as high as it can get, the reverse cartoon is showing.


Nice card!

cpettimd

Here is a 1964 mays in PSA 8.5 for comparison purposes. The Clemente appears to be a nice 8.

Raulsmaster

Hell, I'd consider the Mays for a bump to a 9. Never know on surface though...

Foo3112

8 and 8.5 are night and day

Raulsmaster

It's true. Look at Jeter SP's

TheMick6

Better overall reverse and its night and day on the corners between them two awesome cards though have always loved that mays my favorite from the 60's of him

Baez578

I'd say you have a solid 8 to 8.5

Take a look at this 9 on eBay. Not mine

Clemente 9

TheMick6

Not that I disagree with that 9 but I wouldn't call that 50/50 centering? Just me I guess the centering is better on the eight no tilt.

Cakes

<< <i>Does it have to make sense? It's their company, they can do it however they like. >>



This I respectfully don't understand. Since it's their company we can't discuss their processes? This isn't China.

Foo3112

This I respectfully don't understand. Since it's their company we can't discuss their processes? This isn't China.

Try not to get yourself worked up over an alt.

Mickey71

Steve brought up something about the cartoon. I've never gotten a straight forward answer as to how these types of cards are affected by the cartoon being rubbed.....ie 1958 Topps Football.

Example.....a NM-MT sharp 1958 football common with a rubbed cartoon will grade a PSA 6???? This is what the few I have submitted have graded.

Cakes

<< <i>This I respectfully don't understand. Since it's their company we can't discuss their processes? This isn't China.

Try not to get yourself worked up over an alt. >>



Good looking out, thanks Foo

Baez578

<< <i>Not that I disagree with that 9 but I wouldn't call that 50/50 centering? Just me I guess the centering is better on the eight no tilt. >>



Good point... I can see that being bumped down to an 8.5 as well