Ebay Silver Bullion Scammer

RotatedRainbows

This guy buys fake bars on Ebay turns around and sells them as real, he has bought them 3 times now

Fake Bars He Bought

His buying feedback

The company World Treasures Mint does not make real silver bars only fake ones that he is selling as real

His current auctions

We need to report these to get them closed down.

tincup

Thanks for the heads up... this is becoming way too common on ebay.

RotatedRainbows

I have been reporting them to Ebay for days and they do nothing, he just keeps buying and selling more.

Banemorth

I messaged the guy that already purchased and left positive feedback for one of those bars too.

AcesCracked

This is really going to kill the "small guy" at the flea market trying to make a few bucks and also the pawn shops. I can guarantee the bozos running the pawn shops around here in the KC area would not detect those fake ASE's that were on the BST last week. At 24 silver when they offer 12-15 on ASE's maybe they deserve to get stung a few times.
I tell all I know to find a good B&M, get to know the owner and be a steady customer and he will take care of you. Finding a good one is the challenge. I was around in the 80's when silver took off for a few hours and you should have seen the folks come in the shop with the 100 oz bars. If it was not a regular customer, we turned them away as we only had so much cash to buy and we (I worked for the guy part time) even called our regulars to let them know what was happening.
I hope these guys get thrown off EBAY as the bars state 1 OZ 999 silver right on them. The crooks keep getting better.

RotatedRainbows

<< <i>This is really going to kill the "small guy" at the flea market trying to make a few bucks and also the pawn shops. I can guarantee the bozos running the pawn shops around here in the KC area would not detect those fake ASE's that were on the BST last week. At 24 silver when they offer 12-15 on ASE's maybe they deserve to get stung a few times.
I tell all I know to find a good B&M, get to know the owner and be a steady customer and he will take care of you. Finding a good one is the challenge. I was around in the 80's when silver took off for a few hours and you should have seen the folks come in the shop with the 100 oz bars. If it was not a regular customer, we turned them away as we only had so much cash to buy and we (I worked for the guy part time) even called our regulars to let them know what was happening.
I hope these guys get thrown off EBAY as the bars state 1 OZ 999 silver right on them. The crooks keep getting better. >>



I think this is the big problem with ebay, they get some flunky to look at the auction and the bar says .999 fine so they automatically believe it so they let the auction go. Not one of them probably takes the 10 seconds necessary to put the name of the mint in a search engine to check out the mint and its products. Also since their report feature does not allow you to tell them what is actually wrong they just keep letting them go just because the bars say .999 silver on them.

The auction the guy bought them from clearly states they are fake but in the end it does not prevent scammers like this guy from turning around and reselling them as real, it should be illegal to make an item .999 fine when it clearly is junk clad.

OPA

reported....

Place more pressure on eBay by reporting this garbage, if it's listed in the silver bullion category, to: ebay.com/ccw

RotatedRainbows

<< <i>reported....

Place more pressure on eBay by reporting this garbage, if it's listed in the silver bullion category, to: ebay.com/ccw >>



Thanks, thats the link I was looking for so I could send them a link to the mints web site so they can see these are not real.

AcesCracked

The sad part is EBAY is out for the almighty $$$$$$. They will just sit back and state that the fine print somewhere says buyer beware.

The Chinese selling the fake ASE's, now that should be an FBI investigation as that to me would be selling counterfeit's. Like printing fake 100 dollar bills.

OPA

<< <i>The sad part is EBAY is out for the almighty $$$$$$. They will just sit back and state that the fine print somewhere says buyer beware. >>



Not so....if non silver items are listed in the "silver bullion category," Judith, it may take several days, will Nuke the auction & warn the seller(s). If they are repeat offenders, their selling privileges will be suspended. But the item(s) must be reported. BTW, if the non silver or clad bars are listed in the correct category....bullion-other, clad-plated or Exonumia categories...nothing will happen because per eBay, those are ok categories to list this garbage in.

AUandAG

reported

PerryHall

<< <i>.........would not detect those fake ASE's that were on the BST last week. >>



I must have missed that. Can you give us details? Who was selling them? How did you know they were fake?

AcesCracked

Can't remember what day it was but it was within the last week. Someone actually posted the pics of the fakes vs the real ones. The pictures showed some real differences on the draped flag on the front. I will do some digging and try to get you the post.

AcesCracked

CBC Hamilton: "Fake U.S Silver Eagle coins soaring through Hamilton"
April 25th thread........

mrpaseo

I reported a bunch of the listings, I also asked him a few questions. I suppose I should add these guys to my block list but I am not planning on selling on the bay any time soon.

Best,
Ray

derryb

If you look closely at reverse of seller's bars you will see that they are marked clad. The violation to report to ebay is "Clad bars (see marking on reverse of bars) are not correctly listed in plated category and seller is not disclosing to buyers that they are plated. Violates ebay listing policy."

Contacting an obvious fraudster directly can only bring his attention to you after ebay deals with him, even if he has to open a new account to seek revenge.

epcjimi1

Srsly. In Clad We Trust? Wow.

World Treasures Mint sells these for $7.00 per.

WTM

mrpaseo

<< <i>Contacting an obvious fraudster directly can only bring his attention to you after ebay deals with him, even if he has to open a new account to seek revenge. >>



Very good point, I realized this after I sent two messages on two different listings... Oh well, looks like my eBay days are over... wait... I haven't bought or sold on the bay since... Feb-26-09 18:21

No worries

AUandAG

Just saw that "in clad we trust", didn't catch that at first!

bob

derryb

Had to buy one with an old ebay account to leave feedback. Check his feedback now. Hopefully his earlier buyers will see it.

Can't wait to see his message requesting payment.

JamesMurray

That's the seller got a neg today , that'll help shut him down.

JamesMurray

<< <i>Had to buy one with an old ebay account to leave feedback. Check his feedback now. Hopefully his earlier buyers will see it.

Can't wait to see his message requesting payment. >>



Nice one Derryb

derryb

great detective work OP, keep it up. It will be interesting to watch his auctions for these to see how many bids get cancelled.

OPA

<< <i>Had to buy one with an old ebay account to leave feedback. Check his feedback now. Hopefully his earlier buyers will see it.

Can't wait to see his message requesting payment. >>



Unfortunately, eBay will remove the neg., if it is issued within 24hrs of the auction close.

derryb

<< <i>

<< <i>Had to buy one with an old ebay account to leave feedback. Check his feedback now. Hopefully his earlier buyers will see it.

Can't wait to see his message requesting payment. >>



Unfortunately, eBay will remove the neg., if it is issued within 24hrs of the auction close. >>


looks like one of you other guys gave him postive feedback with negative wording. Hopefully my neg will hang in there a while or that at least ebay will read it.

RotatedRainbows

Looks like a lot of people are buying, sold five groups of 5.

http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidsLogin&_trksid=p2047675.l2564&rt=nc&item=130901295156


Lots of people buying.

http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidsLogin&_trksid=p2047675.l2564&rt=nc&item=130900624126

mariner67

Reported.

OPA

Unfortunately...all experienced ccw folks don't work on weekends.

Banemorth

And he STILL hasn't been banned.

derryb

all of his listings for the clad bars have been removed including the one I purchased and did not pay for.

Hopefully all of his buyers received the ebay message I received:
"This listing was removed by eBay. If you already paid for the item, we recommend that you wait 10 days from the expected delivery date to see if the item arrives. If you did not pay,you are no longer obligated to pay for this item."

AUandAG

Glad he was exposed. I sent him a polite note and never got a response.

bob

JamesMurray

<< <i>all of his listings for the clad bars have been removed including the one I purchased and did not pay for.

Hopefully all of his buyers received the ebay message I received:
"This listing was removed by eBay. If you already paid for the item, we recommend that you wait 10 days from the expected delivery date to see if the item arrives. If you did not pay,you are no longer obligated to pay for this item." >>




Good job Derryb , looks like he'll play the odd's with a poorly described gold bar now but with that feedback i'd estimate he's finished on that particular account.

AcesCracked

Also need to give credit to RotatedRainbows for having us all report the issue to EBAY. Another fraudulent seller hopefully will change his ways.............

LochNESS

<< <i>I have been reporting them to Ebay for days and they do nothing, he just keeps buying and selling more. >>


I have reported many scammers and law-breakers on eBay and they continue to do nothing. Sad but true. One has sold over 250 items. I know, because at the top near the BIN price it says "X remaining, 25X sold."

eBay really sucks. I have been plotting ways to get off eBay for the past two weeks. I have still not figured out a solution.

Cakes

<< <i>all of his listings for the clad bars have been removed including the one I purchased and did not pay for.

Hopefully all of his buyers received the ebay message I received:
"This listing was removed by eBay. If you already paid for the item, we recommend that you wait 10 days from the expected delivery date to see if the item arrives. If you did not pay,you are no longer obligated to pay for this item." >>



Nice, my buddies g friend got caught buying clad thinking it was pure silver for his bday last year, not the greatest moment when he opened his gift. The sad part was he had advised her to contact me before buying anything on her own.

JamesMurray

This seller has packed up all his auctions , probably started a new account.