Update - Disappointing Result in OP - 1964 Peace Dollar FOIA request -- Any Questions?

MsMorrisine

Perhaps we should contact the NSA and PRISM? They seem to know everything.


FOIA Result -

The US Mint maintains no records that are responsive to your request.

Records from that time have been transferred to the National Archives.

In short - try there.




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On the schedule, a promised FOIA request made in another thread.

I will be writing the US Mint to ask for copies of any pictures they may have of 1964 peace dollars they potentially took for later counterfeit/stolen coin identification.

I will also request if there are, in fact, any original surviving coins being held under the Treasury Dept.(just in case) or Mint.



I hope to have this written this weekend.




Any other questions to consider re: 1964 peace dollars?

philographer

Number minted
Number released
Number recovered
Number melted

CaptHenway

<< <i>On the schedule, a promised FOIA request made in another thread.

I will be writing the US Mint to ask for copies of any pictures they may have of 1964 peace dollars they potentially took for later counterfeit/stolen coin identification.

I will also request if there are, in fact, any original surviving coins being held under the Treasury Dept.(just in case) or Mint.



I hope to have this written this weekend.




Any other questions to consider re: 1964 peace dollars? >>



Ask if any were ever recovered that had left the Mint.

Zoins

This is a cool idea.

I recommend asking if there was ever an employee sale.

Tookybandit

Great idea! Super cool too if you get a response!

messydesk

You might want to contact Roger Burdette to see if he has done anything like this regarding these coins.

PerryHall

<< <i>Great idea! Super cool too if you get a response! >>



And, if you get a response, will it be believable? Also, are you ready to be audited by the IRS?

Zoins

<< <i>Also, are you ready to be audited by the IRS? >>



Audits are only a big deal if you can't pass.

astrorat

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<< <i>Great idea! Super cool too if you get a response! >>



And, if you get a response, will it be believable? Also, are you ready to be audited by the IRS? >>

Just don't say your being patriotic or you enjoy tea parties and you should be fine.

tahoe98

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<< <i>Great idea! Super cool too if you get a response! >>



And, if you get a response, will it be believable? Also, are you ready to be audited by the IRS? >>

Just don't say your being patriotic or you enjoy tea parties and you should be fine. >>



...WOW! how true! i'm not sure i'd even mention the word "tea" at all! coffee anyone?

MsMorrisine

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<< <i>Great idea! Super cool too if you get a response! >>



And, if you get a response, will it be believable? Also, are you ready to be audited by the IRS? >>




There are a couple of thing on our tax returns that should give the IRS comfort. One is that we report even $50 consulting fees without any 1099s.


Yes, I'm more than prepared to be audited, but I think the IRS will pass.

CaptHenway

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<< <i>Great idea! Super cool too if you get a response! >>



And, if you get a response, will it be believable? >>



Good question.

MsMorrisine

Believable? Maybe, maybe not. Perhaps there is a fiasco to hide, perhaps they can live with the reality of a past fiasco, perhaps they can't.

droopyd

The FOIA requires the requestor to pay the cost of searching/researching, compiling and copying the documents that are germane to the request. Freedom isn't free.

Zoins

<< <i>The FOIA requires the requestor to pay the cost of searching/researching, compiling and copying the documents that are germane to the request. Freedom isn't free. >>



Don't forget redacting.

It's not free either way. This way the requestor pays. The other way, all tax payers pay.

Lakesammman

If you get audited, do like the Alaskans - put a couple dead ripe muskrats in your coat pockets, then sit down and just smile.

MsMorrisine

Well, I can handle some fees in the public interest.

tlbrown

Or any official correspondents/ letters to and from Treasury (DC) to US Mint director Adams during that time period might be interesting. As well as Mint employee sales procedures and documentation purchases. My thinking on the last point is that if I'm a Denver mint employee who is identified as having purchased two Peace Dollars (that I now know have been recalled and ordered destroyed) do I hold on them, or wait till a Mint supervisor calls me to the front office. Just a thought. Best of luck and great idea.

Overdate

Were any of these dollars released to Mint officials or other public officials? If so, were they returned?

SaorAlba

I'd suggest a thorough check of the LBJ Library - he was reputed to have received the first coin struck since he was an ardent supporter of the coin.

MsMorrisine

Well, this could cost an arm and a leg.

The Mint web page for FOIA refers to an online submission process.

I did that. All questions in here submitted.

Casman

Last foia from the forums was for the 2008 reverse of 2007...can't remember the amount but we did a collection...IIRC 300 bucks or smoething...

morgansforever

How were they accounted for, weight, each one examined? What sort of records were kept, in regards to who purchased them?

MsMorrisine

I'm thinking 1k or more....

which is more than I care to front on my own.


When the idea was first circulated last year, it was more about any photos they may have. I may stop with that and if there are any survivors.

TwoSides2aCoin

I want to know if the ghost of Israel Switt ever haunted any workers at the U.S. Mint in Denver, way back in '64. Anything is possible and from the position some people take, there may be some bones in the closet.

MsMorrisine

<< <i>How were they accounted for, weight, each one examined? What sort of records were kept, in regards to who purchased them? >>



the accounted for question is in there
legal sales to mint employees was asked, but not what kind of records were kept. ~50 years later, they will only be looking at paper or photos of paper.

ricko

Neat idea, however, I think Roger dd a fairly intensive search of the mints records on this issue.... True, could always be more or material overlooked. Look forward to the results. Cheers, RickO

robertpr

I also look forward to seeing the results. What a cool idea. Thanks for doing this.

crypto79

screw the mint and write to the secret service for an opinion

rays

I doubt any 1964 Peace Dollars exist. You only hear the faintest of whispers about anyone possessing one.

With the 1933 Double Eagle, for many years at least one specimen was known, as it was sold by Sotheby's at public auction after his majesty King Farouk was deposed in a 1952 coup d'etat.

MsMorrisine

Your request for Fee Waiver for the FOIA request has been denied.


I tried to make a case based upon internet dissemination. I think it'd help if I were a journalist.

silverpop

lots of luck

MsMorrisine

Bump result in OP

ModCrewman

Bummer.

I'd guess folks like RWB chuckle to themselves at your request thinking it would be that easy to uncover the answers; but heck it was worth a shot.

BryceM

So you're giving up already?

MsMorrisine

I think the next tep is getting in touch with RWB.

I kind of wish I took him up on the public offer of learning coin research back a couple years ago when he made it.

It'd be more fun and probably more economical to research it myself. (Whenever that time arises.)

Coinosaurus

<< <i>Bummer.

I'd guess folks like RWB chuckle to themselves at your request thinking it would be that easy to uncover the answers; but heck it was worth a shot. >>



No chuckling in these parts. Once in awhile you DO get lucky as a researcher. One time I went to go look for something at the Nat Archives - archivist tells me, you won't find it........five minutes later, it's in my hands.......

magikbilly

"...screw the mint..."


From http://www.us-coin-values-advisor.com

Best wishes,
Eric

19Lyds

<< <i>Perhaps we should contact the NSA and PRISM? They seem to know everything.


FOIA Result -

The US Mint maintains no records that are responsive to your request.

Records from that time have been transferred to the National Archives.

In short - try there.




===============================================================================

On the schedule, a promised FOIA request made in another thread.

I will be writing the US Mint to ask for copies of any pictures they may have of 1964 peace dollars they potentially took for later counterfeit/stolen coin identification.

I will also request if there are, in fact, any original surviving coins being held under the Treasury Dept.(just in case) or Mint.



I hope to have this written this weekend.




Any other questions to consider re: 1964 peace dollars? >>

Do you suppose that Roger Burdette did not pursue this avenue (FOIA) while writing about the 1964-D Peace Dollars in his book? I expect he may have since he then went to the National Archives whichm from what I understand, he spends a lot of time at anyway.

mrpotatoheadd

<< <i>Do you suppose that Roger Burdette did not pursue this avenue (FOIA) while writing about the 1964-D Peace Dollars in his book? >>

The government said all the 1964 dollars were melted and then they said they weren't, when a couple of them turned up later. Do you suppose that different FOIA requests on a particular topic might possibly generate different results?

johnny9434

this is going to be an ongoing thing forever and a day here. let see what happens.

DaveG

Here are some comments by RWB from ATS:

FOIA Result -
The US Mint maintains no records that are responsive to your request.
Records from that time have been transferred to the National Archives.
In short - try there.

I'd guess folks like RWB chuckle to themselves at your request thinking it would be that easy to uncover the answers; but heck it was worth a shot.
[No. Just a sigh of resignation. The difficulty, time and analysis required are much greater than collectors presume. If accurate results were easy, we would already know “everything.”]


I think the next step is getting in touch with RWB.
I kind of wish I took him up on the public offer of learning coin research back a couple years ago when he made it.
It'd be more fun and probably more economical to research it myself. (Whenever that time arises.)
[It might be much more interesting to go to NARA and find the materials yourself. The footnotes in the Peace Dollar book will get you started. The offer to show collectors how to do basic numismatic research failed. There was no funding and almost no collector interest. Register sets and grade picking are much more important...?]


No chuckling in these parts. Once in a while you DO get lucky as a researcher. One time I went to go look for something at the Nat Archives - archivist tells me, you won't find it........five minutes later, it's in my hands.......
[In College Park it can take ½ a day just to get your first box of materials. If you guessed wrong in selecting the box, you will wait another 1 to 2 hours for a different cart of boxes. Philadelphia was better, but after they finish moving stuff, it might take even longer]


Do you suppose that Roger Burdette did not pursue this avenue (FOIA) while writing about the 1964-D Peace Dollars in his book? I expect he may have since he then went to the National Archives which from what I understand, he spends a lot of time at anyway.
[I did not file a FOIA request because I was already aware of multiple previous requests. All of those failed for the same reason as MsMorrisine’s. All that anyone got was a copy of the press release threatening collectors. ]


The government said all the 1964 dollars were melted and then they said they weren't, when a couple of them turned up later. Do you suppose that different FOIA requests on a particular topic might possibly generate different results?
[Nope. Like most, you have fact, fiction and imagination all crumpled together. The pieces made at Denver were reported melted by weight. A few experimental pieces made at Philadelphia were retained for reference, then destroyed by the Mint Chief Technologist.]

Moral: Buy the book first. It would have saved the ATS- OP a lot of irritation and time. It also would have provided answers to most of the questions. Further, if a reader decided my research was faulty, they could always follow the footnotes to the exact location of the documents. That’s the purpose of those annoying little numbers….