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Argh! Results in on a coin I sent in.

baseballjeffbaseballjeff Posts: 1,085 ✭✭✭
Hey everyone,

Bought a $10 gold piece raw, sent it in, and the results were posted today. What does this "altered surface" mean?

1 1 27534713 8755 1904 $10 USA Genuine - UNC Details (94 - Altered Surf.)

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  • daOnlyBGdaOnlyBG Posts: 1,060 ✭✭
    Most likely, the coin was subjected to cleaning, polishing, tooling, work, or any other sort of manipulation to distort a previous condition.
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  • renomedphysrenomedphys Posts: 3,827 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Perhaps lasering?
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  • Sorry to hear that. Via the PCGS website it could be a number of things that caused the no grade. Putty is the most likely culprit on gold.

    Altered Surface
    This No Grade covers anything added to the surface of the coin to either "improve" its appearance or to cover marks. Surface alteration methods include adding: dental wax, putty, lacquer, nose grease, etc. "Thumbing" is the application of a putty-like material to fill in marks, scratches, and other defects or to haze over portions of the coin. Coatings (such as lacquer), while intended to protect coins, result in a No Grade because it is impossible to determine the quality of the underlying surfaces.
  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,940 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A couple of long soaks in pure acetone will (should) get rid of thumbing, puttying, etc.


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  • JcarneyJcarney Posts: 3,154


    << <i>Just ask Col Jessup, he says that shouldn't be happen in this day and age because we all should be graders. We don't need these coins to come in plastic or be stickered, raw should be easily discerned by us as to gradeable or not gradeble.image >>



    If it's a bullion/melt value coin, this is an excellent example of why it should NOT be sent in for grading. If it has collectible value and the buyer doesn't have the knowledge/experience to detect problems, it should be bought already slabbed.
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  • telephoto1telephoto1 Posts: 4,962 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>Just ask Col Jessup, he says that shouldn't be happen in this day and age because we all should be graders. We don't need these coins to come in plastic or be stickered, raw should be easily discerned by us as to gradeable or not gradeble.image >>



    If it's a bullion/melt value coin, this is an excellent example of why it should NOT be sent in for grading. If it has collectible value and the buyer doesn't have the knowledge/experience to detect problems, it should be bought already slabbed. >>




    This, x 50.
    But I would add that someone without the knowledge/experience to detect problems should learn to do so before investing significant money, even if buying TPG pieces. TPGs can get it wrong occasionally as well.

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  • AMRCAMRC Posts: 4,280 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It is a catch phrase for "something has been done to the surfaces of the coin" that PCGS does not like. If it is cleaning they generally call that out, but it could mean that it could have putty, been thumbed, oiled or a whole host of things that are put on the surface of coins in an attempt to make them look better.

    I have had luck lightly dipping such coins, or rinsing them in acetone, and then successfully getting s grade.

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  • stevebensteveben Posts: 4,638 ✭✭✭✭✭
    that's a bummer.

    given the date...here's what i would do:

    1. soak it in pure acetone
    2. rinse it with distilled water
    3. rest it on a paper towel once on both sides
    4. let it air dry

    once it's dry, place it in a 2x2 holder. there's no need to send it in for grading now because we know it's genuine and chances are it's not a 64 or higher, so it's just not worth it to grade it. you can enjoy the coin in a 2x2 just fine. but, be careful...liberty 10's can be addictive and a strain on your bank account!
  • stevebensteveben Posts: 4,638 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>that's a bummer.

    given the date...here's what i would do:

    1. soak it in pure acetone
    2. rinse it with distilled water
    3. rest it on a paper towel once on both sides
    4. let it air dry

    once it's dry, place it in a 2x2 holder. there's no need to send it in for grading now because we know it's genuine and chances are it's not a 64 or higher, so it's just not worth it to grade it. you can enjoy the coin in a 2x2 just fine. but, be careful...liberty 10's can be addictive and a strain on your bank account! >>



    oh yeah, i forgot step 0...crack it out before you put in in the acetone. it will save some time image
  • ElcontadorElcontador Posts: 7,689 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It is the numismatic equivalent of to je govno.
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  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>Just ask Col Jessup, he says that shouldn't be happen in this day and age because we all should be graders. We don't need these coins to come in plastic or be stickered, raw should be easily discerned by us as to gradeable or not gradeble.image >>



    If it's a bullion/melt value coin, this is an excellent example of why it should NOT be sent in for grading. If it has collectible value and the buyer doesn't have the knowledge/experience to detect problems, it should be bought already slabbed. >>




    This, x 50.
    But I would add that someone without the knowledge/experience to detect problems should learn to do so before investing significant money, even if buying TPG pieces. TPGs can get it wrong occasionally as well. >>



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  • telephoto1telephoto1 Posts: 4,962 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>Just ask Col Jessup, he says that shouldn't be happen in this day and age because we all should be graders. We don't need these coins to come in plastic or be stickered, raw should be easily discerned by us as to gradeable or not gradeble.image >>



    If it's a bullion/melt value coin, this is an excellent example of why it should NOT be sent in for grading. If it has collectible value and the buyer doesn't have the knowledge/experience to detect problems, it should be bought already slabbed. >>




    This, x 50.
    But I would add that someone without the knowledge/experience to detect problems should learn to do so before investing significant money, even if buying TPG pieces. TPGs can get it wrong occasionally as well. >>



    There are situations where I find that someone's contempt is worth more to me than other peoples' praiseimage >>



    I'll have what CJ's having. image

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  • s4nys4ny Posts: 1,573 ✭✭✭


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    << <i>Just ask Col Jessup, he says that shouldn't be happen in this day and age because we all should be graders. We don't need these coins to come in plastic or be stickered, raw should be easily discerned by us as to gradeable or not gradeble.image >>



    If it's a bullion/melt value coin, this is an excellent example of why it should NOT be sent in for grading. If it has collectible value and the buyer doesn't have the knowledge/experience to detect problems, it should be bought already slabbed. >>




    This, x 50.
    But I would add that someone without the knowledge/experience to detect problems should learn to do so before investing significant money, even if buying TPG pieces. TPGs can get it wrong occasionally as well. >>



    There are situations where I find that someone's contempt is worth more to me than other peoples' praiseimage >>



    Contempt is certainly more sincere!
  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    There are situations where I find that someone's contempt is worth more to me than other peoples' praiseimage >>





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  • lcoopielcoopie Posts: 8,873 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Buying a raw high priced coin is not for me and I have no problem letting everyone know that.
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  • baseballjeffbaseballjeff Posts: 1,085 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Buying a raw high priced coin is not for me and I have no problem letting everyone know that. >>



    I agree with you there! Honestly, I bought this coin at spot when the price of gold dipped to about 1,400k an ounce, so I really couldn't have gone wrong picking this one up. And honestly, I've been lucky doing this with two other gold coins in my collection, a $2.50 lib. and a $5 liberty that graded an MS 61, and an MS 62.

    So, I think overall I've been lucky! image

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