Which baseball rookie card has the best combination of players ?

Exodus

I'm thinking of the rookie cards that have more then one player.

Is it Ryan/Koosman ?
Is it Scmidt/Cey ?
Is it some of the 75's with the 4 players on it ?

I don't know baseball rookies that well, so I'd welcome your thoughts.

prthd

CocoaBeachDodgers

Got to throw in Molitor/ Trammell.

saucywombat

Has to be Molitor/Trammell

Molitor is in the HOF, Trammell was an MVP, both won World Series

Mickey Klutts and U.L. Washington also had at least a few seasons in the big leagues.


Schmidt/Cey two for the HOF, though I'm not sure why Ron Cey is a HOF, Alan Trammell just as easily could be in that regard.

mikeschmidt

Pretty sure that Ichiro / Pujols has to be one of the best ones!

VitoCo1972

If basketball qualified, you'd have to say the Bird/Magic is the ultimate. But for baseball, it probably has to be Ryan/Koosman, right? Koosman won over 200 games. One to be mentioned but not at the top of the list is the Carlton Fisk card which is also Cecil Cooper's rookie. Cooper played in 5 all star games (before the rosters got ridiculous).

ClockworkAngel

Molitor/Trammel For sure. Two hall of famers on one rookie card. Oh, wait, Trammel's not in? How very stupid...
20 years ago I would have said the Kal Daniels/Paul O'Neill 1986 Fleer

rtimmer

Molitor and Trammel for sure if your going with baseball only.

shagrotn77

Ryan/Koosman followed by Molitor/Trammell. Cey's rookie is '72 Topps, so Schmidt's '73 card doesn't qualify. Though not HOF'ers, I think the Baylor/Baker/Paciorek rookie card is pretty darn cool.

stormtrooper80

orioles93

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+1

Albertdidit

<< <i>I'm not sure why Ron Cey is a HOF >>



Ron Cey is a hall of famer?

orioles93

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<< <i>I'm not sure why Ron Cey is a HOF >>



Ron Cey is a hall of famer? >>



No hes not......

fkw

even though its not Mize rookie, the 1941 R330 DoublePlay Mize/Slaughter card has a couple good Cardinal players

MattyC

I'd have to with the towering assortment of talent on the 1986 Sportflics Big Six Rookies... If memory serves me correctly, it had:

Canseco
Greenwell
Tartabull
Funderburk
Robideaux
Lombardozzi

That's like 6000 homers right there. And that Robideaux guy is a lock HOFer.

vladguerrero

I don't think anything really touches the Ichiro/Pujols so far. I can't remember the last time thinking that I needed a Koosman RC.

MattyC

Is that card considered their true RC is the sense of the others' discussed? I'm not familiar with that card. If so it must cost a bundle. Two great players.

bishop

Marc---I might take an option on your suggestion

Hallco

71 Topps Baker,Paciorek,Baylor. And given the black border is condition sensitive and it's a high #....can't go wrong!

miwlvrn

<< <i>Has to be Molitor/Trammell

Molitor is in the HOF, Trammell was an MVP, both won World Series

Mickey Klutts and U.L. Washington also had at least a few seasons in the big leagues.


Schmidt/Cey two for the HOF, though I'm not sure why Ron Cey is a HOF, Alan Trammell just as easily could be in that regard. >>



Note, Trammell was MVP of the 1984 World Series. He never won the AL MVP award, though I still believe he was the actual most valuable player in 1987 for the regular season. Lived in Michigan all my life so obviously biased, but I still feel he was hosed in '87 and that he deserved it over George Bell, despite the fact that the Blue Jays went further in the playoffs that year. I went to tons of Tigers games throughout the '80's and at least back then it sure seemed that the 1987 team was playing better overall baseball than the 1984 team even though they didn't end up as successful.

bbuckner22

Let's ask the question again in 20 years.

itzagoner

<< <i>Let's ask the question again in 20 years: How is it possible that we've seen peace in the Middle East, a cure for cancer, and yet these guys still can't win a World Series? >>

mygotta

The Ichiro/Pujuols is nice. But I always thought the 78 Catchers with Murphy/Diaz/Parrish/Whitt was a really great rookie card, even though it was Murphy's second year card. Never understood why he was featured twice as a rookie. All players had respectable careers, even if none made it to...THE HALL (add echo for emphasis).

Baez578

I think the agrument could be made on the Ichiro/Pujols card assuming that's recognized as a rookie card (don't know enough about the card) and there's no future PED issues with Pujols. But IMO, as of today, nothing touches the Koosman/Ryan card.

All these other cards mentioned are nice but no player (of the ones mentioned in this thread) has had a bigger impact on the game than Ryan. Teamed up with Koosman (who was an above average pitcher with a solid career) and this card is top on the list. Again... IMO

bishop

Can't currently argue with Baez myself, but will keep my option on Marc's pick

digicat

The Pujols/Ichiro card is an "Award Winners" type card, not a rookie card. Both of those guys appear on their own cards in the 2001 Topps set.

vladguerrero

While Pujols/Ichiro would be hands down the best pair of RCs (look at the stats guys), it is fact not a RC or RC parallel. They have their own individual cards in the Traded set which are considered their RCs

saucywombat

<< <i>The Ichiro/Pujuols is nice. But I always thought the 78 Catchers with Murphy/Diaz/Parrish/Whitt was a really great rookie card, even though it was Murphy's second year card. Never understood why he was featured twice as a rookie. All players had respectable careers, even if none made it to...THE HALL (add echo for emphasis).

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Dale Murphy boderline HOF - All-Time Brave

Lance Parrish - Long Career and statistcally significant offensive numbers for a true catcher

Ernie Whitt - remember him as being dreadful finishing his career with the Braves in say 1990. He platooned with almost as bad Mike Heath until Greg Olson came along. Ernie
Whitt was the manager for Canada in WBC this year.

Bo Diaz - no such luck for Bo, as he was decapitated while installing a satellite dish on his home in Venezuela. He played 10+ years as well.



<< <i>Never understood why he was featured twice as a rookie. >>



Guess he was the Gregg Jefferies of his day. Jefferies was a "rookie" on cards in 88, 89 & 90.

mygotta

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Dale Murphy boderline HOF - All-Time Brave

Lance Parrish - Long Career and statistcally significant offensive numbers for a true catcher

Ernie Whitt - remember him as being dreadful finishing his career with the Braves in say 1990. He platooned with almost as bad Mike Heath until Greg Olson came along. Ernie
Whitt was the manager for Canada in WBC this year.

Bo Diaz - no such luck for Bo, as he was decapitated while installing a satellite dish on his home in Venezuela. He played 10+ years as well.



<< <i>Never understood why he was featured twice as a rookie. >>



Guess he was the Gregg Jefferies of his day. Jefferies was a "rookie" on cards in 88, 89 & 90. >>



Just as Bryce Harper has been a rookie in 2011, 2012 and 2013. Jeffries was in a different era of card collecting and Topps emphasized his potential and popularity among collectors to create continual interest and/or value. But I am not sure Murphy had the same prospectus that Jeffries or Harper has/had.

Bo Diaz was inducted into the Venezuelan Hall of Fame in 2006 and was a 2x All-Star.
Lance Parrish an 8x All-Star, 3x Gold Glover and 6x Silver Slugger.
Ernie Whitt, probably the least valuable of this grouping, was inducted into the Canadian Hall of Fame.
Dale Murphy, 2x MVP, 7x All-Star, 5x Gold Glove, 4x Silver Slugger, Roberto Clemente Award, 1985 Lou Gehrig Award.

So that's this card....

mlbfan2

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<< <i>Never understood why he was featured twice as a rookie. >>



Guess he was the Gregg Jefferies of his day. Jefferies was a "rookie" on cards in 88, 89 & 90. >>



No one will ever match Bill Davis! He was on five straight Topps "rookie stars" cards, starting in 1965.

gemint

I'd have to go with the three Reynolds 'brothers' on the 1971 rookie pitchers card.

saucywombat

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<< <i>Never understood why he was featured twice as a rookie. >>



Guess he was the Gregg Jefferies of his day. Jefferies was a "rookie" on cards in 88, 89 & 90. >>



No one will ever match Bill Davis! He was on five straight Topps "rookie stars" cards, starting in 1965. >>



Seriously?! Bill Davis must have had Peter Pan Syndrome

Tabe

<< <i>Note, Trammell was MVP of the 1984 World Series. He never won the AL MVP award, though I still believe he was the actual most valuable player in 1987 for the regular season. Lived in Michigan all my life so obviously biased, but I still feel he was hosed in '87 and that he deserved it over George Bell, despite the fact that the Blue Jays went further in the playoffs that year. I went to tons of Tigers games throughout the '80's and at least back then it sure seemed that the 1987 team was playing better overall baseball than the 1984 team even though they didn't end up as successful. >>


You're a lifelong Tigers fan and you don't remember that Toronto didn't make the playoffs at all in 1987, let alone go further than the Tigers? C'mon, man! Who can forget game 162 against Toronto at Tiger Stadium with Frank Tanana pitching the game of his life, a 6-hit, 1-0 shutout, the only run scored on Larry Herndon's solo HR, knocking the Blue Jays out of the playoffs? The two teams played 7 games in the season's last 11, with Detroit losing the first 3, falling as far as 3.5 games back, before rallying to win 4 straight 1-run games over Toronto sandwiched around a series with the Orioles. It was an incredible finish - just two divisions, no wildcard, none of that nonsense, so you had probably the two best teams in baseball slugging it out just to get into the playoffs.

You might be right that the '87 team played better overall baseball than the '84 team. The '84 team was deeper with a significantly better pitching staff but the '87 team got hot and stayed that way. '84 started off with the 35-5 run and then cruised to 69-53 the rest of the way. '87 started off awful, last place at 11-19 on May 11th, once falling as much as 11 games back. Then they went 87-45 the rest of the way before running out of gas against the Twins in the playoffs.

I *definitely* agree that Trammell got hosed out of the MVP in '87. He switched to cleanup and then had a dominant year offensively (OPS+ of 155) while playing his usual awesome defense. The voters were swayed by Bell's HRs (47) and that's fine. I just thought that Trammell was asked to carry more of the load than Bell and that he did so, as well as playing a key defensive position at a Gold Glove-caliber level.

Tabe

How about an a variation of the original question - which rookie card has the best combination of players while not having any scrubs on it? Trammell/Molly is great but Mickey Klutts was a mediocre player at best. If it was his rookie, the '78 rookie catchers with Murphy would probably get a vote. Bo Diaz had a nice 13-year, thousand game, career. Ernie Whitt played 15 years and was a fine defensive catcher. Lance Parrish was a superstar offensively and defensively, the best catcher in all of baseball for a few years, and a surefire HOF'er if he doesn't get hurt in 1986. People forget what a special player he was. Dale Murphy was a superstar, maybe the best PLAYER in all of baseball in the early 1980s, and a borderline HOF'er himself.

If you're still unsure, remember this item that Parrish popularized for a few years:

mlbfan2

<< <i>Seriously?! Bill Davis must have had Peter Pan Syndrome >>



Yup!

miwlvrn

Topps sure was amazingly cheap the way they recycled photos throughout the entirety of the 1960's...

alnavman

only reason I remembered this was because I am submitting one for grading this week....1966 Topps Don Sutton/Bill Singer. One hof'er and another who was pretty good in his time...

mygotta

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Yup!
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Funny, by 1969, they did not know what team he was going to be on so they removed a team logo on his hat! LOL

But that is incredible. Literally 5 rookie cards!! Unbelievable!!

smtjoy

This is going way back but I think this Leo Durocher Rookie would be tops when considering the other players. Enjoy-

epatmythes

Kind of kidding... but who knows what the future will hold...

And kudos to Topps for doing this "right" (IE. They didn't in 2012, as their RC Stars still had individual RC's in the set)...

2013 Topps Heritage Dylan Bundy/Manny Machado

JustinsShoebox

<< <i>Pretty sure that Ichiro / Pujols has to be one of the best ones!

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I actually think this is the best so far out of the posts/candidates. I know it's a "modern" card and there are so many great vintage multi-player cards, but this one is strong.

Two HOF locks. The year of this card, both were ROY. Ichiro even took MVP that year if I remember correctly?

Justin

fur72

Winner hands down.

Stadium1978

Trammell/Molitor is my pick for best multi-player baseball RC.

Other thoughts:

Pujols/Ichiro WOULD be the best if it weren't for the fact that they had regular cards by themselves.

Magic/Bird is the best overall regardless of sport.

I had no idea how great of a career Jerry Koosman had.

I REALLY wish this was a real card: