<< <i>why would BBCE even post this? Whats the purpose? To 'out' the seller in a whiney way?? >>
Their Facebook posts are often bashes of sellers whose deals with BBCE didn't work out. Their Facebook postings don't exactly put BBCE in the best light at all times, that's for sure.
<< <i>SCT- do you really have to get into it with everybody in every thread and then argue your point ad nauseum until nobody cares anymore but you? It's kind of pathetic. >>
Get into what with who. lol It's just a general discussion on the thread topic. I think you need to relax.
You've disagreed with almost everybody in this thread at some point and are constantly telling people to relax, which is pretty ironic since you seem to be the only one even slightly adamant about anything here. Read the tone of everybody else's posts, then read yours. Ask yourself who really comes off as caring the most about whatever inane topic is being discussed.
<< <i>You've disagreed with almost everybody in this thread at some point and are constantly telling people to relax, which is pretty ironic since you seem to be the only one even slightly adamant about anything here. Read the tone of everybody else's posts, then read yours. Ask yourself who really comes off as caring the most about whatever inane topic is being discussed. >>
Is "almost everybody" the two people I was having a civil discussion with? You have issues. I'm sorry I hurt your feelings the other day, but attacking me for no reason only looks bad for YOU. Carry on though. I don't care about some idiot carrying a grudge on a message board.
You (few) guys who question the business ethics of BBCE, who call loyal customers of a fair and honest business "sheep" and who complain about Reed providing entertaining unabashed insight into the daily goings-on of what would be a fantasy job for many around here keep it up please...
1 - not trying to get a rise out anyone...I dont play kiddy games like that
2 - ( some of ) the people who 'are ok with them' would buy a box of 1988 Donruss as long as it has a BBCE wrapping on it and was told by them that its rare
3 - as far as the dream job? no, not really, I didn't go to medical school to dangle the preverbal wax box in front of many to feel mighty.
Never bought from BBCE, probably never will. But then again I don't spend thousands, so Im the pebble in the ocean to them anyways
<< <i>1 - not trying to get a rise out anyone...I dont play kiddy games like that
2 - ( some of ) the people who 'are ok with them' would buy a box of 1988 Donruss as long as it has a BBCE wrapping on it and was told by them that its rare
3 - as far as the dream job? no, not really, I didn't go to medical school to dangle the preverbal wax box in front of many to feel mighty.
Never bought from BBCE, probably never will. But then again I don't spend thousands, so Im the pebble in the ocean to them anyways >>
Never bought from BBCE, yet have no problem talking negative about them.
Sounds about right.
P.S. Do they not teach you how to spell in medical school? "Preverbal"?
<< <i>1 - not trying to get a rise out anyone...I dont play kiddy games like that
2 - ( some of ) the people who 'are ok with them' would buy a box of 1988 Donruss as long as it has a BBCE wrapping on it and was told by them that its rare
3 - as far as the dream job? no, not really, I didn't go to medical school to dangle the preverbal wax box in front of many to feel mighty.
Never bought from BBCE, probably never will. But then again I don't spend thousands, so Im the pebble in the ocean to them anyways >>
Never bought from BBCE, yet have no problem talking negative about them.
Sounds about right.
P.S. Do they not teach you how to spell in medical school? "Preverbal"? >>
reading their FB posts, reading about them on here gives me enough reason to think what I do. I don't have to buy from anywhere or any one.
P.S. - sorry, I was in a cab coming home from the airport so you have my sincere apologies for my iPhone auto correcting to what it thought I was typing...and don't worry Im not a proctologist so Ill not see you in my office
<< <i>Is "almost everybody" the two people I was having a civil discussion with? You have issues. >>
He really does.
'Sir, I realize it's been difficult for you to sleep at night without your EX/MT 1977 Topps Tom Seaver, but I swear to you that you'll get it safe and sound.' -CDs Nuts, 1/20/14
<< <i>Never bought from BBCE, probably never will. >>
So you've never done business with them, yet feel confident in disparaging them here? Interesting, especially in light of who you have decided to do business with on here.
<< <i>SCT- do you really have to get into it with everybody in every thread and then argue your point ad nauseum until nobody cares anymore but you? >>
+1
And, as others have said, if the deal made financial sense for BBCE then they would have done it. Perhaps the seller didn't even give them an opportunity to negotiate, simply walking away from their first offer.
<< <i>Never bought from BBCE, probably never will. >>
So you've never done business with them, yet feel confident in disparaging them here? Interesting, especially in light of who you have decided to do business with on here.
<< <i>SCT- do you really have to get into it with everybody in every thread and then argue your point ad nauseum until nobody cares anymore but you? >>
+1
And, as others have said, if the deal made financial sense for BBCE then they would have done it. Perhaps the seller didn't even give them an opportunity to negotiate, simply walking away from their first offer.
NOW I see what I did wrong. It's only okay to speculate on this topic if you are going to blame the potential seller for messing up the sale. BBCE ONLY offers perfect and un-turn-downable amounts on all potential buys because... omniscience. What was I thinking! DOH!!! What a jerk that seller is!
love BBCE, but they should really close their FB account if they're going to continue to make amateur hour posts like that. absolutely no reason to even make the post, what exactly was the point? , what does it tell potential sellers? "sell for what we offer, or else we go on the internet and talk about how dumb you were for not taking the offer"? come on BBCE, you guys are better than this.
I enjoy Reed's candidness on FB and on here when he posts. I know I probably wouldn't feel the same way if he was always in businessman mode. Let's face it, we're talking about baseball cards, he's not buying and selling anything anyone really needs.
Sometimes the best financial move is not making a move at all. If a case is $160 retail on BBCE even if the guy was wanting $120 and Steve was offering $60 this is only $3000 on a $100,000+ deal. This really is not that big of a deal. Sounds like to me that Steve was at the max he could pay for what he was getting. Steve has never LOW BALLED someone and the troll that made that statement obviously has not done business with BBCE. Steve has always shot me straight on all the stuff that I have bought. There is no doubt that Steve is going to double his money on stuff he buys. He has overhead and he does not need 50 cases of 1987 Topps baseball cases sitting in a corner of his storage/office until it gets hot.
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Reed must make Steve a LOT of money. He would need to to offset the customers he chases away with his mouth/keyboard. Steve might just be the cat's meow, but Reed I could do without.
edit: btw, I can't see the thread in question on their FB page. Was it removed?
<<it appears to have been the deal breaker. It's the one item the seller couldn't let go of as he reminded us of our offer>>
Ok.. Snuffy is retiring from the facebook play by play booth and am heading back to the "Is this forum only for rich people?" thread. It is much more jovial over there!
Oh... FYI... The new 'Greetings Men.' by Carlos Danger thread has some promise! You may want to check that out too!
Have a nice evening and thank you for shopping Collectors Universe!
Why does any of this even matter? Why do people need to "get off" on trying to tarnish the reputation and image of one of the few dealers in this hobby who actually has real integrity?
All of you arm-chair quarterbacks can say shoulda/woulda/coulda all you want, but the bottom line is that its none of our business. It`s Steve Hartls business and I suspect it would be VERY difficult to find many people who have done business with him who have a legitimate gripe about his ethics or his integrity.
And as for someone who has NEVER done business with him coming onto a public forum and trying to undermine his reputation I think that person should be put in forum "timeout" for a few weeks for a clear violation of the forum rules.
Lastly, Reed is a good guy. That being said, I do not understand why he seems to regularly publish comments about goings on at his employer via social media that usually reflect badly upon the employer. He'd be better off saying nothing about it.
<< <i>Lastly, Reed is a good guy. That being said, I do not understand why he seems to regularly publish comments about goings on at his employer via social media that usually reflect badly upon the employer. He'd be better off saying nothing about it. >>
I think this is the part that rubs people the wrong way.
I don't see any benefit for BBCE to post about deals gone bad on FB. There is nothing to gain by doing so, and such dealings should remain private between both parties, imo.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
I've bought from & sold to BBCE several times, always dealing directly with Steve who is VERY professional and personable. The FB comments are coming from the jacka$$ that he hired from Dave & Adams...arrogant with absolutely no customer service skill WHAT-SO-EVER (just like Dave & Adams)...God's gift to the unopened card market. Maybe he's good for driving the van and lifting heavy boxes, but Steve needs to have him shut his pie hole or it's ultimately going to negatively impact his business. 4 pages of negative publicilty (so far) due to an one arrogant comment...
"Must these Englishmen Live That I Might Die? Must They Live That I Might Die?" - The Blue Oyster Cult
I've bought from & sold to BBCE several times, always dealing directly with Steve who is VERY professional and personable. The FB comments are coming from the jacka$$ that he hired from Dave & Adams...arrogant with absolutely no customer service skill WHAT-SO-EVER (just like Dave & Adams)...God's gift to the unopened card market. Maybe he's good for driving the van and lifting heavy boxes, but Steve needs to have him shut his pie hole or it's ultimately going to negatively impact his business. 4 pages of negative publicilty (so far) due to an one arrogant comment...
While I agree with you in spirit, I don't think it's had any negative effect on business for Steve. You even admit you continue to buy and sell to him despite your hatred for this guy. It's likely Steve is happy to have found a highly knowledgeable employee that's willing to fly all over god's creation prospecting for wax, and he's willing to let the minor online indiscretions go on as long as buying opportunities are continually being put in front of him. While I'm just taking a stab in the dark here, it would be foolish to discount the fact that the steady stream of wax everybody here seems to get their hands on can, at least in part, be attributed to the work of the 'arrogant jacka$$ with no customer service skills'. Steve's not an idiot- if Reed was costing him more money than he was making him he would no longer be an employee.
<< <i>Lastly, Reed is a good guy. That being said, I do not understand why he seems to regularly publish comments about goings on at his employer via social media that usually reflect badly upon the employer. He'd be better off saying nothing about it. >>
I think this is the part that rubs people the wrong way. >>
That's exactly the point most people are trying to make.
I would imagine on some big time deals, you pay very close to retail for the product. Not much profit there. And then sometimes the junk wax is your gravy to make money on the deal. Is investing 100,000 for 5% profit (not knowing how long it will take to turn over depending on what the product is) worth having your money tied up for a long period of time? I think if it were me, I would offer low on that many 87 wax cases too. That will take a long time to sell and you need to get the bang for your buck. And now the person with the 50 cases of 1987 Topps may be sitting on it for another 30 years and still not being worth much more.
Im not a fan nor a hater of BBCE. I have bought from them and I will keep my personal opinion to myself. What I say above is the way I would be approaching a deal like that.
Jealousy is a stinky cologne... people are jealous of Reed and sometimes even BBCE because of what they get to do for a living. Admit it or not, hatters gonna hat. If you find yourself hot and bothered about Reed's comments on Facebook, maybe your girl panties are on a little too tight.
<< <i>Jealousy is a stinky cologne... people are jealous of Reed and sometimes even BBCE because of what they get to do for a living. Admit it or not, hatters gonna hat. If you find yourself hot and bothered about Reed's comments on Facebook, maybe your girl panties are on a little too tight. >>
Jeff, I don't think it's jealousy, at least not from my perspective, but rather avoiding statements that result in multiple page threads like this one.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>Do we even know it was Reed who wrote it? >>
It certainly wasn't Steve, lol..
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Well someone just posted on BBCE claiming they haven't written a post in a week, and THAT sounds like Reed because he's talking about his travel, and drafting a fantasy football team without any Cowboys. So who could it be then?
I am probably in the minority on this one but I think it is pretty cool how they (Reed) is telling everyone that they almost put a $100K deal together today but 50 cases of 1987 derailed the deal. I actually appreciate and like hearing information like this. I have had three deals with Steve on trading some heavy product between us within the last three months and he passed on a couple of items that we offered him because he had too much of it. Like most dealers they want to get the stuff that moves quickly and stuff that won't take up a three car garage for 10 years for storage. I understand completely.
Shane
Looking for high grade rookie cards and unopened boxes/cases
<< <i>Well someone just posted on BBCE claiming they haven't written a post in a week, and THAT sounds like Reed because he's talking about his travel, and drafting a fantasy football team without any Cowboys. So who could it be then? >>
The plot thickens! LOL!
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Who can it be knocking at my door? Go away, don't come 'round here no more Can't you see that it's late at night? I'm very tired and I'm not feeling right All I wish is to be alone Stay away, don't you invade my home Best off if you hang outside Don't come in, I'll only run and hide
Is it the men come to take me away? Why do they follow me? It's not the future that I can see It's just my fantasy
<< <i>I've bought from & sold to BBCE several times, always dealing directly with Steve who is VERY professional and personable. The FB comments are coming from the jacka$$ that he hired from Dave & Adams...arrogant with absolutely no customer service skill WHAT-SO-EVER (just like Dave & Adams)...God's gift to the unopened card market. Maybe he's good for driving the van and lifting heavy boxes, but Steve needs to have him shut his pie hole or it's ultimately going to negatively impact his business. 4 pages of negative publicilty (so far) due to an one arrogant comment... >>
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<< <i>why would BBCE even post this? Whats the purpose? To 'out' the seller in a whiney way?? >>
Their Facebook posts are often bashes of sellers whose deals with BBCE didn't work out. Their Facebook postings don't exactly put BBCE in the best light at all times, that's for sure.
<< <i>SCT- do you really have to get into it with everybody in every thread and then argue your point ad nauseum until nobody cares anymore but you? It's kind of pathetic. >>
Get into what with who. lol It's just a general discussion on the thread topic. I think you need to relax.
<< <i>You've disagreed with almost everybody in this thread at some point and are constantly telling people to relax, which is pretty ironic since you seem to be the only one even slightly adamant about anything here. Read the tone of everybody else's posts, then read yours. Ask yourself who really comes off as caring the most about whatever inane topic is being discussed. >>
Is "almost everybody" the two people I was having a civil discussion with? You have issues. I'm sorry I hurt your feelings the other day, but attacking me for no reason only looks bad for YOU. Carry on though. I don't care about some idiot carrying a grudge on a message board.
<< <i>the humor of defending the company that treat their buyers like crap.....KEEP FEEDING THEM GRASS BBCE, THERES MORE SHEEP THEN EVEN YOU KNOW! >>
Do they really?? I myself have never bought from them, but it seems that a majority of people on here are ok with them??
More for me.
Baaaa
<< <i>
<< <i>the humor of defending the company that treat their buyers like crap.....KEEP FEEDING THEM GRASS BBCE, THERES MORE SHEEP THEN EVEN YOU KNOW! >>
Do they really?? I myself have never bought from them, but it seems that a majority of people on here are ok with them?? >>
They don't "treat their buyers like crap". This guy's just trying to get a rise out of people. Ignore it.
2 - ( some of ) the people who 'are ok with them' would buy a box of 1988 Donruss as long as it has a BBCE wrapping on it and was told by them that its rare
3 - as far as the dream job? no, not really, I didn't go to medical school to dangle the preverbal wax box in front of many to feel mighty.
Never bought from BBCE, probably never will. But then again I don't spend thousands, so Im the pebble in the ocean to them anyways
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<< <i>1 - not trying to get a rise out anyone...I dont play kiddy games like that
2 - ( some of ) the people who 'are ok with them' would buy a box of 1988 Donruss as long as it has a BBCE wrapping on it and was told by them that its rare
3 - as far as the dream job? no, not really, I didn't go to medical school to dangle the preverbal wax box in front of many to feel mighty.
Never bought from BBCE, probably never will. But then again I don't spend thousands, so Im the pebble in the ocean to them anyways >>
Never bought from BBCE, yet have no problem talking negative about them.
Sounds about right.
P.S. Do they not teach you how to spell in medical school? "Preverbal"?
But he did go I assume..
<< <i>P.S. Do they not teach you how to spell in medical school? "Preverbal"? >>
maybe he's the proverbal doctor and can't read his own writing?
Hi, Earl!
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<< <i>
<< <i>1 - not trying to get a rise out anyone...I dont play kiddy games like that
2 - ( some of ) the people who 'are ok with them' would buy a box of 1988 Donruss as long as it has a BBCE wrapping on it and was told by them that its rare
3 - as far as the dream job? no, not really, I didn't go to medical school to dangle the preverbal wax box in front of many to feel mighty.
Never bought from BBCE, probably never will. But then again I don't spend thousands, so Im the pebble in the ocean to them anyways >>
Never bought from BBCE, yet have no problem talking negative about them.
Sounds about right.
P.S. Do they not teach you how to spell in medical school? "Preverbal"? >>
reading their FB posts, reading about them on here gives me enough reason to think what I do. I don't have to buy from anywhere or any one.
P.S. - sorry, I was in a cab coming home from the airport so you have my sincere apologies for my iPhone auto correcting to what it thought I was typing...and don't worry Im not a proctologist so Ill not see you in my office
ALL MY PSA SETS
<< <i>He did'nt say he completed medical school.
But he did go I assume.. >>
and I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night
ALL MY PSA SETS
<< <i>Is "almost everybody" the two people I was having a civil discussion with? You have issues. >>
He really does.
-CDs Nuts, 1/20/14
*1956 Topps baseball- 97.4% complete, 7.24 GPA
*Clemente basic set: 85.0% complete, 7.89 GPA
<< <i>Never bought from BBCE, probably never will. >>
So you've never done business with them, yet feel confident in disparaging them here? Interesting, especially in light of who you have decided to do business with on here.
<< <i>SCT- do you really have to get into it with everybody in every thread and then argue your point ad nauseum until nobody cares anymore but you? >>
+1
And, as others have said, if the deal made financial sense for BBCE then they would have done it. Perhaps the seller didn't even give them an opportunity to negotiate, simply walking away from their first offer.
Snorto~
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<< <i>Never bought from BBCE, probably never will. >>
So you've never done business with them, yet feel confident in disparaging them here? Interesting, especially in light of who you have decided to do business with on here.
<< <i>SCT- do you really have to get into it with everybody in every thread and then argue your point ad nauseum until nobody cares anymore but you? >>
+1
And, as others have said, if the deal made financial sense for BBCE then they would have done it. Perhaps the seller didn't even give them an opportunity to negotiate, simply walking away from their first offer.
Snorto~ >>
+2
Because clearly nobody cares but me...
<< <i>Obviously BBCE wanted this deal gone wrong publicized. The question is why? Only they can answer that question. >>
Maybe they hate 1987 Topps baseball...
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<< <i>BBCE is starting to engage people on their facebook page about this now:
Bush league.
edit: btw, I can't see the thread in question on their FB page. Was it removed?
edit #2: stupid me - wrong Baseball Card Exchange liked. D'OH
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<<it appears to have been the deal breaker. It's the one item the seller couldn't let go of as he reminded us of our offer>>
Ok.. Snuffy is retiring from the facebook play by play booth and am heading back to the "Is this forum only for rich people?" thread. It is much more jovial over there!
Oh... FYI... The new 'Greetings Men.' by Carlos Danger thread has some promise! You may want to check that out too!
Have a nice evening and thank you for shopping Collectors Universe!
Cleanup on Isle 4!!!!
image of one of the few dealers in this hobby who actually has real integrity?
All of you arm-chair quarterbacks can say shoulda/woulda/coulda all you want, but the bottom line is that
its none of our business. It`s Steve Hartls business and I suspect it would be VERY difficult to find many
people who have done business with him who have a legitimate gripe about his ethics or his integrity.
And as for someone who has NEVER done business with him coming onto a public forum and trying to
undermine his reputation I think that person should be put in forum "timeout" for a few weeks for a clear
violation of the forum rules.
Lastly, Reed is a good guy. That being said, I do not understand why he seems to regularly publish
comments about goings on at his employer via social media that usually reflect badly upon the employer.
He'd be better off saying nothing about it.
Ok. Flame off.
Dave
<< <i>Lastly, Reed is a good guy. That being said, I do not understand why he seems to regularly publish
comments about goings on at his employer via social media that usually reflect badly upon the employer.
He'd be better off saying nothing about it. >>
I think this is the part that rubs people the wrong way.
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Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
While I agree with you in spirit, I don't think it's had any negative effect on business for Steve. You even admit you continue to buy and sell to him despite your hatred for this guy. It's likely Steve is happy to have found a highly knowledgeable employee that's willing to fly all over god's creation prospecting for wax, and he's willing to let the minor online indiscretions go on as long as buying opportunities are continually being put in front of him. While I'm just taking a stab in the dark here, it would be foolish to discount the fact that the steady stream of wax everybody here seems to get their hands on can, at least in part, be attributed to the work of the 'arrogant jacka$$ with no customer service skills'. Steve's not an idiot- if Reed was costing him more money than he was making him he would no longer be an employee.
<< <i>
<< <i>Lastly, Reed is a good guy. That being said, I do not understand why he seems to regularly publish
comments about goings on at his employer via social media that usually reflect badly upon the employer.
He'd be better off saying nothing about it. >>
I think this is the part that rubs people the wrong way. >>
That's exactly the point most people are trying to make.
Im not a fan nor a hater of BBCE. I have bought from them and I will keep my personal opinion to myself. What I say above is the way I would be approaching a deal like that.
<< <i>Jealousy is a stinky cologne... people are jealous of Reed and sometimes even BBCE because of what they get to do for a living. Admit it or not, hatters gonna hat. If you find yourself hot and bothered about Reed's comments on Facebook, maybe your girl panties are on a little too tight. >>
Jeff, I don't think it's jealousy, at least not from my perspective, but rather avoiding statements that result in multiple page threads like this one.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>Do we even know it was Reed who wrote it? >>
It certainly wasn't Steve, lol..
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Shane
<< <i>Well someone just posted on BBCE claiming they haven't written a post in a week, and THAT sounds like Reed because he's talking about his travel, and drafting a fantasy football team without any Cowboys. So who could it be then? >>
The plot thickens! LOL!
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>So who could it be then? >>
Who can it be knocking at my door?
Go away, don't come 'round here no more
Can't you see that it's late at night?
I'm very tired and I'm not feeling right
All I wish is to be alone
Stay away, don't you invade my home
Best off if you hang outside
Don't come in, I'll only run and hide
Is it the men come to take me away?
Why do they follow me?
It's not the future that I can see
It's just my fantasy
<< <i>I've bought from & sold to BBCE several times, always dealing directly with Steve who is VERY professional and personable. The FB comments are coming from the jacka$$ that he hired from Dave & Adams...arrogant with absolutely no customer service skill WHAT-SO-EVER (just like Dave & Adams)...God's gift to the unopened card market. Maybe he's good for driving the van and lifting heavy boxes, but Steve needs to have him shut his pie hole or it's ultimately going to negatively impact his business. 4 pages of negative publicilty (so far) due to an one arrogant comment... >>
Are you from hawaii?