For those of you who didn't think Rick Probstein had a following...

bobbyw8469

think again! 1953 Topps common in a PSA 8 grade....
Both of these ended on the same night, only one hour difference...
1953 Topps EDDIE ROBINSON - PSA 8 ($92.88)


1953 Topps EDDIE ROBINSON - PSA 8 ($192)

This only solidifies my position that I will no longer be selling graded cards on my own, and will be using Probstein123 and PWCC to exclusively sell my slabbed cards. And we aren't talking about subtle differences ($5 vs $10 - that would be double, but on a small dollar amount it is easier to double than a larger dollar amount). We are talking about a PSA 8 common - one selling for $100, the other selling for $200, for virtually the exact same card.

wrestlingcardking

there are other theories out there as well..............

jay0791

The card for higher was a much nicer card vs lower price.
Probstein does a great job...but any card can vary on price

bobbyw8469

Not THAT much nicer. A PSA 8 is a PSA 8. Is it honestly worth OVER double the price of the cheaper one?

Yankees001

I like Rick, he does a great job.

But with all auctions it just depends on who is watching the item.

Dave

californiacards3

I agree had a great experience with him earlier this year

Barry

letsgocapitals

He definitely has a following. And that trumps any other ho-hum "it depends on who's watching" and "his 8 was 200% nicer than than the other 8" theory.

Why is it so difficult to admit the obvious sometimes?

Archaninator

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nam812

<< <i>No you didn't...Bobby you are one of a kind! >>



The lower priced one is the cry baby OPs card, what did you expect him to say?

Sethro

Are people really that lazy that when they are looking for a card they bid on the first one they find and that's it? They don't look for more? Of the SEVEN unique bidders on the $192, NONE of them bid on the $92.88 card? Three of those bidders bid over $92.88. None of them thought to look elsewhere? I know Probstein does a good job for sellers, but what is he providing for buyers that they are so willing to do business with him that they look nowhere else?

detroitfan2

The probstein card was from the famous "Dulce" collection, which is probably why it commands a premium.

The current "johnny", "yuleni", and "Daisy" auctions should also be interesting.

Jakt

<< <i>Are people really that lazy that when they are looking for a card they bid on the first one they find and that's it? They don't look for more? Of the SEVEN unique bidders on the $192, NONE of them bid on the $92.88 card? Three of those bidders bid over $92.88. None of them thought to look elsewhere? I know Probstein does a good job for sellers, but what is he providing for buyers that they are so willing to do business with him that they look nowhere else? >>



Excellent points. I wish that my bidders would treat my auctions the way they treat Probstein's. At the end of the day, you only need two people to get into a bidding war and hope that it gets personal.

itzagoner

grote15

Unfortunately, with consignment auctions, the consignor may have more impact on the final price than the bidders.

WalterSobchak

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<< <i>A PSA 8 is a PSA 8 >>



No you didn't...Bobby you are one of a kind! >>


Yeah, that is crazy inaccurate- and Bobby knows it.

ReggieCleveland

<< <i>Unfortunately, with consignment auctions, the consignor may have more impact on the final price than the bidders. >>



Very well said.

Dodgerfanjohn

<< <i>Unfortunately, with consignment auctions, the consignor may have more impact on the final price than the bidders. >>



This^^^^^^



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Excellent points. I wish that my bidders would treat my auctions the way they treat Probstein's. At the end of the day, you only need two people to get into a bidding war and hope that it gets personal. >>



See above point. In consignment auctions you actually only need one.

Dodgerfanjohn

<< <i>Are people really that lazy that when they are looking for a card they bid on the first one they find and that's it? They don't look for more? Of the SEVEN unique bidders on the $192, NONE of them bid on the $92.88 card? Three of those bidders bid over $92.88. None of them thought to look elsewhere? I know Probstein does a good job for sellers, but what is he providing for buyers that they are so willing to do business with him that they look nowhere else? >>



Funny isn't it?

However, I've seen more people bid on stuff where theres a less expensive BIN of the EXACT same item available.

The most recent trend I've seen is people bidding at SMR without doing a search of what recent items sold for. Its very common that recent cards of the same grade sold for half of SMR.

Mapleleaf

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<< <i>Are people really that lazy that when they are looking for a card they bid on the first one they find and that's it?

Yes.

stown

Has anyone even implied that Rick doesn't have a following? Maybe someone has but I cannot recall any respected members saying that.

Foo3112

There are really some dumb bidders out there. What else can it be? 2 Listings - Same card. Each seller with enough positive feedback and both ending within an hr from each other. I would have immediately gone directly to the lower priced one if I liked the cards overall condition. No offense to Probstein but I tend to stay away from his auctions along with other big consigners on ebay for this reason.

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<< A PSA 8 is a PSA 8 >>


Yeah, that is crazy inaccurate- and Bobby knows it. Yeah, that is crazy inaccurate- and Bobby knows it.

+1

bobbyw8469

<< <i>Yeah, that is crazy inaccurate- and Bobby knows it. Yeah, that is crazy inaccurate- and Bobby knows it. >>



You are right....I apoligize. My PSA 8's are really PSA 5's that have been severely overgraded. I apologize and I will try not to let it happen again!

WinPitcher

If I had my choice and they were both priced the same, you know, because an 8 is an 8 and all
that, I'd choose the Probstein example.

ReggieCleveland

Buy the card, not the holder.

If all one cares about is inputing a cert # into their registry then a PSA 8 is a PSA 8.

WalterSobchak

<< <i>You are right....I apoligize. My PSA 8's are really PSA 5's that have been severely overgraded. I apologize and I will try not to let it happen again! >>


Not what we're saying- and once again, you know that's not what we're saying.

ClockworkAngel

First off, who in the world is saying he doesn't have a following? If anything, there are many members of this board that follow him a little too much

Second, I think it's been very well established that the two main consignors get more. Why that is I don't know. Maybe Buyers just feel more secure they're buying from a legit source or maybe the scans help sell the cards much more.

Also, keep in mind that they both give the option of credit to the sellers that consign with them. I think that's good business, because it will attract more bidders to "buy" from him with the thinking that since they have credit they'll spend a little more since they're not spending real money anyway

bobbyw8469

<< <i>Not what we're saying- and once again, you know that's not what we're saying. >>



You are right. There IS a difference between grades. Do I think those 8's (the two Eddie Robinson examples) are identical? No. They each have their pluses and minuses. Do I think they are similiar? Yes. I honestly don't see one as being worth $200 and the other as being worth $100. Obviously the bidders disagree.

WalterSobchak

<< <i>You are right. There IS a difference between grades. Do I think those 8's (the two Eddie Robinson examples) are identical? No. They each have their pluses and minuses. Do I think they are similiar? Yes. I honestly don't see one as being worth $200 and the other as being worth $100. Obviously the bidders disagree. >>


Sometimes those high-volume consigners just get crazy prices that are way out of line with what the card usually goes for, and it can't be completely explained away by the difference in eye appeal. I was lucky enough to be the one who sent in the '78 Topps Seaver PSA 10 in the most recent PWCC auction. Check out what it went for.

I think the chances of the same card, ending at the same time, approaching that price if the seller were little ol' me are somewhere between 0 and 0%.

-edited for grammar-

1954

There was a 1953 Joe Collins that I was watching that Probstein sold last night fro $790ish and I did not like it as well so I bought the same card for $870. Both ended last night so the theory is not always accurate. I will agree he gets very good money for what he sells though.

Shane

elsnorto

Who knows, maybe it is those awesome item descriptions or has something to do with the fact that every bidder above the $90 mark has double digit activity in the past 30 days with probstein.

Snorto~

Dodgerfanjohn

<< <i>Has anyone even implied that Rick doesn't have a following? Maybe someone has but I cannot recall any respected members saying that. >>



No one has said that. The premise as stated in the title is a strawman argument(debating a point that no one actually made).

bobbyw8469

Bottom line.....for only 5% comish above Ebay fees, it is a no-brainer on what to do....

handyman

And we will know you love your own consignment at a percent less than what you paid for it.
We get it bobby.

Boopotts

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Second, I think it's been very well established that the two main consignors get more. >>



Actually, no-- that hasn't been established at all.

ReggieCleveland

Zing.

Boopotts

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<< <i>You are right. There IS a difference between grades. Do I think those 8's (the two Eddie Robinson examples) are identical? No. They each have their pluses and minuses. Do I think they are similiar? Yes. I honestly don't see one as being worth $200 and the other as being worth $100. Obviously the bidders disagree. >>


Sometimes those high-volume consigners just get crazy prices that are way out of line with what the card usually goes for, and it can't be completely explained away by the difference in eye appeal. I was lucky enough to be the one who sent in the '78 Topps Seaver PSA 10 in the most recent PWCC auction. Check out what it went for.

I think the chances of the same card, ending at the same time, approaching that price if the seller were little ol' me are somewhere between 0 and 0%.

-edited for grammar- >>



And sometimes they don't. Exhibit 'A', as it so happens, is the '78 Seaver PSA 10 that sold just before yours did.

WalterSobchak

<< <i>And sometimes they don't. Exhibit 'A', as it so happens, is the '78 Seaver PSA 10 that sold just before yours did. >>


I'd argue with you if I could.

nam812

Don't you all know by now that Bobby is the world's biggest crybaby?

No one has ever stated that Probstein does not have a following, but Bobby needed a platform on which to whine to the masses that his card (yes the lower one was Bobby's) didn't sell for as much as Probstein's, so he used that as his title.

goraiders

Just had a few cards end myself with Rick,mostly autos but the few cards I did send
ended all over VCP,one was $78 over,not bad on a $ 250ish card,thanks again Rick.

churchiscool

obviously the one that went lower didn't have 2 guys who kept incrementally bump up the prices...is this what bobby is trying to get at?

bobbyw8469

Nick...I can be like you and name call and dog you out as well...but I am going to take the high road. So go back to your little boy games of name calling and what not. Whatever makes you feel better about yourself.

nam812

Your threads are always a pity party for yourself, and it wears thin after a while. Where was your thread last week when your 1961 Maris sold for 60%+ more than Probstein's only 1 week apart?

Crybaby's 1961 Maris PSA 5

Probstein's 1961 Maris PSA 5

handyman

Dont confuse the guy! He's allready made up his mind if you read the tittle nam.

itzagoner

bobby called nick a little boy.

so perhaps nick is a nuke.

and the high road has forked.

bobbyw8469

<< <i>Where was your thread last week when your 1961 Maris sold for 60%+ more than Probstein's only 1 week apart? >>



Not even close....50/50 centering versus 80/20 centering. As a matter of fact, I DARE you to find a '5' with better centering than that one!......the Eddie Robinsons though are just a WEE little bit harder to differentiate. They looked virtually identical.

yankeeno7

I can hear the world's smallest violin playing in the background.....

bobbyw8469

<< <i>I can hear the world's smallest violin playing in the background.... >>



Get over yourself.

TNP777

Wait... so a PSA 8 is a PSA 8, but a PSA 5 isn't a PSA 5?

Bosox1976

Daniel LaRusso: You're the best friend I've ever had!
Mr. Kesuke Miyagi: You... pretty OK, too. Go, find balance. [chuckles]
[Daniel starts to drive away]
Mr. Kesuke Miyagi: Banzai, Daniel-san!
Daniel LaRusso: Hey, banzai!
Mr. Kesuke Miyagi: [beat; then; louder] Banzai!
Daniel LaRusso: [louder] Banzai!
Mr. Kesuke Miyagi: [shouts] Banzai!
Daniel La Russo: [shouts back] Banzai!

JoeBanzai

ONCE AGAIN FAR TOO MANY MULTIPLE POSTS ABOUT PROBSTEIN BY INDIVIDUAL SELLERS

bobbyw8469