things that make you go HMMMMM......I wonder...???

flatfoot816 · May 10, 2013 2:07AM

Linky to HMMMMMM

Dboneesq · May 10, 2013 2:16AM

IIRC, Jose had one that looked just like that, no?

1all · May 10, 2013 2:19AM

I believe there was one of these on the top of the 67 cello box BBCE had in stock for 30 seconds last year as well. -Doug

gemint · May 10, 2013 2:22AM

I was thinking the same thing. Does anyone have a scan of Jose's pack? I guess the 'unopened with stars on top' thread got nuked.

cpamike · May 10, 2013 2:25AM

<< I believe there was one of these on the top of the 67 cello box BBCE had in stock for 30 seconds last year as well. -Doug >>

You mean this one Doug.

cpamike · May 10, 2013 2:29AM

<< I was thinking the same thing. Does anyone have a scan of Jose's pack? I guess the 'unopened with stars on top' thread got nuked. >>

I can check for the board when I get home, but I don't think it's one of his. And yes, the "Unopened with Stars on Top" thread got poofed.

grote15 · May 10, 2013 2:30AM

The cert number on that pack is different from his.

MBMiller25 · May 10, 2013 2:32AM

<< I can check for the board when I get home, but I don't think it's one of his. And yes, the "Unopened with Stars on Top" thread got poofed. >>

Hmmmmm....... Wonder why?

esquiresports · May 10, 2013 4:03AM

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<< I believe there was one of these on the top of the 67 cello box BBCE had in stock for 30 seconds last year as well. -Doug >>

You mean this one Doug.

That is a beautiful item. Were you lucky enough to pick it up?

cpamike · May 10, 2013 4:09AM

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<< I believe there was one of these on the top of the 67 cello box BBCE had in stock for 30 seconds last year as well. -Doug >>

You mean this one Doug.

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That is a beautiful item. Were you lucky enough to pick it up? >>

I wish Scott, but I did save the pictures of it that Reed had posted on BBCE's FB page IIRC.

MrSnuffleupagus · May 10, 2013 4:16AM

Is it live or is it Memorex?

The Jose Special:

Dboneesq · May 10, 2013 4:42AM

Looks like someone reholdered that pack!!

1. There is the blotch above the "S" in YANKEES at the bottom. (Note: Probably 1/2 of these cards have that blotch.)

2. There is a print dot in the right border by the top of his ear.

3. There is a print mark to the right of his ear in the blue area.

4. Note the slight diamond cut on the left and right edges. On the left side, the inside black border angles outward as you go from the top of the card to the bottom of the card.

While I think older unopened is great to collect, I would not touch any older packs with major stars on front.

Edited to add: Take a look at the Mantle in the legit box that Mike posted. Does not look like either of those print dots are on the card.

calgarycollector · May 10, 2013 5:54AM

It was only a matter of time fellows

Maurice · May 10, 2013 6:06AM

The pack in the Memory Lane auction isn't the "Jose Special" pack that MrSnuffleupagus posted. The centering on the Mantle card is different.

cpamike · May 10, 2013 6:10AM

<< The pack in the Memory Lane auction isn't the "Jose Special" pack that MrSnuffleupagus posted. The centering on the Mantle card is different. >>

I agree with you Maurice, but I don't think it is the pack from that BBCE box either.

1all · May 10, 2013 6:15AM

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<< The pack in the Memory Lane auction isn't the "Jose Special" pack that MrSnuffleupagus posted. The centering on the Mantle card is different. >>

I agree with you Maurice, but I don't think it is the pack from that BBCE box either. >>

Yea Mike, definitely not the BBCE pack - completely different centering.

MiniDuff · May 10, 2013 6:17AM

Need a pixel counter to verify, but I disagree, I don't think they are the same pack at all. The cards are centered differently, similar, but not exact.

ReggieCleveland · May 10, 2013 6:23AM

I'm amazed there are that many 67 cellos with Mantle on top that survived that we can compare them to one another.

grote15 · May 10, 2013 6:30AM

<< I'm amazed there are that many 67 cellos with Mantle on top that survived that we can compare them to one another. >>

Hypothetically, it wouldn't be too unusual to see same card on top of multiple 1967 cellos as cards were limited to a specific (in this case, 2nd) series.

GR · May 10, 2013 6:51AM

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I wonder.... (if this is Jim Thorpe the hall of famer...but it looks quite a lot more like the golfer Jim Thorpes signature...)

gemint · May 10, 2013 7:10AM

It's definitely not the same cello as the one in the full box as that one was way O/C to the top.

MrSnuffleupagus · May 10, 2013 7:29AM

<< I'm amazed there are that many 67 cellos with Mantle on top that survived that we can compare them to one another. >>

Here is another 67 cello that 'Survived' thanks to Jose! Good thing he had the foresight to save a bunch of sweet 1967 cello!

davelinkbelt · May 10, 2013 8:03AM

What is the back story with Jose and his packs? Did he have the Johnny Bench rookie cello pack?

Dboneesq · May 10, 2013 8:48AM

<< What is the back story with Jose and his packs? Did he have the Johnny Bench rookie cello pack? >>

He probably had them ALL!

MrSnuffleupagus · May 10, 2013 9:09AM

<< What is the back story with Jose and his packs? Did he have the Johnny Bench rookie cello pack? >>

He 'Saved' this beauty!

MBMiller25 · May 10, 2013 9:24AM

Does anyone know what the conclusion of the Jose saga was? Last I heard anything about this was over on Net 54 and he was talking openly about.

MattyC · May 10, 2013 9:26AM

The pack fabricator surfaced and just posted about the FBI investigation over on net54.

nam812 · May 10, 2013 9:31AM

The bottom border of Memory Lane's Mantle is a little thicker than Jose's. That's not to say that Jose couldn't have made that one too.

MrSnuffleupagus · May 10, 2013 9:38AM

<< The pack fabricator surfaced and just posted about the FBI investigation over on net54. >>

I saw you asked him a question over there? "What about all the packs you sold people?" Would you believe ANYTHING he had to say? I do not think he would incriminate himself at this point do you? But then again... people have done dumber things!

MattyC · May 10, 2013 9:43AM

That was more for those on net54 who interpreted his version as him not ever having sold packs, but rather as a crusader to expose Steve Hart's lack of expertise. The fact is he sold many star cellos on eBay. When some guys here asked him what else he had for sale, his reply was, "What do you want?" In hindsight we can see he meant he'd fabricate whatever you wanted and get it past Hart and into a slab.

MrSnuffleupagus · May 10, 2013 9:55AM

<< That was more for those on net54 who interpreted his version as him not ever having sold packs, but rather as a crusader to expose Steve Hart's lack of expertise. The fact is he sold many star cellos on eBay. When some guys here asked him what else he had for sale, his reply was, "What do you want?" In hindsight we can see he meant he'd fabricate whatever you wanted and get it past Hart and into a slab. >>

IMO, no one should believe a word Jose says. Now that the FBI investigation is apparently over, perhaps Steve Hart and/or PSA can tell us what the truth really is.

MattyC · May 10, 2013 9:58AM

Agreed. I put zero stock in his version, beyond the admission of fabricating packs.

MrSnuffleupagus · May 10, 2013 11:54AM

Things that make you go "Jose can you see"!

Hmmm?

Hmmmmmm?

Oh No!!!!

Et Tu, Munson?

chouser · May 10, 2013 11:58AM

By the looks of Everything, unopened pack collectors are the same as 'autograph' collectors, 10% good 90% bad.

thunderdan · May 10, 2013 1:36PM

You spin me right round baby right round like a record baby right round round round.

flatfoot816 · May 10, 2013 7:39PM

that Bench pack caught my attention. It is my all time favorite card and to find it on top of a pack was too good to be true. Almost pulled the trigger on it--was only $500 off. Did I say too good to be true?

MrNearMint · May 10, 2013 11:50PM

I don't collect unopened, how or why are these packs bad/fake?

things that make you go HMMMMM......I wonder...???

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