This is all very disappointing. I truly enjoyed watching this kid play last year and have been looking forward to this season, particularly the Alabama matchup for months.
It's pretty unbelievable that he did something like this when A) His daddy gives him whatever he wants...and I know for a fact there are dozens of very wealthy A&M 'Boosters' who would have paid for rims or any other stupid stuff he wanted.
I do have to say though that it's pretty crappy and shady that these 'autograph brokers' are now tattling to ESPN. They made a deal with the kid, they got their autos, they're making money selling them....and now to throw him under the bus for a few more bucks is just downright LOW.
<< <i>This is all very disappointing. I truly enjoyed watching this kid play last year and have been looking forward to this season, particularly the Alabama matchup for months.
It's pretty unbelievable that he did something like this when A) His daddy gives him whatever he wants...and I know for a fact there are dozens of very wealthy A&M 'Boosters' who would have paid for rims or any other stupid stuff he wanted.
I do have to say though that it's pretty crappy and shady that these 'autograph brokers' are now tattling to ESPN. They made a deal with the kid, they got their autos, they're making money selling them....and now to throw him under the bus for a few more bucks is just downright LOW. >>
I'm sure many A&M fans hope these dealers have good ol' fashioned Texas "encounter" with some A&M "boosters".
<< <i>This is all very disappointing. I truly enjoyed watching this kid play last year and have been looking forward to this season, particularly the Alabama matchup for months.
It's pretty unbelievable that he did something like this when A) His daddy gives him whatever he wants...and I know for a fact there are dozens of very wealthy A&M 'Boosters' who would have paid for rims or any other stupid stuff he wanted.
I do have to say though that it's pretty crappy and shady that these 'autograph brokers' are now tattling to ESPN. They made a deal with the kid, they got their autos, they're making money selling them....and now to throw him under the bus for a few more bucks is just downright LOW. >>
Definitely. The stuff that gives the hobby a horrible name
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<< <i>I do have to say though that it's pretty crappy and shady that these 'autograph brokers' are now tattling to ESPN. They made a deal with the kid, they got their autos, they're making money selling them....and now to throw him under the bus for a few more bucks is just downright LOW. >>
Please note that I'm not defending the autograph brokers...
I'm assuming each one was under the impression they had an 'exclusive' with Manziel. When they saw the market getting flooded and their return getting smaller (supply and demand), one of them spoke out and it has snowballed since.
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
For the love of God, I can't believe you are entering race into this conversation. Johnny football is being protected because the kid is the most amazing QB talent to hit college football ever. When is the last time you saw a freshman win the Heismann ? Answer.....Never We want to see this kid on the field, playing football, exciting fans, and bringing excitement to the game we enjoy watching. This has absolutely nothing to do with race, and shame on anyone who may even think it has anything to do with that.
Nice to see an unbiased response there. The shame is that your bias for Johnny Manziel so obviously impairs your cognitive function. Other than the post season awards what is the difference between what Manziel did and Pryor did? Nothing. Enough with the silly he is only 20, life was a whirlwind for him, the autograph dealers are scum for putting him in the situation (apparently Johnny was the one that asked to get paid instead of doing it for free), yada, yada, yada. He knew what he was doing was against NCAA rules and would impact his eligibility and did it anyways. Do other college athletes do it? Sure but it doesn't make it right and is the feeblest of arguments. When Manziel accepted his scholarship he agreed to follow the NCAA rules, if he didn't want to do that he was free to go play semi-pro ball or arena league or whatever.
I do think we will soon enter an era where NCAA athletes are officially compensated but the NCAA and member institutions will be dragged into it kicking and screaming.
Good for Manziel...and screw the NCAA. Biggest scumbag organization in sports next to the NFL....who by in large benefits the most from the NCAA..must be nice to have a completely free minor league system at your disposal.
<< <i>Coming from the great state of Ohio, I am naturally an Ohio State fan. What has absolutely cracked me up about this whole Johnny Football thing is the backwardness coming from the media in regards to this story. When the OSU players stupidly/wrongly traded in memorabilia for tattoos, every media outlet blasted them for it. Lack of institutional control was thrown around by everybody.
Then this story comes out and within the past 2 days I've lost count of the amount of times that Sportscenter, ESPN (in general), Jim Rome, etc etc have talked about how the rule, itself, is what needs to change. That these are poor college athletes who should be paid. >>
+1
The double standard is mind-boggling. >>
OSU fan here. If I remember correctly the NCAA did allow the players to play in their bowl game, which they won.
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All this adults and kids talk, im pretty sure machado, harper, Trout all enjoy being "Stupid 20 year old kids and getting money" because somebodys in college thiere a kid? last I checked your an adult when your 18 and if somebody wants to pay you to write your name hows that exploiting them, when they know what thiere actions are...
<< <i>All this adults and kids talk, im pretty sure machado, harper, Trout all enjoy being "Stupid 20 year old kids and getting money" because somebodys in college thiere a kid? last I checked your an adult when your 18 and if somebody wants to pay you to write your name hows that exploiting them, when they know what thiere actions are... >>
In the end, it's not about 18 year olds, 20 year olds, or 22 year olds...it's all relative anyway, I know 60 year olds who have never paid the power bill; there are no lights on. It's not about exploitation either; it's about classism and selectivity in collegiate sports leading to a conflict of interest and internal strife. That said, young people, statistically, are more likely to break rules and not understand the consequences. Manziel knew he could lose everything and still chose to make money on the side...he's not an idiot, he made an idiotic decision because he didn't have a full grasp of the reality of the his actions. He thought he was safe, or worse, above it all. Until every player is getting paid $7500 for an autograph session - which will never happen - the NCAA rules are there to prevent divisiveness. If one man on the team is raking in thousands for intangibles and everyone else is broke, with no free time to commit to anything but school and sport, that team won't make it very long. Preventing these direct payouts protects the sports and the young people. They are under contract with their respective schools and the NCAA, the non-compete is in full effect. 50 years ago, playing collegiate sports was a way to get an education.
Machado, Harper, Trout, et al are part of the working force; like the Senior in high school pressing burgers at McDonalds, they're being paid a competitive wage for the type of services rendered. Young players who can't handle that will fail; but it's the driving force behind the business. Again, not relevant to the situation at hand.
Like I said before, trusts are a way to give these young people what they deserve, while minimizing conflict, and further bolstering the revenue stream for the respective schools.
<< <i>Where does PSA stand on authenticating signatures for players that are not allowed by the NCAA to do so for money? >>
That is a question that Joe Orlando should respond to.
But I would think PSA/DNA would authenticate a Johnny Manziel signed helmet only because PSA/DNA does not know if Johnny signed it for cash, or for free. >>
1) They "cleaned house" at Ohio State because Tressel lied to the NCAA. Most of the time, nothing happens to the coach. Tressel lied to the investigators and rightly got hammered for it.
2) It bugs me when people say that Manziel won the Heisman as a freshman. Yeah, he's a freshman in eligibility but he was a college sophomore. That's not a knock on anybody here, it's just my own personal pet peeve that I expect no one else to agree with
<< <i>All this adults and kids talk, im pretty sure machado, harper, Trout all enjoy being "Stupid 20 year old kids and getting money" because somebodys in college thiere a kid? last I checked your an adult when your 18 and if somebody wants to pay you to write your name hows that exploiting them, when they know what thiere actions are... >>
In the end, it's not about 18 year olds, 20 year olds, or 22 year olds...it's all relative anyway, I know 60 year olds who have never paid the power bill; there are no lights on. It's not about exploitation either; it's about classism and selectivity in collegiate sports leading to a conflict of interest and internal strife. That said, young people, statistically, are more likely to break rules and not understand the consequences. Manziel knew he could lose everything and still chose to make money on the side...he's not an idiot, he made an idiotic decision because he didn't have a full grasp of the reality of the his actions. He thought he was safe, or worse, above it all. Until every player is getting paid $7500 for an autograph session - which will never happen - the NCAA rules are there to prevent divisiveness. If one man on the team is raking in thousands for intangibles and everyone else is broke, with no free time to commit to anything but school and sport, that team won't make it very long. Preventing these direct payouts protects the sports and the young people. They are under contract with their respective schools and the NCAA, the non-compete is in full effect. 50 years ago, playing collegiate sports was a way to get an education.
Machado, Harper, Trout, et al are part of the working force; like the Senior in high school pressing burgers at McDonalds, they're being paid a competitive wage for the type of services rendered. Young players who can't handle that will fail; but it's the driving force behind the business. Again, not relevant to the situation at hand.
Like I said before, trusts are a way to give these young people what they deserve, while minimizing conflict, and further bolstering the revenue stream for the respective schools. >>
+1
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
<< <i>Coming from the great state of Ohio, I am naturally an Ohio State fan. What has absolutely cracked me up about this whole Johnny Football thing is the backwardness coming from the media in regards to this story. When the OSU players stupidly/wrongly traded in memorabilia for tattoos, every media outlet blasted them for it. Lack of institutional control was thrown around by everybody.
Then this story comes out and within the past 2 days I've lost count of the amount of times that Sportscenter, ESPN (in general), Jim Rome, etc etc have talked about how the rule, itself, is what needs to change. That these are poor college athletes who should be paid.
If we've learned anything over the course of the last month, it's that Johnny Manziel is an idiot. He's a naive 20 year old college kid who keeps tripping over his own feet, but the media still loves him.
Those are my two pennies. Sorry if I offended anyone. >>
I keep hearing that Johnny football did nothing illegal. I beg to differ. I thought it was illegal to get paid for services and not report it to the IRS. Isn't this the charge that most athletes get nailed for. Pete Rose, Willie Mccovey, Jerry Koosman and many others. Maybe he only started signing and getting paid in 2013 and will report in April. If that is the case, I apologize to all of you A & M fans and to Johnny fball.
For those that say he isn't getting paid, as your average kid coming out of college with over $100,000 in loans (closer to 200,000 for those that have to foot the full ride at most private colleges) and ask what their monthly loan payments are and how long they'll be paying them?
Most NCAA scholarship athletes DO NOT go pro. To start your working career free from student debt is a huge start in life and if that's the price these student-athletes paid, so be it. They may not have been directly paid for their services, but to start your professional career without the worry of a $750+ / month loan payment is payment within itself.
Both parties are guilty here. Manziel knew it was against the rules, but shame on the dealer who went public with it, and then wanted to sell the videos. That's a snitch in every sense of the word .... I'll let y'all take it from here.
<< <i>I keep hearing that Johnny football did nothing illegal. I beg to differ. I thought it was illegal to get paid for services and not report it to the IRS. Isn't this the charge that most athletes get nailed for. Pete Rose, Willie Mccovey, Jerry Koosman and many others. Maybe he only started signing and getting paid in 2013 and will report in April. If that is the case, I apologize to all of you A & M fans and to Johnny fball. >>
That's true, and I bet he sped away from the hotel signing with $7500 in his pocket at 10+ miles per hour over the speed limit. Felon.
<< <i>Where does PSA stand on authenticating signatures for players that are not allowed by the NCAA to do so for money? >>
That is a question that Joe Orlando should respond to.
But I would think PSA/DNA would authenticate a Johnny Manziel signed helmet only because PSA/DNA does not know if Johnny signed it for cash, or for free. >>
A 1,000 items should raise some questions! >>
If the top authentication companies agreed not to authenticate autographs for current NCAA players then this kind of activity would be greatly minimized. But they're all too greedy to do that.
Legalities aside, I believe that PSA and others contribute to this problem by their business practices which seem to me to have ethical problems.
Sorry if this is not what people in this forum or PSA want to hear.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to convince the PSA 10 collector he didn't exist.
<< <i>. Other than the post season awards what is the difference between what Manziel did and Pryor did? Nothing. >>
Did Pryor lead his team into the backyard of the #1 team and pull out an amazing win ?
Everyone in college football is looking forward to the rematch between the Heismann winner and last years national champion.
It is already the game of the year in most people's minds.
Are you saying that what Pryor did on the field is as impressive as what Manziel did on the field ? You've got to be joking. If you do believe it, then only you, and perhaps a few other Buckeye fans believe that. I would love to sit in a bar and listen to people explain to me how Pryor was as impressive slicing up the slow Big 10 defenses as Manziel was slicing up the tough SEC defenses.
<< <i>. Other than the post season awards what is the difference between what Manziel did and Pryor did? Nothing. >>
Did Pryor lead his team into the backyard of the #1 team and pull out an amazing win ?
Everyone in college football is looking forward to the rematch between the Heismann winner and last years national champion.
It is already the game of the year in most people's minds.
Are you saying that what Pryor did on the field is as impressive as what Manziel did on the field ? You've got to be joking. If you do believe it, then only you, and perhaps a few other Buckeye fans believe that. I would love to sit in a bar and listen to people explain to me how Pryor was as impressive slicing up the slow Big 10 defenses as Manziel was slicing up the tough SEC defenses. >>
I think they might have been closer then you realize. I am pretty sure Pryor beat Arkansas(SEC) to win the Sugar Bowl and OSU was highly ranked while Pryor was there.
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I agree the consequences should be suffered; I'm not a fan anyway. I do believe the process needs to be rectified and the current policies are lacking. Beyond that, we can call him an adult all we want to, and legally he is, but obviously his decision making skills are lacking, and that's kid-like as he is still maturing and still developing into who he will be, good, bad or in between.
I think they might have been closer then you realize. I am pretty sure Pryor beat Arkansas(SEC) to win the Sugar Bowl and OSU was highly ranked while Pryor was there. >>
If Pryor won the Heismann as a freshman, along with going into the backyard of the crowned National Champion and beat them, then they're close. If Pryor didn't do either of those, then he isn't even close.
Was Pryor even considered for the Heismann ? Was he 2010 ?? The year Cam Newton won, with Luck (SO-Stanford) coming in 2nd ? Or was Pryor a different year ?
BTW, I would have no problem with Manziel getting disciplined for his actions. I just think the dealers are scum.
I think they might have been closer then you realize. I am pretty sure Pryor beat Arkansas(SEC) to win the Sugar Bowl and OSU was highly ranked while Pryor was there. >>
If Pryor won the Heismann as a freshman, along with going into the backyard of the crowned National Champion and beat them, then they're close. If Pryor didn't do either of those, then he isn't even close.
Was Pryor even considered for the Heismann ? Was he 2010 ?? The year Cam Newton won, with Luck (SO-Stanford) coming in 2nd ? Or was Pryor a different year ?
BTW, I would have no problem with Manziel getting disciplined for his actions. I just think the dealers are scum. >>
Pryor had a nice college career, OSU was in the title hunt almost every year and he won a couple of bowl games.
I agree it's pretty bad to film it and then rat him out.
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Did Pryor lead his team into the backyard of the #1 team and pull out an amazing win ? Everyone in college football is looking forward to the rematch between the Heismann winner and last years national champion. It is already the game of the year in most people's minds. Are you saying that what Pryor did on the field is as impressive as what Manziel did on the field ? You've got to be joking. If you do believe it, then only you, and perhaps a few other Buckeye fans believe that. I would love to sit in a bar and listen to people explain to me how Pryor was as impressive slicing up the slow Big 10 defenses as Manziel was slicing up the tough SEC defenses.
Reading comprehension is not very high on your list is it...
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It's pretty unbelievable that he did something like this when A) His daddy gives him whatever he wants...and
I do have to say though that it's pretty crappy and shady that these 'autograph brokers' are now tattling to ESPN. They made a deal with the kid, they got their autos, they're making money selling them....and now to throw him under the bus for a few more bucks is just downright LOW.
<< <i>This is all very disappointing. I truly enjoyed watching this kid play last year and have been looking forward to this season, particularly the Alabama matchup for months.
It's pretty unbelievable that he did something like this when A) His daddy gives him whatever he wants...and
I do have to say though that it's pretty crappy and shady that these 'autograph brokers' are now tattling to ESPN. They made a deal with the kid, they got their autos, they're making money selling them....and now to throw him under the bus for a few more bucks is just downright LOW. >>
I'm sure many A&M fans hope these dealers have good ol' fashioned Texas "encounter" with some A&M "boosters".
<< <i>This is all very disappointing. I truly enjoyed watching this kid play last year and have been looking forward to this season, particularly the Alabama matchup for months.
It's pretty unbelievable that he did something like this when A) His daddy gives him whatever he wants...and
I do have to say though that it's pretty crappy and shady that these 'autograph brokers' are now tattling to ESPN. They made a deal with the kid, they got their autos, they're making money selling them....and now to throw him under the bus for a few more bucks is just downright LOW. >>
Definitely. The stuff that gives the hobby a horrible name
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<< <i>I do have to say though that it's pretty crappy and shady that these 'autograph brokers' are now tattling to ESPN. They made a deal with the kid, they got their autos, they're making money selling them....and now to throw him under the bus for a few more bucks is just downright LOW. >>
Please note that I'm not defending the autograph brokers...
I'm assuming each one was under the impression they had an 'exclusive' with Manziel. When they saw the market getting flooded and their return getting smaller (supply and demand), one of them spoke out and it has snowballed since.
Nice to see an unbiased response there. The shame is that your bias for Johnny Manziel so obviously impairs your cognitive function. Other than the post season awards what is the difference between what Manziel did and Pryor did? Nothing. Enough with the silly he is only 20, life was a whirlwind for him, the autograph dealers are scum for putting him in the situation (apparently Johnny was the one that asked to get paid instead of doing it for free), yada, yada, yada. He knew what he was doing was against NCAA rules and would impact his eligibility and did it anyways. Do other college athletes do it? Sure but it doesn't make it right and is the feeblest of arguments. When Manziel accepted his scholarship he agreed to follow the NCAA rules, if he didn't want to do that he was free to go play semi-pro ball or arena league or whatever.
I do think we will soon enter an era where NCAA athletes are officially compensated but the NCAA and member institutions will be dragged into it kicking and screaming.
Robb
<< <i>
<< <i>Coming from the great state of Ohio, I am naturally an Ohio State fan. What has absolutely cracked me up about this whole Johnny Football thing is the backwardness coming from the media in regards to this story. When the OSU players stupidly/wrongly traded in memorabilia for tattoos, every media outlet blasted them for it. Lack of institutional control was thrown around by everybody.
Then this story comes out and within the past 2 days I've lost count of the amount of times that Sportscenter, ESPN (in general), Jim Rome, etc etc have talked about how the rule, itself, is what needs to change. That these are poor college athletes who should be paid. >>
+1
The double standard is mind-boggling. >>
OSU fan here. If I remember correctly the NCAA did allow the players to play in their bowl game, which they won.
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<< <i>money, women, alcohol, weed, freebies, etc. >>
I'm in!
<< <i>All this adults and kids talk, im pretty sure machado, harper, Trout all enjoy being "Stupid 20 year old kids and getting money" because somebodys in college thiere a kid? last I checked your an adult when your 18 and if somebody wants to pay you to write your name hows that exploiting them, when they know what thiere actions are... >>
In the end, it's not about 18 year olds, 20 year olds, or 22 year olds...it's all relative anyway, I know 60 year olds who have never paid the power bill; there are no lights on. It's not about exploitation either; it's about classism and selectivity in collegiate sports leading to a conflict of interest and internal strife. That said, young people, statistically, are more likely to break rules and not understand the consequences. Manziel knew he could lose everything and still chose to make money on the side...he's not an idiot, he made an idiotic decision because he didn't have a full grasp of the reality of the his actions. He thought he was safe, or worse, above it all. Until every player is getting paid $7500 for an autograph session - which will never happen - the NCAA rules are there to prevent divisiveness. If one man on the team is raking in thousands for intangibles and everyone else is broke, with no free time to commit to anything but school and sport, that team won't make it very long. Preventing these direct payouts protects the sports and the young people. They are under contract with their respective schools and the NCAA, the non-compete is in full effect. 50 years ago, playing collegiate sports was a way to get an education.
Machado, Harper, Trout, et al are part of the working force; like the Senior in high school pressing burgers at McDonalds, they're being paid a competitive wage for the type of services rendered. Young players who can't handle that will fail; but it's the driving force behind the business. Again, not relevant to the situation at hand.
Like I said before, trusts are a way to give these young people what they deserve, while minimizing conflict, and further bolstering the revenue stream for the respective schools.
<< <i>
<< <i>Where does PSA stand on authenticating signatures for players that are not allowed by the NCAA to do so for money? >>
That is a question that Joe Orlando should respond to.
But I would think PSA/DNA would authenticate a Johnny Manziel signed helmet only because PSA/DNA does not know if Johnny signed it for cash, or for free. >>
A 1,000 items should raise some questions!
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1) They "cleaned house" at Ohio State because Tressel lied to the NCAA. Most of the time, nothing happens to the coach. Tressel lied to the investigators and rightly got hammered for it.
2) It bugs me when people say that Manziel won the Heisman as a freshman. Yeah, he's a freshman in eligibility but he was a college sophomore. That's not a knock on anybody here, it's just my own personal pet peeve that I expect no one else to agree with
Carry on...
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<< <i>All this adults and kids talk, im pretty sure machado, harper, Trout all enjoy being "Stupid 20 year old kids and getting money" because somebodys in college thiere a kid? last I checked your an adult when your 18 and if somebody wants to pay you to write your name hows that exploiting them, when they know what thiere actions are... >>
In the end, it's not about 18 year olds, 20 year olds, or 22 year olds...it's all relative anyway, I know 60 year olds who have never paid the power bill; there are no lights on. It's not about exploitation either; it's about classism and selectivity in collegiate sports leading to a conflict of interest and internal strife. That said, young people, statistically, are more likely to break rules and not understand the consequences. Manziel knew he could lose everything and still chose to make money on the side...he's not an idiot, he made an idiotic decision because he didn't have a full grasp of the reality of the his actions. He thought he was safe, or worse, above it all. Until every player is getting paid $7500 for an autograph session - which will never happen - the NCAA rules are there to prevent divisiveness. If one man on the team is raking in thousands for intangibles and everyone else is broke, with no free time to commit to anything but school and sport, that team won't make it very long. Preventing these direct payouts protects the sports and the young people. They are under contract with their respective schools and the NCAA, the non-compete is in full effect. 50 years ago, playing collegiate sports was a way to get an education.
Machado, Harper, Trout, et al are part of the working force; like the Senior in high school pressing burgers at McDonalds, they're being paid a competitive wage for the type of services rendered. Young players who can't handle that will fail; but it's the driving force behind the business. Again, not relevant to the situation at hand.
Like I said before, trusts are a way to give these young people what they deserve, while minimizing conflict, and further bolstering the revenue stream for the respective schools. >>
+1
<< <i>Coming from the great state of Ohio, I am naturally an Ohio State fan. What has absolutely cracked me up about this whole Johnny Football thing is the backwardness coming from the media in regards to this story. When the OSU players stupidly/wrongly traded in memorabilia for tattoos, every media outlet blasted them for it. Lack of institutional control was thrown around by everybody.
Then this story comes out and within the past 2 days I've lost count of the amount of times that Sportscenter, ESPN (in general), Jim Rome, etc etc have talked about how the rule, itself, is what needs to change. That these are poor college athletes who should be paid.
If we've learned anything over the course of the last month, it's that Johnny Manziel is an idiot. He's a naive 20 year old college kid who keeps tripping over his own feet, but the media still loves him.
Those are my two pennies. Sorry if I offended anyone. >>
i despise ohio st, but you make some great points
Most NCAA scholarship athletes DO NOT go pro. To start your working career free from student debt is a huge start in life and if that's the price these student-athletes paid, so be it. They may not have been directly paid for their services, but to start your professional career without the worry of a $750+ / month loan payment is payment within itself.
Both parties are guilty here. Manziel knew it was against the rules, but shame on the dealer who went public with it, and then wanted to sell the videos. That's a snitch in every sense of the word .... I'll let y'all take it from here.
<< <i>I keep hearing that Johnny football did nothing illegal. I beg to differ. I thought it was illegal to get paid for services and not report it to the IRS. Isn't this the charge that most athletes get nailed for. Pete Rose, Willie Mccovey, Jerry Koosman and many others. Maybe he only started signing and getting paid in 2013 and will report in April. If that is the case, I apologize to all of you A & M fans and to Johnny fball. >>
That's true, and I bet he sped away from the hotel signing with $7500 in his pocket at 10+ miles per hour over the speed limit. Felon.
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>Where does PSA stand on authenticating signatures for players that are not allowed by the NCAA to do so for money? >>
That is a question that Joe Orlando should respond to.
But I would think PSA/DNA would authenticate a Johnny Manziel signed helmet only because PSA/DNA does not know if Johnny signed it for cash, or for free. >>
A 1,000 items should raise some questions! >>
If the top authentication companies agreed not to authenticate autographs for current NCAA players then
this kind of activity would be greatly minimized. But they're all too greedy to do that.
Legalities aside, I believe that PSA and others contribute to this problem by their business practices
which seem to me to have ethical problems.
Sorry if this is not what people in this forum or PSA want to hear.
DaveB in St.Louis
Manziel is not a kid, he is an adult. He knew the rules, and broke them...Kind of sounds like Pete Rose.
He should sit out the year.
Manziel has only one person to blame, himself.
Dave
<< <i>. Other than the post season awards what is the difference between what Manziel did and Pryor did? Nothing. >>
Did Pryor lead his team into the backyard of the #1 team and pull out an amazing win ?
Everyone in college football is looking forward to the rematch between the Heismann winner and last years national champion.
It is already the game of the year in most people's minds.
Are you saying that what Pryor did on the field is as impressive as what Manziel did on the field ? You've got to be joking.
If you do believe it, then only you, and perhaps a few other Buckeye fans believe that.
I would love to sit in a bar and listen to people explain to me how Pryor was as impressive slicing up the slow Big 10 defenses as Manziel was slicing
up the tough SEC defenses.
<< <i>
<< <i>. Other than the post season awards what is the difference between what Manziel did and Pryor did? Nothing. >>
Did Pryor lead his team into the backyard of the #1 team and pull out an amazing win ?
Everyone in college football is looking forward to the rematch between the Heismann winner and last years national champion.
It is already the game of the year in most people's minds.
Are you saying that what Pryor did on the field is as impressive as what Manziel did on the field ? You've got to be joking.
If you do believe it, then only you, and perhaps a few other Buckeye fans believe that.
I would love to sit in a bar and listen to people explain to me how Pryor was as impressive slicing up the slow Big 10 defenses as Manziel was slicing
up the tough SEC defenses. >>
I think they might have been closer then you realize. I am pretty sure Pryor beat Arkansas(SEC) to win the Sugar Bowl and OSU was highly ranked while Pryor was there.
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I think they might have been closer then you realize. I am pretty sure Pryor beat Arkansas(SEC) to win the Sugar Bowl and OSU was highly ranked while Pryor was there. >>
If Pryor won the Heismann as a freshman, along with going into the backyard of the crowned National Champion and beat them, then they're close.
If Pryor didn't do either of those, then he isn't even close.
Was Pryor even considered for the Heismann ? Was he 2010 ?? The year Cam Newton won, with Luck (SO-Stanford) coming in 2nd ? Or was Pryor a different year ?
BTW, I would have no problem with Manziel getting disciplined for his actions. I just think the dealers are scum.
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I think they might have been closer then you realize. I am pretty sure Pryor beat Arkansas(SEC) to win the Sugar Bowl and OSU was highly ranked while Pryor was there. >>
If Pryor won the Heismann as a freshman, along with going into the backyard of the crowned National Champion and beat them, then they're close.
If Pryor didn't do either of those, then he isn't even close.
Was Pryor even considered for the Heismann ? Was he 2010 ?? The year Cam Newton won, with Luck (SO-Stanford) coming in 2nd ? Or was Pryor a different year ?
BTW, I would have no problem with Manziel getting disciplined for his actions. I just think the dealers are scum. >>
Pryor had a nice college career, OSU was in the title hunt almost every year and he won a couple of bowl games.
I agree it's pretty bad to film it and then rat him out.
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Reading comprehension is not very high on your list is it...
Robb
<< <i>explain to me how Pryor was as impressive slicing up the slow Big 10 defenses as Manziel was slicing up the tough SEC defenses >>
I'm sure there were players on those defenses that could run rather fast. Not all 4.2 to 4.4 defenders play in the SEC.