Most Overrated BB Set Of All Time?????

cincyredlegs · May 22, 2013 9:50PM

For me it has to be 1978 and 1979 Topps. A pure plain and ugly design. Not sure why anyone would want to put a PSA 9 or 10 set together. Just flushing money down the toliet.

Mark

Yankees001 · May 22, 2013 10:08PM

<< For me it has to be 1978 and 1979 Topps. A pure plain and ugly design. Not sure why anyone would want to put a PSA 9 or 10 set together. Just flushing money down the toliet.

Mark >>

My two favorite sets of the 1970's.

As far as Overrated I'd go with 1960 Topps or 1975 Topps.

As far as I'm concerned some crap sets are: 1982 till today, 1977, 1976, 1974 - 1972

I've never been a fan of most sets, the design turns me off to most sets.

Dave

Foo3112 · May 22, 2013 10:08PM

I agree Mark. That set is hideous and pretty much all the 8's and even most of the 9's are worthless. So worthless in fact that I bet some would even be so desperate that they could probably make more money off selling the wrappers and gum. But we don't know anyone who's shady around here that would do that because its just common sense not to sell those. Especially when you truly care about the hobby.

letsgocapitals · May 22, 2013 10:23PM

Can you imagine if the flips were personalized for those sets? 9s and 10s would probably be worth pennies.

Downtown1974 · May 22, 2013 11:02PM

I like the 78 and 79 Topps issues. They make great shims when you slide them under the leg of a wobbly chair or table.

Dialj · May 22, 2013 11:11PM

Baseball
1960s - I would go with the 1961.
1970s - I would go with the 1977-1979.

handyman · May 22, 2013 11:20PM

Baseball
1960s - I would go with the 1962
1970s - I would go with the 1977-1979

Brick · May 22, 2013 11:49PM

1978 and 1979 would have a warm spot in the heart of someone who was a youngster at that time. Those players will remain their favorites throughout their lives. I can understand someone putting those sets together. My favorites are those that played when I was a youngster many years ago. I am shocked to see 1960 listed as a set with little respect. My offer is still good. I will pay full SMR or even a little more for any 1960 Topps PSA 8 NQ I common need for my set.

Edited to note commons not star or individually listed cards.

Brick · May 22, 2013 11:52PM

Dang. Still wrote it halfassed backwards. I must quit drinking Bud Lite for breakfast.

Dialj · May 23, 2013 12:03AM

Ralph,

I think that one of the reasons the 60 set keeps coming up as overrated has to due with the drastic change Topps made. The odd design with colors and going back to a horizontal format was a little shocking to some. Personally, I like the cards and have enjoyed putting the set together.

On another note, at least it's not Black Label or Schiltz

WalterSobchak · May 23, 2013 12:06AM

In my opinion, the 1979 Topps set isn't popular enough to be wildly overrated. I could take or leave it, personally. I have always loved the '78 Topps set and continue to do so.

My pick for most overrated baseball set by a landslide- and I'll probably get my ass handed to me for this- is 1975 Topps Mini. It's just like the regular set in every way..... only the cards are smaller. Oooooooh, thrilling.

ldferg · May 23, 2013 12:12AM

I don't think these are necessarily over rated but I'm not too fond of 1960 and 1976 for some odd reason.

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corncobb · May 23, 2013 12:27AM

My pick is also the 75 Mini's.

ThoseBackPages · May 23, 2013 12:41AM

1952 Topps

bishop · May 23, 2013 12:43AM

The Topps 1978 Zest Soap set

handyman · May 23, 2013 12:51AM

Didnt include the minis as I see it as an extra set and not a regular set like 1970 Topps supers or something.
But yes I would put the 1975 Minis in the top 2 for overated set.

CubsKiller99 · May 23, 2013 1:07AM

To be overrated you first have to be highly rated -- so I'm going with 1967.

A lot of the cards are really great and no doubt of that, but many of my favorite key
players (Mantle, Mays, Clemente, etc.) feature very boring headshots. For that
reason I've never been interested in the set.

MintMoondog · May 23, 2013 1:14AM

<< In my opinion, the 1979 Topps set isn't popular enough to be wildly overrated. I could take or leave it, personally. I have always loved the '78 Topps set and continue to do so.

My pick for most overrated baseball set by a landslide- and I'll probably get my ass handed to me for this- is 1975 Topps Mini. It's just like the regular set in every way..... only the cards are smaller. Oooooooh, thrilling. >>

I agree! The 1975 mini is a garbage set with no redeeming value. Please bid elsewhere.

digicat · May 23, 2013 1:22AM

An alternate title for this thread is "what set do you hate that others like?"

mcadams · May 23, 2013 1:24AM

I'll be the 1st to say T206. I understand the appeal of the star cards in high grade and the rare variations, but if I can buy VG condition raw cards for $10-$15 bucks a piece (which you can on the BST on Net54), then that tells me the supply of these cards is pretty high and far exceeds demand.

For a modern set, I think the most over-hyped is 93 Finest. It included the 1st refractor....I get it. But it wasn't the 1st premium card. 91 Stadium Club was the game changer in terms of producing a really premium product and asking people to pay $5 a pack instead of $1. '93 Finest was just an extension of a movement that '91 Stadium Club created. If '91 Stadium Club had been produced in less quantity, I think it would be a highly sought after set even today.

Boopotts · May 23, 2013 1:44AM

All of the 'Chrome' sets. I'm still not sure why someone would pay twice as much for a plastic card as opposed to a paper one, all other things being equal.

MintMoondog · May 23, 2013 1:47AM

<< An alternate title for this thread is "what set do you hate that others like?" >>

I actually believe the entire premise of this thread is faulty. I would say high grade baseball cards in general are "under-rated" as a potential investment and "under-collected" by potential aficionados because of the disastrous over-printing in the late 80s to early 90s and the damage to the integrity of the game during the steroid era by frauds like Clemens and Bonds. I hate the IRS, I think Obama might be the single most over-rated entity in the history of physical science...but I love baseball cards in general - I just love some more than others.

JHS5120 · May 23, 2013 1:48AM

Most Overrated Sets:

1979 Topps - Not nearly as condition sensitive as many believe.
1975 Topps mini - Widely considered to be much scarcer than the regular issued set, yet the Conlon find has proven it to be rather accessible in high grade.
1986 Topps - A wierd set to consider "overrated", but the condition issues make it considered the toughest 80's issue to submit a 10 for.. while true, there are thousands of cases still untouched from this year.
1952 Topps Low # set - IMO, the mystique and the difficulty of the high #'d counterpart prevent collectors from realizing that this is not a very attractive set.
1962 Topps - Many believe the wooden borders make it a difficult set to complete with condition in mind, while there are a fair share of tough commons, the pop reports show very little differences in high grades compared to similar years.

Cakes · May 23, 2013 1:56AM

<< All of the 'Chrome' sets. I'm still not sure why someone would pay twice as much for a plastic card as opposed to a paper one, all other things being equal. >>

Agreed

WalterSobchak · May 23, 2013 2:04AM

<< I agree! The 1975 mini is a garbage set with no redeeming value. Please bid elsewhere. >>

I definitely don't think the set is garbage- just that it's overrated.
Musical equivalent would be the Beatles. By no means is their music bad, but come on already.

If we were to branch out to football, I think 1985 Topps is a no-brainer. Yes, the black border makes it very condition-sensitive- but let's not overlook the fact that the set design is ugly as hell.

itzagoner · May 23, 2013 2:08AM

if '75 Topps minis are The Beatles, then '89 Upper Deck is Wham!

mygotta · May 23, 2013 2:08AM

Personally, as a straight up set, I think 1984 Topps is one of the most overrated sets. No HOF rookies, its all centered on the love for Mattingly. Otherwise I find the set unexciting.

MintMoondog · May 23, 2013 2:09AM

<< Most Overrated Sets:

1975 Topps mini - Widely considered to be much scarcer than the regular issued set, yet the Conlon find has proven it to be rather accessible in high grade. >>

I would suggest you spend 5 minutes looking at the actual population counts between the Mini and the Reg issue, and actually between the mini and the other sets in the 1970s before you make ill-informed statements...even though most of the entire Conlon hoard has been rooted through and converted to plastic - the pops remain relatively "low" for condition sensitive color combinations and high grade "star" cards haven't moved much at all.

1975 REG MINI
PSA8 110K 42K
PSA9 41K 14K
PSA10 2.4k 1.3k

mccardguy1 · May 23, 2013 2:10AM

<< I like the 78 and 79 Topps issues. They make great shims when you slide them under the leg of a wobbly chair or table. >>

He said Shims........somehow appropriate.

I too think the '78 and '79 sets are vastly overrated. I always thought the '78 Topps set was one of the ugliest I have ever seen and I was an avid collector of Topps cards during those years.

WalterSobchak · May 23, 2013 2:12AM

<< if '75 Topps minis are The Beatles, then '89 Upper Deck is Wham! >>

Don't you DARE disparage Wham! in my presence, sir. Not on my watch.

itzagoner · May 23, 2013 2:13AM

ClockworkAngel · May 23, 2013 2:17AM

<< if '75 Topps minis are The Beatles, then '89 Upper Deck is Wham! >>

That's poetry. You should make that your new signature lol

grote15 · May 23, 2013 2:20AM

I feel so unsure...

ClockworkAngel · May 23, 2013 2:21AM

I am going with 2 sets:

1984 Donruss Baseball
1989 Score Fooballs

The 1984 Donruss was iconic for me growing up, and will always have a special place in my heart. But as I have dived back into the hobby, I am seeing they are simply not that rare and not that difficult to get in a grade of 10. I think the 1984 Fleer is more scarce than the 84D and maybe a bit harder to find in Gem Mint

The 89 Score football is another one that was perceived to be very rare in the 90's, but just isn't. It's so easy to find unopened and there are hundred of Sanders 10's out there. I don't know if demand will keep up with supply on both these sets and I can't see unopened at $250 holding....

MintMoondog · May 23, 2013 2:25AM

<< 

<< if '75 Topps minis are The Beatles, then '89 Upper Deck is Wham! >>

Don't you DARE disparage Wham! in my presence, sir. Not on my watch. >>

Walter, the minis cant be the Beatles because it has a very narrow but dedicated following: Therefore it is never going to be an over-rated set because it will never be popular or as popular as the more widely collected regular issue: Think Violent Femmes versus Nirvana...only a few will know the Femmes while even the uncool think they know Nirvana.

TNP777 · May 23, 2013 2:26AM

While I understand the intent of the thread and the opening post, I will respectfully disagree about the '78 set. Maybe I'm just biased 'cause it was the first set I collected as a yute, but I totally dig the design. The All-Star shields, the game on the back, the cursive team names, Johnny Oates with his pimp 'stache and flyaway hair.

I concur on the '79 set, though. Fugly. Pink and purple Dodger All-Star cards. Ugh.

Not a huge fan of the '75 set, either. I get that it's loaded with stars and whatnot, but I'm a slave to uniformity. All those top and bottom color combos hurts my eyes.

Dboneesq · May 23, 2013 2:27AM

<< Eric said:1952 Topps >>

Eric, my friend, that is a Blasphemous statement!

3BoyzTrading · May 23, 2013 2:30AM

<< yet the Conlon find has proven it to be rather accessible in high grade. >>

I agree, please refrain from grading pack fresh commons and sell them directly to me for $3 each.

ThoseBackPages · May 23, 2013 2:40AM

<< 

<< Eric said:1952 Topps >>

Eric, my friend, that is a Blasphemous statement! >>

LOL!!!

WalterSobchak · May 23, 2013 2:46AM

as I take your hand, and lead you to- the- dance- floor......

vladguerrero · May 23, 2013 2:50AM

For a modern set, I think the most over-hyped is 93 Finest. It included the 1st refractor....I get it. But it wasn't the 1st premium card. 91 Stadium Club was the game changer in terms of producing a really premium product and asking people to pay $5 a pack instead of $1. '93 Finest was just an extension of a movement that '91 Stadium Club created. If '91 Stadium Club had been produced in less quantity, I think it would be a highly sought after set even today. >>

I believe the 1993 Finest Set only has 1 Rookie Card. ...JT Snow or something at that.

stormtrooper80 · May 23, 2013 2:53AM

If the 78 Topps Set is George Michael, the 79 Topps set is Andrew Ridgely

JHS5120 · May 23, 2013 3:41AM

<< I would suggest you spend 5 minutes looking at the actual population counts between the Mini and the Reg issue, and actually between the mini and the other sets in the 1970s before you make ill-informed statements...even though most of the entire Conlon hoard has been rooted through and converted to plastic - the pops remain relatively "low" for condition sensitive color combinations and high grade "star" cards haven't moved much at all.

1975 REG MINI
PSA8 110K 42K
PSA9 41K 14K
PSA10 2.4k 1.3k >>

I have looked at the population reports and I must disagree. While I have yet to complete a 1975 Topps mini set on the registry, I have a regular issue set complete and I have been following both closely.

Here are the high grade populations as a percentage of the overall pop:

1975 REG MINI
PSA8 53.6% 52.3%
PSA8.5 1.5% 2%
PSA9 20% 18.1%
PSA10 1.2% 1.6%

They are virtually the same. Not only are they the same, but I would bet there is significantly more unopened mini product than regular product left. I'm sure the Conlon find hasn't been completely searched. What were there? 26 cases? It has only been 5 years, there are certainly a few left unopened and possibly more held by REA/Conlon. I have nothing against the set, I personally love it, but I think it is overrated.

lahmejoon · May 23, 2013 3:52AM

I don't think it's over or underrated, but my vote for least favorite set of the 70's would be the 76. To me, it's just a boring design.

grote15 · May 23, 2013 4:02AM

As the music dies, something in your eyes..

halfcentman · May 23, 2013 4:36AM

1984 Topps for content

1977 Topps because I hate the greenish color of the backs.

mccardguy1 · May 23, 2013 4:48AM

<< as I take your hand, and lead you to- the- dance- floor...... >>

Should've known better than to cheat a friend
And waste the chance that I've been given

stormtrooper80 · May 23, 2013 4:50AM

We'd hurt each other with the things we want to say

mygotta · May 23, 2013 4:57AM

Apparently lots of love for Wham, but on the fence for Topps 78 and 79 sets. Hmmm.

Maybe you should go here

Indy78 · May 23, 2013 5:39AM

1975 REG MINI PSA8 53.6% 52.3% PSA8.5 1.5% 2% PSA9 20% 18.1% PSA10 1.2% 1.6% They are virtually the same.

First, how do you define difficulty? Many would say that it's getting every card in a set in all 8 or better. Your percentages look at the 8 and up cards in the set on the whole but don't capture the difficulty of getting at least an 8 on a given individual card. What's also not considered by your percentages are those cards that are submitted that are not graded (and thus not included in the POP report) due to Min Size issues. With the Mini's, green/yellow and red/yellow combos (greater than 25 cards in the set) are notorious for being below min size standards - this adds to the difficulty of the set and this difficulty is not captured by your percentages.

Most Overrated BB Set Of All Time?????

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