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PROOF Mint Error ..... 2007 Thomas Jefferson Dollar Struck in Scrap PF69 Ultra Cameo

ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
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I was looking at listings on the internet and noticed this really cool proof error coin that I recognized. I saw it at a show in Al Levy's Inventory a year or so before he passed. RIP Al.

Now our own goodmoney4badmoney is auctioning off this piece which I want. (the really funny thing is that when he listed the coin, he thought of me and that I might bid on it)

I win the coin and I am extremely happy with it as it is super cool and super rare.

This coin goes into my son's birth year error coin collection which is extremely nice considering the modern date.

This is a very large major error for a proof coin …

PROOF 2007 Thomas Jefferson Dollar Struck in Scrap Mint Error PF69 Ultra Cameo



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    coinsarefuncoinsarefun Posts: 21,666 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That is sick cool !!!!


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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,564 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yikes! That IS major!
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    keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,456 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wow, that coin had issues!
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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Very cool..congratulations....Cheers, RickO
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    AMRCAMRC Posts: 4,266 ✭✭✭✭✭
    In a proof set no less. Those are supposed to be inspected! Quite a find.
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    ConstantineConstantine Posts: 2,351 ✭✭✭
    Amazing that is a proof. Not like the millions that plop into bags, that one got inspected!
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    goodmoney4badmoneygoodmoney4badmoney Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭✭
    I've been waiting to see your photo, and it looks great!
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    ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I've been waiting to see your photo, and it looks great! >>



    Thank you and thank you very much for the coin.

    I had always regretted not buying it from Al.
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    ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Amazing that is a proof. Not like the millions that plop into bags, that one got inspected! >>



    Exactly, and this one is so large.

    Could be the only one (proof) in the series and I'll bet for sure it's the largest image
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    ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I forgot to mention that both the seller and I agree that NGC got this one wrong with the struck in designation

    It is actually a rolled in error, that is the metal was rolled in the sheet of dollar stock before the blank planchet was punched.
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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,564 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I forgot to mention that both the seller and I agree that NGC got this one wrong with the struck in designation

    It is actually a rolled in error, that is the metal was rolled in the sheet of dollar stock before the blank planchet was punched. >>



    I am not sure of that. The way the arc ends at the rims makes me think the arc was above the surface before the upsetting process. Will study it some more.
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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,564 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yeah, I have to think that if that arc had been rolled into the planchet strip prior to the blanking, the ends of the arc would simply end where the planchet ended. With all that distortion, it was there after blanking and before upsetting.
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    tincuptincup Posts: 4,785 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Proof error coins are tough to find, and a major one at that. Nice coin!
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    messydeskmessydesk Posts: 19,705 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That's cool! I approve.
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    errormavenerrormaven Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭
    If the embedded matter is reasonably thick and of approximately the same density as the coin, then you should be able to use weight to discriminate between a piece of rolled-in scrap and a piece of struck-in scrap. If it was rolled-in, the coin will weigh approximately the same as a normal coin. If it was struck in, then the coin will be heavier than a normal coin.

    Generally, rolled-in scrap splits the clad layer, exposing some of the copper core on either side. Since the core is not exposed, I would think this has been struck into the coin.
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    ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thank you Mike and Tom (with your first impression), and upon closer inspection I think I agree with your assessment.

    I was more focused on the struck they wood error. BTW, what do you think of it?

    I am very interested in yours and Fred's confirmation.
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    crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 13,821 ✭✭✭✭✭
    WOW!! That's huge!!
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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,564 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Thank you Mike and Tom (with your first impression), and upon closer inspection I think I agree with your assessment.

    I was more focused on the struck they wood error. BTW, what do you think of it?

    I am very interested in yours and Fred's confirmation. >>



    I like them both! But the Proof has to be the tougher coin.
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    WoodenJeffersonWoodenJefferson Posts: 6,491 ✭✭✭✭
    Wow! Another dramatic error. It was mentioned how can a coin like this get past the inspectors and into a proof package? Good question. Although they do not receive the scrutiny of say an proof SAE, gold or platinum coin, they still get a cursory look see and this one was simply missed, an error of an error.
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    johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 27,523 ✭✭✭✭✭
    way cool
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    nwcoastnwcoast Posts: 2,845 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Amazing find!
    Congratulations and super image

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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,911 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Awesome looking coins. These are some very interesting Presidential Dollars you've been posting image
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    19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,475 ✭✭✭✭
    Way Cool! Congrats on a super neat error! image
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    goodmoney4badmoneygoodmoney4badmoney Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭✭
    My reasoning for thinking it was rolled in is because the scrap piece is exactly the diameter of the coin and abruptly ends at the rims. Additionally the scrap piece has fully the appearance of a proof planchet on the unstruck areas, even where copper is exposed. This is why I think it was rolled in the strip and then punched and prepared as a proof planchet with the piece intact.
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    Neca63Neca63 Posts: 350
    The U.S Mint does not make mistakes.
    Good thing huh.
    Neat coin.
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    FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I had a very similar piece on a Proof
    President, except the piece fit into the
    void on the coin, and lifted up very easily.

    The shape was very close to this one.

    It was 'struck in', not rolled in, imo, because
    the whole nice piece popped right off the coin's
    surface, very easily.

    I sold it at the ANA in Philadelphia 3 years ago.

    It was a Madison, I believe, but I'm not sure.
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    guitarwesguitarwes Posts: 9,240 ✭✭✭
    Why do all my Proof sets have to be stinkin' perfect?!!?!?! image
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    StuartStuart Posts: 9,761 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A very interesting proof error coin. Thanks for sharing the coin and the background story with us.

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    TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭
    wow, neat
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    johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 27,523 ✭✭✭✭✭
    thats a wicked cool score. wtg image
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    johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 27,523 ✭✭✭✭✭
    double post sorry.

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