Tamper proof Sealing of Saflips? Update with images of what I got.

LindeDad

I have some coins I am thinking about selling raw but with the eBay forced return policy I want to make sure if there is a return it's the same coin.
I have seen heat sealed flips before but can not find a embosser to do this anywhere.
Anyone know where I can find one?

LouisCamp

HEAT SEALERS

LindeDad

Close but looking for something smaller and needless to say cheaper would be nice.

ianrussell

Good heat sealers cost a lot of money. Cheap ones are usually weak and don't seal as well (and take longer to do the actual sealing).

Either way, they generate a lot of heat and expect burns. Be careful.

- Ian

LindeDad

The lot of heat part is why I was hoping to find something smaller I do not want to have it in any way affect the coins in a saflip.

Kove

I bought my rugged heat sealer here.

I've been looking for a way to do letter embossing like the old David Hall flips, but have never found something.

LindeDad

Using the keywords you guys gave me I found a smaller one and ordered one. Will show results in a week to ten days when it gets here.
Thanks for the help adding the "impulse" to the search did the trick.

Edit to show where I ended up going....Text not endoring them but it looks like something a small time outfit like I am can make work on the cheaper side of the street.

coindeuce

ULine.com

SUMORADA

Been using one for 3-4 years, cost about $60..............works great!

ricko

Too much heat could produce gases within the 'container' and promote unwanted tarnish. Cheers, RickO

jmski52

Those impulse sealers work on Saflips? I've had an impulse sealer for years, and it works great on 4 mil polyethylene, but I had never used it on a Saflip.

lkeigwin

Can't you just staple the flips? And say refunds are okay but only if the coin has not been removed from the flip? Should be easy to tell.
Lance.

coinman420

<< <i>Those impulse sealers work on Saflips? I've had an impulse sealer for years, and it works great on 4 mil polyethylene, but I had never used it on a Saflip. >>




yes they work great. i bought mine from brent kruger before they closed, been using it for years. same one linked by member LouisCamp. the 6 or 8 inch model. you use a higher heat setting on saflips than on polybags.

MsMorrisine

it's easy to re-staple throgh the same holes

BustHalfBrian

Just use an odd-colored staples that would be difficult for buyer to find

Or paint them yourself!

LindeDad

<< <i>Just use an odd-colored staples that would be difficult for buyer to find

Or paint them yourself! >>



Well if I could find them I would think someone else could.

lkeigwin

<< <i>it's easy to re-staple throgh the same holes >>


With a little imagination you can take care of this small possibility.

E.g., place a personalized return address label over the staple. One that won't peel away without damaging the label or the flip. Or use the same label to seal the flip.

How about an unusual stapler? You can buy an inexpensive one that uses .25" staples instead of the standard .5", then staple the flip several times.
Lance.

LindeDad

I tried the label idea and found there are ways around it.
In fact your post reminds me I need to take those listings down.

stealer

<< <i>Too much heat could produce gases within the 'container' and promote unwanted tarnish. Cheers, RickO >>


That has always been my concern about this way of sealing these flips. Not only that, if it's poorly sealed then the coin could pop out en transit and then the seller could be left with a coin that he doesn't like in hand and have no recourse with the seller.

mrpaseo

Cheap but I don't know if it works.

PerryHall

How would it be possible for the buyer to get away with switching coins when you have high resolution pics of your coins?

mrpaseo

<< <i>How would it be possible for the buyer to get away with switching coins when you have high resolution pics of your coins? >>



Once they have the coin, you have to prove that the coin in your picture is the one sent... Not sure how that's done even if it's sealed. When he/she returns the coin it's your word against theirs.


Ray

LindeDad

<< <i>How would it be possible for the buyer to get away with switching coins when you have high resolution pics of your coins? >>



Do you really think that will work?

Wabbit2313

It really doesn't matter that you put it in a sealed holder. A buyer can basically return anything for any reason these days, and we all know it.

magikbilly

Yes. strong tape over the staple, but a piece of double sided tape insides the sleeve before the staple goes in ought to help end this trouble (and jeep the coin away from the staple.). My. 02 cents

Eric

BustHalfBrian

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<< <i>Just use an odd-colored staples that would be difficult for buyer to find

Or paint them yourself! >>



Well if I could find them I would think someone else could. >>



Darn, thought I was onto something...

I like the personalized-sticker idea. Perhaps some of those stickers that "self-destruct" when they're tampered with.

Type2

They sell tape that you cant open with out it saying Void after you do so that may work.

MacCrimmon

You'd have to ask for a quote on the cost of these "void" labels, but ...................


The "innocent", viewable text could say, "LINDEDAD COINS", and the "hidden" tamper-evident text could say,


"HEY EBAY - I TRIED TO SWITCH - THIS COIN"
" SALE TERMS VIOLATED"

PerryHall

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<< <i>How would it be possible for the buyer to get away with switching coins when you have high resolution pics of your coins? >>



Do you really think that will work? >>



Why wouldn't it work? Before slabs, ANACS issued photo certificates with high resolution pics to prevent switching coins.

Wabbit2313

Has anyone ever had a high value coin switched out? Buyer could also claim you opened it after they sent it back and switched it yourself. If someone wants to be dishonest, they will get away with it for a short time, but eBay will cover you.

LindeDad

<< <i>Has anyone ever had a high value coin switched out? Buyer could also claim you opened it after they sent it back and switched it yourself. If someone wants to be dishonest, they will get away with it for a short time, but eBay will cover you. >>



If what I was worried about were of higher value I would be sending them in to PCGS for grading before selling them. What I am worried about are some low MS to AU common Morgan's and Washingtons that I find the cost of grading to be too high on for the owner to even make back his original cost from the 1990's on.

epcjimi1

Probably a bit more expensive, an airtite with a couple of small hologram stickers over the joint like the Canadian mint did with their recent gold bank hoard coins to avoid tampering. Even then though, the buyer could claim that he received the coin with the tamper evident seals already broken.

LindeDad

The unit arrived this afternoon and made a first test run with it.

What I got.
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As for the concerns about heat I held the flip with my fingers between the sealer and the coin and felt no heat build up in the flip and sealing only took about a second or two.

Wabbit2313

It's not going to matter if the buyer says it was not as described. eBay is going to take there side, and you will have a bad mark because you didn't work out the problem. Then the buyer will feedback you another lump just because.

You have to take everything back these days, if you sell often.

LindeDad

I have no problem making a return. I just don't want them sending me back a FAKE.