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  • Garloo57Garloo57 Posts: 12 ✭✭
    From the photo it appears to be MS67 quality...
  • jmj3esqjmj3esq Posts: 5,421
    The hits on Lee's head and nose and the nick under McClellan's eye make this one MS64. On a good day maybe MS65.
  • keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,531 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The hits on Lee's head and nose and the nick under McClellan's eye make this one MS64. On a good day maybe MS65. >>

    And then I am not sure if it is just the photo or if in fact the coin is lacking strong luster...but if that is the case then I too would vote 64/65. I think it is a nice coin.
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  • MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭

    I thought the obverse hit was distracting to knock it out of Gem MS,
    The lack luster surfaces knocked it down to MS 63 in my eyes. I freely
    admit, I suck at grading early Commems !!

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  • USMoneyloverUSMoneylover Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭
    Thanks for all the guesses so far...I just wanted to mention that the luster is all there, my photos just don't show it very well.
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  • shorecollshorecoll Posts: 5,447 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I voted 65, but think it's a 64 because of the nick. If it's in NGC plastic it's at least a 65. I wouldn't be shocked to see it in a PC65 holder, but I wouldn't buy it at that, either.
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  • I voted 64 based on the coin looking a bit flat. If luster is there, as you said, then I could see it as a 65. Nice coin!
  • yellowkidyellowkid Posts: 5,486
    I go with 65ish, the worst place(s) to have hits.
  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This issue is much rarer in MS63 than MS66.

    An honest crusty XF is probably tougher than a 67.

    I've seen a 68 with amazing purples etc and with an almost identical mark on Lee's forehead. I didn't agree with the 68. But, for this one, because I deduce from the photography that the lustre (as should be expected) is close to blazing (here it looks more satiny than they usually come), I voted 66.

    Only coins with strong frosty lustre can pick up that kind of color on the rim. Not a grade changer, just an imaging "tell"
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  • KoveKove Posts: 2,038 ✭✭✭✭
    I voted MS 65, but this coin could go anywhere from 64-66 depending on how it pops in-hand. I don't think the marks are anywhere near bad enough to preclude a gem grade.
  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,180 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ill go ms 65 as well.
  • mdwoodsmdwoods Posts: 5,559 ✭✭✭
    66 if it has decent luster
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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,773 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It might be the fault of the photo, but I graded it MS-63. The coin appears to not have its original skin from too much dipping. The mark on Lee's forehead precludes anything better than MS-64 regardless of the surfaces.

    This one is in an old NGC MS-65 holder. This was one of the first "better commemoratives" I bought back in the 1990s, and I paid way too much for it, but it is a nice original example. As Col Jessip told us this issue comes nice so you can be fussy when you are looking for one.

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  • daOnlyBGdaOnlyBG Posts: 1,060 ✭✭


    << <i>It might be the fault of the photo... coin appears to not have its original skin from too much dipping...this issue comes nice so you can be fussy when you are looking for one. >>


    +1

    The picture shows a pretty weak luster, but if indeed it's there, I could go as high as an MS66. The silver's "grainy luster" isn't there, though, and instead I see strange, weak horizontal streaks across the coin. Put me down for MS64.
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  • sparky64sparky64 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I went 65 before peeking at others opinions.
    The forehead and cheekbone nicks seem minor but yet I noticed them quickly.
    I like the coin and the photo.

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  • sniocsusniocsu Posts: 1,291 ✭✭✭
    66 IMO. But my opinion is not worth a crap on these. Commemoratives are firmly outside of my wheelhouse.
  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My initial thoughts were at least 64, but upon further examination of the photos I see no reason it shouldn't be a 65.

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  • USMoneyloverUSMoneylover Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭
    The coin is graded MS64 by PCGS. It's in an old green label holder. My opinion of the coin is that it's a very nice 64, and It wouldn't bother me to see it in an MS65 holder.
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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,773 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Don't hold your breath when it comes to getting an MS-65 for this piece. The Antietam commemorative half dollar is like the 1881-S Morgan dollar. There are a lot of high grade ones out there, and the competition is stiff for getting the coin in an MS-65 or 66 holder. That mark on Lee's head is enough to bring it down. Only a drop in past standards will get this coin an upgrade.
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  • SeattleSlammerSeattleSlammer Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Don't hold your breath when it comes to getting an MS-65 for this piece. The Antietam commemorative half dollar is like the 1881-S Morgan dollar. There are a lot of high grade ones out there, and the competition is stiff for getting the coin in an MS-65 or 66 holder. That mark on Lee's head is enough to bring it down. Only a drop in past standards will get this coin an upgrade. >>




    Some coins with large price spreads in the next grade up may see more of a grading bias IMO. Not common date Morgans. Is this Antietem a gem? Maybe. I don't think it needs any drop in standards to make gem today with a try or two.

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