How is this any better than selling gum/wrappers/box?

MintMoondog

4SC

Seriously?

EDIT: I have contacted them and said I am not bidding on another of their auctions until they apologize and end that auction...like they don't make enough money already.

ChiefsFan1st

<< <i>4SC

Seriously?

EDIT: I have contacted them and said I am not bidding on another auction until they apologize and end that auction...like they don't make enough money already. >>



I seen that a few days ago. Its a sad day when people will sell their name and integrity
for a few bucks

MrNearMint

Maybe I'm naive but don't some people collect boxes and wrappers, more so boxes than wrappers? I dont fully understand the problem with selling old wax pack boxes.
Is it because people think that whoever buys items like this will just re-package these cards and sell them as un-opened?

Mapleleaf

Ummm... what am I missing? I'm not familiar with Baseball. Are those packs of cards resealed?

MintMoondog

<< <i>Ummm... what am I missing? I'm not familiar with Baseball. Are those packs of cards resealed? >>



I understand the box...but what is the purpose of the headers for rack packs other than a necessary ingredient for fraud...but I guess in the long run - counterfeiters can just print new headers anyways.

ChiefsFan1st

For me, its not so much the item being sold as the intended audience the seller is targeting.
There is no doubt in my mind who the seller is looking for to buy this lot. That kinda money
for a display box WITH HEADERS, lets get real. Maybe the buyer will just display it, cool. But
the intent of the seller is what stands out here.

I know, folks are gonna say, "you dont know what the seller is thinking" and that is true, but
what I see in my screen is not a good thing and most would agree.

70ToppsFanatic

I have made 4SC and NESC my vendor of last resort based on their poor quality control (sending the wrong cards) and poor customer service (not being able to get them to call me back and stay on top of finding missing items and being given multiple "fairy tales" that were never the same when I was able to get someone to answer my calls). Eventually I did get full refund, but it took 2 months and was a major hassle.

They have lots of nice items, but it isn't worth it to me to have to deal with people who behave like they do. Perhaps if more collectors had the courage to vote with their wallets they might clean up their act.

CubsKiller99

Where is this hobby heading. One of PSA's best customers too.

CubsKiller99

Let me answer my own question.

For 4SC it's a business. And that drives all their decisions.

bigdcards

<< <i>Let me answer my own question.

For 4SC it's a business. And that drives all their decisions. >>



Lots of people in business, with profit in mind, choose not to sell kits to scam people. I'm sure I could do a little better with some shady choices like this one. Not worth it. Regardless, they are on my banned list moving forward. I doubt I'm alone.

perkdog

<< <i>Let me answer my own question.

For 4SC it's a business. And that drives all their decisions. >>




Dont kid yourself, greed fuels this hobby more than anything else.

tsalems1

Any chance we see BBG post on this subject?

CubsKiller99

I dont' think greed fuels the hobby, but it appears to be getting the upper
hand for some that make their living from "the hobby".

I wonder how PSA feels about one of their biggest customers growing shadier by the day.

chouser

<< <i>

<< <i>Let me answer my own question.

For 4SC it's a business. And that drives all their decisions. >>




Dont kid yourself, greed fuels this hobby more than anything else. >>




funny, kinda like yer girls there, a business, 4SC/perkies, whats the difference. Both sucker people in.

perkdog

<< <i>

<< <i>

<< <i>Let me answer my own question.

For 4SC it's a business. And that drives all their decisions. >>




Dont kid yourself, greed fuels this hobby more than anything else. >>




funny, kinda like yer girls there, a business, 4SC/perkies, whats the difference. Both sucker people in. >>

perkdog

<< <i>I dont' think greed fuels the hobby, but it appears to be getting the upper
hand for some that make their living from "the hobby".. >>



I will agree with you there

TNP777

sucker... heh

tbonewilly

Only if we mention 1978 Topps....oops..Anybody need some minty 1988 Topps wrappers!!!I might be coerced into unloading some 1987 wrappers too!

swartz1

cleaning up the hobby, one CU member at a time...

3BoyzTrading

Does PSA have any say in what 4SC sells?

Jakt

<< <i>Does PSA have any say in what 4SC sells? >>



I don't see how that would even be possible.

CubsKiller99

I'd guess none.

But we have a say in what 4SC sells on eBAY and I'm done with them.
4SC is what it is and they aren't going to change, so we must.

Still it's instructive to know who you're partnering with, and as 4SC is eBAY's largest-volume seller
of PSA-graded cards, does not bode well for the future.

MintMoondog

As of today, no reply...and no bids from me. BTW is it even possible to use those headers for fraudulent racks? I know how easy it seems to be to reseal wax.
EDIT: I just checked the link and the auction was ended! I will wait for an explanation from them to ensure that it wasn't just sold to a potential counterfeiter