They are still out there. The big raw ones.

tradedollarnut · May 28, 2013 3:11PM

Waiting to be graded. So many near or over million dollar coins have sold in the past few years that had never been to the grading services until shortly before or after being consigned. A few that come to mind are the Bullowa 1795 dollar (now MS66), the PCGS MS65 1796 dollar, the Newman territorial, the Quint. Do not be fooled into thinking that we as collectors have seen it all - even the TPGs haven't!

Any others of note?

northcoin · May 28, 2013 3:34PM

<< Waiting to be graded. So many near or over million dollar coins have sold in the past few years that had never been to the grading services until shortly before or after being consigned. A few that come to mind are the Bullowa 1795 dollar (now MS66), the PCGS MS65 1796 dollar, the Newman territorial, the Quint. Do not be fooled into thinking that we as collectors have seen it all - even the TPGs haven't!

Any others of note? >>

One can only hope. I just sent a 1795 $5 and a 1795 $10 gold piece off that to my knowledge have never been submitted for grading and I have had them for quite a few years.

CaptHenway · May 28, 2013 3:52PM

There's at least one 1933 $20 out there that is not in a slab......

Walkerguy21D · May 28, 2013 9:35PM

I would guess display pieces in museums and various philanthropic donations to various organizations from old time collections would fit this.

DeliaBug · May 28, 2013 10:08PM

I don't know but I've read it on this forum ad nauseum that all the good coins are already slabbed.

ricko · May 28, 2013 11:40PM

<< There's at least one 1933 $20 out there that is not in a slab...... >>

And at least one 1964 Peace Dollar being closely held .......

Cheers, RickO

IrishMikey · May 29, 2013 4:13AM

Ricko, you are just being a tease...

Aegis3 · May 29, 2013 11:29AM

<< There's at least one 1933 $20 out there that is not in a slab...... >>

Aren't there at least four that aren't slabbed? The two SI coins, the universally-regarded-as-legal one, and the other photographed back in the 1980's one?

CaptHenway · May 29, 2013 11:59AM

<< 

<< There's at least one 1933 $20 out there that is not in a slab...... >>

Aren't there at least four that aren't slabbed? The two SI coins, the universally-regarded-as-legal one, and the other photographed back in the 1980's one? >>

By "out there" I meant still in the wild. The other three are well accounted for.

bestclser1 · May 29, 2013 1:18PM

Great thread but see them all the time,if i only had the time and money

But this is my hobby not my job.!

SethChandler · May 29, 2013 5:03PM

There was a really nice 1796 half cent out of England that sold back in Jan for 350kish. I think I heard it was a Gem, do not know what holder it ended up in.

northcoin · May 29, 2013 7:51PM

To the board member who PM'd me - OK, these are the best I could do for photos before the 1795's were sent off.

<< 

<< Waiting to be graded. So many near or over million dollar coins have sold in the past few years that had never been to the grading services until shortly before or after being consigned. A few that come to mind are the Bullowa 1795 dollar (now MS66), the PCGS MS65 1796 dollar, the Newman territorial, the Quint. Do not be fooled into thinking that we as collectors have seen it all - even the TPGs haven't!

Any others of note? >>

One can only hope. I just sent a 1795 $5 and a 1795 $10 gold piece off that to my knowledge have never been submitted for grading and I have had them for quite a few years.

>>

CaptHenway · May 30, 2013 12:11AM

Back in the early 80's I went, as a representative of the ANA, to upstate New York to assist the family of a member that had died in 1940! They wanted to know if their 1804 Dollar was genuine! After the collector had died, his widow had stored the collection in a bank for over 40 years, until she died.

Well, the 1804 was not genuine, but the 1876-CC 20 cents was! Ton of great stuff off the radar for over 40 years. Was sold by Bowers as the Emery-Nichols Collection.

There is lots more stuff out there not in slabe because the current owners JUST DON'T CARE!!!! Nor do they have to!

Automatically dismissing a coin because it is not in a slab is stupid.

Mowgli · May 30, 2013 12:49AM

<< There is lots more stuff out there not in slabs because the current owners JUST DON'T CARE!!!! Nor do they have to!

Automatically dismissing a coin because it is not in a slab is stupid. >>

If there are monster coins out there raw, think of how many other nice coins out there that are not encapsulated.

coindeuce · May 30, 2013 1:52AM

There is an 1894-S dime out there...

tradedollarnut · May 30, 2013 2:33AM

<< There is an 1894-S dime out there...

>>

And an 1885 trade dollar

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ColonelJessup · May 30, 2013 8:12AM

<< There is an 1894-S dime out there...

>>

The VG (?) that was stolen from a Pittsburgh show in the 80's? Too lazy to check the DLRC census

northcoin · May 30, 2013 6:06PM

<< There was that Continental dollar that graded MS at PCGS last year, the owner thought it was a counterfeit, you wonder how many examples like that there are? >>

I recall how exciting it was when the Brother Jonathan and Central America coins "surfaced." There have to be few more shipwrecks with treasures waiting to be graded.

SethChandler · May 31, 2013 2:31AM

I looked at a Pan Pac set, in the purple box here locally that a collector owns. Paperwork and all. This was two years ago. All raw and gemmy.

I also saw another one in 1989ish, original family, but is was auctioned in 1990. So I am sure its slabbed.

SethChandler · May 31, 2013 2:36AM

Oh, Hello, I forgot a bank museum here in SF has an incredible collection of Pioneer, all raw and displayed. I heard a lot was bought from John Jay Ford in the 50's and 60's. So its got a few, ummm.....contempory counterfeits shall we say.

Baldwin 20
The best beavers I've ever seen, especially the ten. Sharp strike.
set of Mormans...yes 10 and 20
40 or so others great Pioneer.

There's threads around here with pics, just search.

CaptHenway · May 31, 2013 2:48AM

<< Oh, Hello, I forgot a bank museum here in SF has an incredible collection of Pioneer, all raw and displayed. I heard a lot was bought from John Jay Ford in the 50's and 60's. So its got a few, ummm.....contempory counterfeits shall we say.

Baldwin 20
The best beavers I've ever seen, especially the ten. Sharp strike.
set of Mormans...yes 10 and 20
40 or so others great Pioneer.

There's threads around here with pics, just search. >>

Kewl! Which bank?

ColonelJessup · May 31, 2013 2:51AM

<< Back in the early 80's I went, as a representative of the ANA, to upstate New York to assist the family of a member that had died in 1940! They wanted to know if their 1804 Dollar was genuine! After the collector had died, his widow had stored the collection in a bank for over 40 years, until she died.

Well, the 1804 was not genuine, but the 1876-CC 20 cents was! Ton of great stuff off the radar for over 40 years. Was sold by Bowers as the Emery-Nichols Collection.

There is lots more stuff out there not in slabe because the current owners JUST DON'T CARE!!!! Nor do they have to!

Automatically dismissing a coin because it is not in a slab is stupid. >>

Wonderfully gorgeous coins. Jay Miller and I went nuts and probably sold half of what we bought even before the money was due.

CaptHenway · May 31, 2013 2:59AM

<< 

<< Back in the early 80's I went, as a representative of the ANA, to upstate New York to assist the family of a member that had died in 1940! They wanted to know if their 1804 Dollar was genuine! After the collector had died, his widow had stored the collection in a bank for over 40 years, until she died.

Well, the 1804 was not genuine, but the 1876-CC 20 cents was! Ton of great stuff off the radar for over 40 years. Was sold by Bowers as the Emery-Nichols Collection.

There is lots more stuff out there not in slabe because the current owners JUST DON'T CARE!!!! Nor do they have to!

Automatically dismissing a coin because it is not in a slab is stupid. >>

Wonderfully gorgeous coins. Jay Miller and I went nuts and probably sold half of what we bought even before the money was due.

>>

Everything was in Wayte Raymond holders! I oohed! I aahed!

They should have sold that complete set of 20 cent piece in the Raymond holder!

northcoin · May 31, 2013 4:56AM

<< Oh, Hello, I forgot a bank museum here in SF has an incredible collection of Pioneer, all raw and displayed. I heard a lot was bought from John Jay Ford in the 50's and 60's. So its got a few, ummm.....contempory counterfeits shall we say.

Baldwin 20
The best beavers I've ever seen, especially the ten. Sharp strike.
set of Mormans...yes 10 and 20
40 or so others great Pioneer.

There's threads around here with pics, just search. >>

Heading to SF later this summer, any details on the location and its hours for viewing?

ebaybuyer · May 31, 2013 5:38AM

there are probably quite a few collectors that just dont care about registry set bragging rights, or what a TPG's opinion would be, top pops, none of it matters ... at least i hope im not the only one

SethChandler · May 31, 2013 5:40AM

Here's the thread to the collection:

Bank of California thread

Do you think the 1853 US Assay Twenty Proof is legit? Or is it from the Massapeqa Mint?

FreddieH · June 1, 2013 8:34PM

That is not the accepted pro quo of these boards

everything good is already in plastic
if its not in plastic then its been submitted and has problems
dont dare question the infinite wisdom of the "LOL"

renman95 · June 1, 2013 11:08PM

<< 

<< There's at least one 1933 $20 out there that is not in a slab...... >>

And at least one 1964 Peace Dollar being closely held .......

Cheers, RickO >>

That drum beat is getting louder and....

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ebaybuyer · June 2, 2013 12:33AM

i am willing to bet that there are as many raw coins that could holder as there are holdered ones that should not be

CaptHenway · June 2, 2013 1:32AM

<< Here's the thread to the collection:

Bank of California thread

Do you think the 1853 US Assay Twenty Proof is legit? Or is it from the Massapeqa Mint? >>

Thanks!

My notes with the diagnostics of the U.S.A.O.G. $20 are still packed, but it looks like one of the bad ones.

The Humbert ingot is also suspect.

TwoSides2aCoin · June 2, 2013 1:49AM

I like this thread title. Anyone who believes that there aren't some "big" coins still out there in the raw, probably doesn't have a nice view of "big" and "raw", anyway... And besides that, I need something to look forward to so this statement from one of the greats is inspiring.

cladking · June 2, 2013 1:54AM

It will probably take three generations before essentially all valuable coins have
been seen by the services. Many coins will just be passed down in the family until
they are eventually slabbed and sold. Of course, for some coins this will occur much
faster because turnover tends to be higher for some coins. Among these higher turn-
over coins are the extremely valuable ones that must be sold for financial reasons such
as taxes. Esoteric and scarce valuable coins also likely to have higher turnovers.

There aren't many of what the hobby calls "old time collections" (those made in the '20's
and '30's) surviving but there are many collections made more recently that will include coins
from these older sources and will come on the market for another 30 years. While relatively few
high value coins remain there are still significant numbers of gradable coins in aggregate. This will
affect some pops of some things like '16-D dimes in chUnc and Gem Morgans.

CaptHenway · June 2, 2013 2:04AM

I went to a Colorado Springs Coin Club meeting the other night to rejoin and introduce myself. There were 35 people in the room besides me. Only one person knew me from CU, though another person there has since joined. Who knows what those people have in their collections?

They are still out there. The big raw ones.

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