PSA dominating SGC

edmundfitzgerald · July 24, 2013 7:55PM

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470,000 completed listings for PSA cards.
230,000 of those cards sold.

37,000 completed listings for SGC cards.
18,000 of those sold.

Baez578 · July 24, 2013 9:10PM

PSA is definitely taking over..... Unless its pre war stuff like goudeys and t206's.

It would be nice if they merged and we can see psa headers with SGC holders

japhi · July 24, 2013 11:07PM

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Also, I'd venture the vast majority of those PSA cards are just commons for Registry sets. Put a nice Just So Tobacco Cy Young or Tex Rickard Headin Home Babe Ruth or DeLong Gehrig in either company's holder and it will sell just fine. >>

I agree. The problem for SGC is the type of cards you list represent a very small percentage of the market.

mrmint23 · July 24, 2013 11:16PM

This is why a VCP membership is priceless. The avg sales price of SGC and PSA for many mid grade cards are within 5%. The exception is high grade star cards which PSA realizes a greater return. Sometimes the 5% is worth the loss when I can get a card back from SGC in 3 days instead of 3 weeks with PSA.

ThoseBackPages · July 25, 2013 12:14AM

Both seem to have a 50% sell through. Not horrible.

DetroitSquirreL · July 25, 2013 12:17AM

never cared for SGC much, I dont even look for them as Id just have to cross sub them into PSA. Like I did awhile ago and was extremely disappointed.

Maurice · July 25, 2013 12:57AM

<< I bet many of those sales were faked PSA holders-- per the giant scam out of Mexico. >>

I don't think so. That junk is usually sold in private transactions.

<< But honestly if you collect cards and not holders, the frame around the picture really means little. >>

Are you able to identify alterations? If not then you may want to rethink that.

<< Put a nice Just So Tobacco Cy Young or Tex Rickard Headin Home Babe Ruth or DeLong Gehrig in either company's holder and it will sell just fine. >>

Headin Home cards are garbage in any holder. Putting them in the same category as an elite card like the Just So Young or a blue chip card like the Delong Gehrig tells me you still have a lot to learn about this hobby.

CollectorAtWork · July 25, 2013 1:13AM

<< Headin Home cards are garbage in any holder. Putting them in the same category as an elite card like the Just So Young or a blue chip card like the Delong Gehrig tells me you still have a lot to learn about this hobby. >>

Please message me and send me any authentic Headin Home Ruth cards that you have rather than throw them in the garbage. I'll gladly pay for postage and throw in another $5.

Maurice · July 25, 2013 1:21AM

<< Please message me and send me any authentic Headin Home Ruth cards that you have rather than throw them in the garbage. I'll gladly pay for postage and throw in another $5. >>

The key word here is "authentic". And, like with Fro-Joys and Star Co. basketball cards, nobody can accurately authenticate them. Nobody.

orioles93 · July 25, 2013 1:24AM

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<< I bet many of those sales were faked PSA holders-- per the giant scam out of Mexico. >>

I don't think so. That junk is usually sold in private transactions.

<< But honestly if you collect cards and not holders, the frame around the picture really means little. >>

Are you able to identify alterations? If not then you may want to rethink that.

<< Put a nice Just So Tobacco Cy Young or Tex Rickard Headin Home Babe Ruth or DeLong Gehrig in either company's holder and it will sell just fine. >>

Headin Home cards are garbage in any holder. Putting them in the same category as an elite card like the Just So Young or a blue chip card like the Delong Gehrig tells me you still have a lot to learn about this hobby. >>

What are you talking about? Garbage? I guess when a card is graded a 2 and sells for over $7k it is garbage....

Link

Maurice · July 25, 2013 1:31AM

<< If you don't care for the Headin' Home Ruths, that is your subjective taste. The fact is they are very tough (check the pops) and desired by many a Ruth collector. They are mong his first depictions as a Yankee. >>

Do yourself a favor and get a W519 (numbered) instead. The unnumbered fits the bill also but the numbered looks better and is quite a bit tougher.

Maurice · July 25, 2013 1:36AM

<< Star cards can indeed be authenticated. BGS does a fine job. >>

Yeah, according to Taft and Crosner...

<< There was quite a great thread about that very topic a while back. >>

I am familiar with that thread. Perhaps you should read it again.

Maurice · July 25, 2013 1:42AM

<< What are you talking about? Garbage? I guess when a card is graded a 2 and sells for over $7k it is garbage....

Link >>

I stand by my comments.

CollectorAtWork · July 25, 2013 1:49AM

It's true that there are many counterfeit Headin' Home cards, but it's actually not that tough tell the authentic ones. The authentic ones look somewhat like photographs on the front. Here's my copy, and I also have a W519-1 Ruth, which I really like also, but I still think the Headin' Home is a better image.

Maurice · July 25, 2013 1:57AM

CollectorAtWork, that W519 is beautiful.

CollectorAtWork · July 25, 2013 2:02AM

<< CollectorAtWork, that W519 is beautiful. >>

Thanks!

bigdcards · July 25, 2013 3:29AM

If we are only talking about the market, the numbers have always been this way, haven't they? I feel like you should change the title to "Nothing New, PSA Dominates the Market" - If you mean grading, I really get a chuckle out of those threads. They remind me of walking into an apple store and having people deny any problems you have ever had with a Mac. In terms of grading, we are living in one serious glass house. The comment on the card holding the value will mean everything at some point. But right now the registry is still king and the holders dictate a significant amount of the value.

hyperchipper09 · July 25, 2013 4:57AM

Grading wise: No difference overall. I've got undergraded PSA's and SGC's and overgraded PSA's and SGC's.
Holder: SGC domination. Not even worth comparing.
Niche in the market: PSA self created their own with the registry early on. Kudo's to them for creating a market for PSA 10 commons. SGC has a registry, not a very good one, will never catch up.
I like both companies, foolish of me to say otherwise. I wish them both success.
PSA is the clear leader in TPG. That cannot be disputed.

grote15 · July 25, 2013 4:59AM

<< Grading wise: No difference overall. I've got undergraded PSA's and SGC's and overgraded PSA's and SGC's.
Holder: SGC domination. Not even worth comparing.
Niche in the market: PSA self created their own with the registry early on. Kudo's to them for creating a market for PSA 10 commons. SGC has a registry, not a very good one, will never catch up.
I like both companies, foolish of me to say otherwise. I wish them both success.
PSA is the clear leader in TPG. That cannot be disputed. >>

I think this is a pretty good summation..

LeonLuckey · July 25, 2013 5:44AM

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The key word here is "authentic". And, like with Fro-Joys and Star Co. basketball cards, nobody can accurately authenticate them. Nobody. >>

I can.

But getting back to the question. Both PSA and SGC have their niches. Both are good companies.

jackstraw · July 25, 2013 9:05AM

I have been wishing for years for SGC to change their flip.
Now PSA has done something to their holders to make every card
look like its trimmed?

Maurice · July 25, 2013 8:19PM

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The key word here is "authentic". And, like with Fro-Joys and Star Co. basketball cards, nobody can accurately authenticate them. Nobody. >>

I can. >>

Why are your Headin Home cards raw?

LeonLuckey · July 25, 2013 9:55PM

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The key word here is "authentic". And, like with Fro-Joys and Star Co. basketball cards, nobody can accurately authenticate them. Nobody. >>

I can. >>

Why are your Headin Home cards raw? >>

Unlike some people I don't get every card graded. They are in my safe deposit box but I have marked down that one is in a PSA AUT holder. I will try to verify that (probably today) as I have to go there anyway. Also, 2 of these are clearly trimmed. I won't get them, or the other one graded, unless I go to sell them. I don't think SGC will grade them but do think BVG and PSA will. They are definitely real. Had you said "some" of the Fro Joys and 1928 Babe Ruth Candy cards are too hard to tell if they are legit to be graded, I would have agreed. I have spent a long time with more than one grading service grader speaking about these type cards, while comparing each under magnification. There are some of those ( Fro Joy and Babe Ruth Candy) cards that I don't think can be told, 100%, if they are real or not. Those can't be put in holders. I would estimate that is much less than 5% of these 3 type cards. I have handled at least 10 of the Headin' Home cards. If you know pre-war cards very well they aren't that difficult. ON the other hand, those Fro Joys and Babe Ruth Candy can really be tough. Headin Home cards not so much. Just because you probably can't tell a legit one doesn't mean no one can. Maybe you should study cards, by holding them, and then come back a bit more intelligently.

Maurice · July 25, 2013 10:53PM

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The key word here is "authentic". And, like with Fro-Joys and Star Co. basketball cards, nobody can accurately authenticate them. Nobody. >>

I can. >>

Why are your Headin Home cards raw? >>

Unlike some people I don't get every card graded. >>

Wrong answer. The fact is, you've been trying to get them graded for many years but haven't been able to.

Maurice · July 25, 2013 11:03PM

mrmint23 · July 25, 2013 11:10PM

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The key word here is "authentic". And, like with Fro-Joys and Star Co. basketball cards, nobody can accurately authenticate them. Nobody. >>

I can. >>

Why are your Headin Home cards raw? >>

Unlike some people I don't get every card graded. >>

Wrong answer. The fact is, you've been trying to get them graded for many years but haven't been able to.

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How can a statement about 1 incident be considered a continuous action?

LeonLuckey · July 25, 2013 11:12PM

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The key word here is "authentic". And, like with Fro-Joys and Star Co. basketball cards, nobody can accurately authenticate them. Nobody. >>

I can. >>

Why are your Headin Home cards raw? >>

Unlike some people I don't get every card graded. >>

Wrong answer. The fact is, you've been trying to get them graded for many years but haven't been able to.

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You obviously can't comprehend the English language either. I said above, in my current post, SGC wouldn't grade them...and you verified what I said by posting my message from 5 yrs. ago. I haven't gone back to SGC to try. They are real. I don't need anyone, including a grading company, to verify that. I have studied and handled them as much, or more, as most graders. SGC wasn't comfortable grading them at that time 5 yrs ago. Since then they said they would relook at them but I haven't taken them back. Obviously you show one graded though, so they have more comfort with them today. Thank you for corroborating what I said. I appreciate that. BTW, just how many of these have you handled or owned? And what is your name? I doubt it's Maurice....

Maurice · July 25, 2013 11:40PM

<< SGC wasn't comfortable grading them at that time 5 yrs ago. Since then they said they would relook at them but I haven't taken them back. Obviously you show one graded though, so they have more comfort with them today. >>

The SGC graded example I posted was graded at least 5 years ago. Perhaps SGC just wasn't comfortable grading your Headin Home cards.

mrmint23 · July 25, 2013 11:52PM

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<< SGC wasn't comfortable grading them at that time 5 yrs ago. Since then they said they would relook at them but I haven't taken them back. Obviously you show one graded though, so they have more comfort with them today. >>

The SGC graded example I posted was graded at least 5 years ago. Perhaps SGC just wasn't comfortable grading your Headin Home cards. >>

Maurice...based on your supplied evidence..Leon states a few Nationals ago...which would mean at the earliest 2006 probably 2005 since the post is dated 2/06/08...Thus he presented his card to SGC at least 7 years ago.

LeonLuckey · July 26, 2013 12:08AM

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<< SGC wasn't comfortable grading them at that time 5 yrs ago. Since then they said they would relook at them but I haven't taken them back. Obviously you show one graded though, so they have more comfort with them today. >>

The SGC graded example I posted was graded at least 5 years ago. Perhaps SGC just wasn't comfortable grading your Headin Home cards. >>

I am not arguing with an internet troll anymore. All that matters to me is that I know they are real. If I thought they weren't, or they were proven to not be real, they wouldn't be in my collection. I had the conversations with SGC, at their table, at the National...back several yrs ago. At that time they wouldn't grade any of them. Happy collecting.

LeonLuckey · July 26, 2013 1:36AM

Not to belabor the point too much but I commented that I think I had a Headin Home card that might have been authenticated by PSA. I did but cracked it and kept the flip and card (see below). So this begs the question to Maurice (or whatever your real name is). I have this one, you showed an SGC one, I have sold a PSA 2 recently...and I see that on Spence's Ruth Master set he has one in a PSA 2 holder and there looks to be another graded likewise. So that makes 5 of them graded at least AUT, by 2 different respected companies. I also know I can authenticate them. Yet you say no one can authenticate them, no one. How can that be? Are both PSA and SGC grading cards they are unsure of? I think the answer is NO, and you don't have a freaking clue what you are talking about. Just my opinion...

CollectorAtWork · July 26, 2013 3:23AM

Leon, I can't believe you didn't sell me one of your Headin' Home cards!

LeonLuckey · July 26, 2013 3:29AM

<< Leon, I can't believe you didn't sell me one of your Headin' Home cards!

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I have sold one, not long ago, and I still regret it.

I got 3x what I paid for it too!!

Maurice · July 26, 2013 10:21AM

Personal attacks are the last refuge of someone who's lost a debate.

PSA dominating SGC

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