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Wow! My old 1865 10c NGC MS63 CAC upgraded three points!

GoldenEyeNumismaticsGoldenEyeNumismatics Posts: 13,187 ✭✭✭
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I bought this coin off eBay in an old white-label NGC holder a few years ago (I paid $1600 iirc). I thought it was a lock gold CAC, but it only went green. I sold it through Heritage in Aug 2012, where I realized PQ money. I always thought it deserved to be in a 64 or 65 holder, but never expected to see it reappear as this!

When I sold it
What it is now...

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  • cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 7,960 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A point for color, maybe?
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  • MrHalfDimeMrHalfDime Posts: 3,440 ✭✭✭✭
    All grading is subjective. image
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  • coindeucecoindeuce Posts: 13,496 ✭✭✭✭✭
    DAmn!
    You offered that to me and I putzed out on you. imageimage

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  • ElmerFusterpuckElmerFusterpuck Posts: 4,793 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Shows that slabs and/or stickers really don't mean s**t at times, it's the coin that matters. That one does look very nice.

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  • crypto79crypto79 Posts: 8,623 ✭
    The consigner might be not be ecstatic about the coin being called out during a live auction but it is an interesting case study. Although it says more about the state of NGC standards old vs new than anything else.
  • TookybanditTookybandit Posts: 3,415 ✭✭✭✭
    WOW! That's a big jump!!!
  • NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 11,001 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thats crazy, a 3 point upgrade.image
  • CoinMan1012CoinMan1012 Posts: 379
    WOW! Now that is a nice uppy. A whole 3 points! Bet it will gold sticker now! LOL!
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  • CuKevinCuKevin Posts: 1,739 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>All grading is subjective. image >>



    I agree. Also goes to show that knowledge is better than only reading slabs.
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  • smokincoinsmokincoin Posts: 2,636 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Thats crazy, a 3 point upgrade.image >>


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  • mkman123mkman123 Posts: 6,849 ✭✭✭✭
    Green bean again or ?
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  • AnkurJAnkurJ Posts: 11,370 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Green bean again or ? >>



    Doubtful.
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  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Reality check.....it is ngc.image Looks 64 to me and is what PCGS would grade it.image
  • PCcoinsPCcoins Posts: 3,354 ✭✭✭
    Talk about subjective grading... I believe there needs to be more science involved, instead of experts "opinions"
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  • CoinRaritiesOnlineCoinRaritiesOnline Posts: 3,681 ✭✭✭✭
    I thought it was clearly a 4 when I owned it.
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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,731 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Obviously the right person finally submitted it.......
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  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,305 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The consigner might be not be ecstatic about the coin being called out during a live auction but it is an interesting case study. Although it says more about the state of NGC standards old vs new than anything else. >>



    Why is that coin not fair game for discussion? There are those who believe that EVERYTHING [i.e. whether it was submitted to CAC and not passed] should be disclosed about a coin up for sale/auction, while others opine that such info should only be divulged upon asking.
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  • crypto79crypto79 Posts: 8,623 ✭


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    << <i>The consignor might be not be ecstatic about the coin being called out during a live auction but it is an interesting case study. Although it says more about the state of NGC standards old vs new than anything else. >>



    Why is that coin not fair game for discussion? There are those who believe that EVERYTHING [i.e. whether it was submitted to CAC and not passed] should be disclosed about a coin up for sale/auction, while others opine that such info should only be divulged upon asking. >>



    I didn't say it was game to be discussed, I said the consignor most likely wishes that part of the coins past stay quite. In some circles it is slightly taboo to talk about active auctions.
  • bidaskbidask Posts: 14,028 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Obviously the right person finally submitted it....... >>

    What does that mean Captain?image
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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I thought it was a lock gold CAC >>



    i concur; when it was in the 63 holder. not a 66 but not a 63 either. that old holder with a gold sticker would have been a nice way to keep that one. the new ngc, even as a 66 is just meh. i'm sure it will bring buku buks tho.
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  • okiedudeokiedude Posts: 648 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Obviously the right person finally submitted it....... >>


    and the "right" grader graded it.
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  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,305 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>The consignor might be not be ecstatic about the coin being called out during a live auction but it is an interesting case study. Although it says more about the state of NGC standards old vs new than anything else. >>



    Why is that coin not fair game for discussion? There are those who believe that EVERYTHING [i.e. whether it was submitted to CAC and not passed] should be disclosed about a coin up for sale/auction, while others opine that such info should only be divulged upon asking. >>



    I didn't say it was game to be discussed, I said the consignor most likely wishes that part of the coins past stay quite. In some circles it is slightly taboo to talk about active auctions. >>




    I guess not everyone subscribes to full disclosure. As long as it isn't done maliciously, I see no reason for someone not to volunteer such information; esp. if they have no vested interest in the coin's sale. If I was a bidder, I'd appreciate knowing.
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  • MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭

    Will,

    You sold it right. The new owner won't recoup all of his money.
    I think as most have mentioned, it's a great 64 - and deserving
    of a Green Bean at that level. In 63, I could see a Gold CAC.

    I'll be very curious to see how it fares in the upcoming auction.
    I like the coin quite a bit, but would rather see it in our host's slab.

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  • mrearlygoldmrearlygold Posts: 17,858 ✭✭✭
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  • SeattleSlammerSeattleSlammer Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I know I was tempted by that one a few times! Loved it in the old slab!
  • daOnlyBGdaOnlyBG Posts: 1,060 ✭✭
    IMO that's a 64 with gold CAC or 65 with green CAC. I thought maybe a regular 64 would have been the grade.. but then I looked at it closely. If I'm not mistaken, those coins are really, really tough to find without any mark on them whatsoever. A 66 is a bit of a stretch, as there are numerous little ticks on the knees and the "1" on the obverse's date- so a 65 is a really solid, appropriate grade for such a coin. They should have given you a gold CAC the first time around.
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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,731 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>IMO that's a 64 with gold CAC or 65 with green CAC. I thought maybe a regular 64 would have been the grade.. but then I looked at it closely. If I'm not mistaken, those coins are really, really tough to find without any mark on them whatsoever. A 66 is a bit of a stretch, as there are numerous little ticks on the knees and the "1" on the obverse's date- so a 65 is a really solid, appropriate grade for such a coin. They should have given you a gold CAC the first time around. >>


    Or a 66 with a black bean????
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  • stealerstealer Posts: 4,035 ✭✭✭✭
    I think this was the coin you outbid me on by less than a Benjamin. Great coin image
  • VanHalenVanHalen Posts: 4,330 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Reality check.....it is ngc.image Looks 64 to me and is what PCGS would grade it.image >>



    That's what I thought, maybe PCGS 64+. Very nice coin but the reverse holds it below gem. 66 just seems too high looking at the reverse.
  • northcoinnorthcoin Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭✭✭
    CaptHenway:



    << <i>Obviously the right person finally submitted it....... >>



    Always suspected, but finally confirmed. If anyone has had the experience to know it would have to be the Captain. I'll bet there are tales to tell.

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