<< <i>Nochance. Mattingly and Munson have a better shot and they are not getting in... >>
Agree. Not getting in. How do his numbers match up against Dale Murphy, who is not in? >>
Soriano has a better batting average, more homeruns, will end up with more rbi's, runs, and hits (not far off right now), more doubles, more stolen bases, better slugging, better OPS....
I think he has a better shot at the hall of fame than most people on here think. He has a legitimate shot at 500 homeruns. He only needs 100 more, and he is still going strong, he has 28 so far this year. He could easily average 20-25 homers for the next 4-5 years. He is known for being an extremely hard worker and keeps himself in shape. He will also probably get to 300 stolen bases and 500 doubles. Hes been one of the best power/speed combo players throughout the 2000s. I think his final career numbers will surprise some people.
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He's a compiler. The guy has a career OPS+ of 113. He's 37 years old and is coming off 5 straight mediocre (decent # of homers but nothing else) seasons. He's had a lot better career than people think but he's not a HOF'er.
I think folks need to leave the Munson thing alone....he simply was not good enough to be in the HOF. You can twist stats how ever you want; he wasn't good enough. He was a solid player on a historic team who won back to back WS. Munson was one of my favorites; but they needed the straw that stirs the drink.
Everyone who has reached a historic # and not linked in some fashion to PED's has gotten in. 3000 hits, 300 wins, 500 HR's. I think Biggio is guilty by association in case some were wondering.
Soriano may get to 500 with no suspicion of PED's whatsoever. He could test the voters to the max.
<< <i>If Bill James were a big Soriano fan I'd say give him time and eventually a new statistical system that will have Soriano as a lock will be created. James has done it before >>
Your statement reveals how little you know of Bill James' work.
<< <i>I think he has a better shot at the hall of fame than most people on here think. He has a legitimate shot at 500 homeruns. He only needs 100 more, and he is still going strong, he has 28 so far this year. He could easily average 20-25 homers for the next 4-5 years. He is known for being an extremely hard worker and keeps himself in shape. He will also probably get to 300 stolen bases and 500 doubles. Hes been one of the best power/speed combo players throughout the 2000s. I think his final career numbers will surprise some people. >>
This...
But the holier than thou writers may or may not elect him. They may think he used steroids and not vote him in. Look at Kevin Brown's numbers - better than a lot of Hall of Fame Pitchers in a hitters' era and he didn't make it past 1 ballot. I think not being identified with 1 team will hurt him (it shouldn't) and I think lack of postseason chances and production will hurt him (it shouldn't). You either have the stats and the numbers to make it or you don't.
Also the person that said he'll end up in Monument Park... He's played 3 full seasons as a Yankee parts of 3 others (including this one). I don't see him playing much past this contract and certainly not with NYY.
<< <i>I think folks need to leave the Munson thing alone....he simply was not good enough to be in the HOF. You can twist stats how ever you want; he wasn't good enough. He was a solid player on a historic team who won back to back WS. Munson was one of my favorites; but they needed the straw that stirs the drink.
Everyone who has reached a historic # and not linked in some fashion to PED's has gotten in. 3000 hits, 300 wins, 500 HR's. I think Biggio is guilty by association in case some were wondering.
Soriano may get to 500 with no suspicion of PED's whatsoever. He could test the voters to the max. >>
Sorry can't leave Thurman alone. He won't make the HOF but only Bench and Fisk were better during his career and he was as good as Carter IMO. Clutch, hard nose, team guy---not the straw but he was the heart,soul, and spine of that team. His numbers were good but short career kills his chances.
I think Donnie Baseball gets in the way Torre is gonna get in, a very good player (both have an MVP) that combines a successful run as a manager. Soriano on the other hand?! I find it hard to believe his name would come up in a discussion of the best players of his generation let alone of all time. He falls into the crime dog category for me, very good ball player who lasted long enough to put up stats but never had a defining moment or dramatic impact on the game. Someone mentioned Adam Dunn, he could hit 600 homers and I wouldn't think him a hall of famer, simply put he had one of the worst seasons EVER for a player with over 500 plate appearances if not the worst. Can't see someone like that going into Cooperstown.
He falls into the crime dog category for me, very good ball player who lasted long enough to put up stats but never had a defining moment or dramatic impact on the game.
Not so much different than Billy Williams, Jim Rice, Andre Dawson, Eddie Murray. Bert Blyleven, Barry Larkin Even players without a question deserving (Al Kaline, Paul Molitor, Robin Yount) of the Hall, did not have a truly defining moment or dramatic impact on the game.
If he can get to 500 HR without any PED questions, he has a chance.
Molitor had 40 plus hit streak, Yount was an MVP at deferent positions and kaline one of the youngest batting champions ever and a great glove. The others I agree you have a point on. I just tend to believe the Home Run has been cheapened and that there will be guys who reach 500 that don't get in. A part of me doesn't think Thome gets in on the first ballot.
<< <i>Sorry can't leave Thurman alone. He won't make the HOF but only Bench and Fisk were better during his career and he was as good as Carter IMO. Clutch, hard nose, team guy---not the straw but he was the heart,soul, and spine of that team. His numbers were good but short career kills his chances. >>
Short career makes him look better than he was. He was on the downswing having lost all power and would only get worse. He was 32 during his final season and looked washed up already.
<< <i>Someone mentioned Adam Dunn, he could hit 600 homers and I wouldn't think him a hall of famer, simply put he had one of the worst seasons EVER for a player with over 500 plate appearances if not the worst. Can't see someone like that going into Cooperstown. >>
<< <i>Sorry can't leave Thurman alone. He won't make the HOF but only Bench and Fisk were better during his career and he was as good as Carter IMO. Clutch, hard nose, team guy---not the straw but he was the heart,soul, and spine of that team. His numbers were good but short career kills his chances. >>
Short career makes him look better than he was. He was on the downswing having lost all power and would only get worse. He was 32 during his final season and looked washed up already. >>
I agree he was starting a downward slide, but that still doesn't change the fact that at his peak, he was a formidable player. It just wasn't long enough.
<< <i>I think Donnie Baseball gets in the way Torre is gonna get in, a very good player (both have an MVP) that combines a successful run as a manager. Soriano on the other hand?! I find it hard to believe his name would come up in a discussion of the best players of his generation let alone of all time. He falls into the crime dog category for me, very good ball player who lasted long enough to put up stats but never had a defining moment or dramatic impact on the game. Someone mentioned Adam Dunn, he could hit 600 homers and I wouldn't think him a hall of famer, simply put he had one of the worst seasons EVER for a player with over 500 plate appearances if not the worst. Can't see someone like that going into Cooperstown. >>
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I agree it's gonna take some time I just mean that there are people who want him in already ( I'm not one of them, he'll of a player though). It only took Weaver 14 seasons as a manager and he had no big league resume at all. Give Mattingly a powerhouse club (he has one now) and the dodgers new found pocket book and he's in the same position Torre found himself in at New York. Also thanks for the Welcome, glad to be here
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<< <i>Nochance. Mattingly and Munson have a better shot and they are not getting in... >>
Agree. Not getting in. How do his numbers match up against Dale Murphy, who is not in? >>
Soriano has a better batting average, more homeruns, will end up with more rbi's, runs, and hits (not far off right now), more doubles, more stolen bases, better slugging, better OPS....
I think he has a better shot at the hall of fame than most people on here think. He has a legitimate shot at 500 homeruns. He only needs 100 more, and he is still going strong, he has 28 so far this year. He could easily average 20-25 homers for the next 4-5 years. He is known for being an extremely hard worker and keeps himself in shape. He will also probably get to 300 stolen bases and 500 doubles. Hes been one of the best power/speed combo players throughout the 2000s. I think his final career numbers will surprise some people.
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Everyone who has reached a historic # and not linked in some fashion to PED's has gotten in. 3000 hits, 300 wins, 500 HR's. I think Biggio is guilty by association in case some were wondering.
Soriano may get to 500 with no suspicion of PED's whatsoever. He could test the voters to the max.
<< <i>If Bill James were a big Soriano fan I'd say give him time and eventually a new statistical system that will have Soriano as a lock will be created. James has done it before
Your statement reveals how little you know of Bill James' work.
<< <i>I think he has a better shot at the hall of fame than most people on here think. He has a legitimate shot at 500 homeruns. He only needs 100 more, and he is still going strong, he has 28 so far this year. He could easily average 20-25 homers for the next 4-5 years. He is known for being an extremely hard worker and keeps himself in shape. He will also probably get to 300 stolen bases and 500 doubles. Hes been one of the best power/speed combo players throughout the 2000s. I think his final career numbers will surprise some people. >>
This...
But the holier than thou writers may or may not elect him. They may think he used steroids and not vote him in. Look at Kevin Brown's numbers - better than a lot of Hall of Fame Pitchers in a hitters' era and he didn't make it past 1 ballot. I think not being identified with 1 team will hurt him (it shouldn't) and I think lack of postseason chances and production will hurt him (it shouldn't). You either have the stats and the numbers to make it or you don't.
Also the person that said he'll end up in Monument Park... He's played 3 full seasons as a Yankee parts of 3 others (including this one). I don't see him playing much past this contract and certainly not with NYY.
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<< <i>I think folks need to leave the Munson thing alone....he simply was not good enough to be in the HOF. You can twist stats how ever you want; he wasn't good enough. He was a solid player on a historic team who won back to back WS. Munson was one of my favorites; but they needed the straw that stirs the drink.
Everyone who has reached a historic # and not linked in some fashion to PED's has gotten in. 3000 hits, 300 wins, 500 HR's. I think Biggio is guilty by association in case some were wondering.
Soriano may get to 500 with no suspicion of PED's whatsoever. He could test the voters to the max. >>
Sorry can't leave Thurman alone. He won't make the HOF but only Bench and Fisk were better during his career and he was as good as Carter IMO. Clutch, hard nose, team guy---not the straw but he was the heart,soul, and spine of that team. His numbers were good but short career kills his chances.
Not so much different than Billy Williams, Jim Rice, Andre Dawson, Eddie Murray. Bert Blyleven, Barry Larkin
Even players without a question deserving (Al Kaline, Paul Molitor, Robin Yount) of the Hall, did not have a truly defining moment or dramatic impact on the game.
If he can get to 500 HR without any PED questions, he has a chance.
<< <i>Sorry can't leave Thurman alone. He won't make the HOF but only Bench and Fisk were better during his career and he was as good as Carter IMO. Clutch, hard nose, team guy---not the straw but he was the heart,soul, and spine of that team. His numbers were good but short career kills his chances. >>
Short career makes him look better than he was. He was on the downswing having lost all power and would only get worse. He was 32 during his final season and looked washed up already.
<< <i>Someone mentioned Adam Dunn, he could hit 600 homers and I wouldn't think him a hall of famer, simply put he had one of the worst seasons EVER for a player with over 500 plate appearances if not the worst. Can't see someone like that going into Cooperstown. >>
Aw come on, he only had 496 PAs in 2011
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<< <i>Sorry can't leave Thurman alone. He won't make the HOF but only Bench and Fisk were better during his career and he was as good as Carter IMO. Clutch, hard nose, team guy---not the straw but he was the heart,soul, and spine of that team. His numbers were good but short career kills his chances. >>
Short career makes him look better than he was. He was on the downswing having lost all power and would only get worse. He was 32 during his final season and looked washed up already. >>
I agree he was starting a downward slide, but that still doesn't change the fact that at his peak, he was a formidable player. It just wasn't long enough.
<< <i>I think Donnie Baseball gets in the way Torre is gonna get in, a very good player (both have an MVP) that combines a successful run as a manager. Soriano on the other hand?! I find it hard to believe his name would come up in a discussion of the best players of his generation let alone of all time. He falls into the crime dog category for me, very good ball player who lasted long enough to put up stats but never had a defining moment or dramatic impact on the game. Someone mentioned Adam Dunn, he could hit 600 homers and I wouldn't think him a hall of famer, simply put he had one of the worst seasons EVER for a player with over 500 plate appearances if not the worst. Can't see someone like that going into Cooperstown. >>
TheMick6 welcome to the boards.
Donnie baseball has a long way to go from a Managerial perspective.
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I agree it's gonna take some time I just mean that there are people who want him in already ( I'm not one of them, he'll of a player though). It only took Weaver 14 seasons as a manager and he had no big league resume at all. Give Mattingly a powerhouse club (he has one now) and the dodgers new found pocket book and he's in the same position Torre found himself in at New York. Also thanks for the Welcome, glad to be here
let 'em in!!! in this tainted age - some players of character are needed...
and they had impact on the game.
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