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bobbyw8469

How was it stolen? You dont ship the card until the echeck clears I thought?

vintageinvestments

He called and asked me to post. I do not know much else except that he must have sent it early and the guy cancelled the check. He has contacted him via email and the guy has not given indication of returning the card up to this point. THere fore, it is stolen. Keep an eye out for this particular card.

Thanks
Jason

Dboneesq

How about giving us the eBay ID of the person!!!!!!

digicat

Ebay ID, name and address it was sent to, email address used.

Found the link to the listing:

listing

Piggs

So did the scam buyer offer to bypass paypal and offer sending a check? Details would be great.

vintageinvestments

Yes I have emailed my friend and asked for all of those details. I will post them soon. I think he said Pennsylvania is location. I will post as soon as I get info. Thanks for keeping an eye out.

Jason

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bubblebathgirl-

I agree and as I said I am posting this for a friend. He is well known in the hobby but had someone post the card on eBay for him. I agree he should have waited to send the card. I do not have all of the details yet, but from what I was told, the buyer talked him into mailing it early before the echeck cleared. I think he assumed he was safe through PP considering they took the fee and accept checks as funding. I personally only ship after notification of echeck clearing.

Jason

vintageinvestments

I agree totally. I didn't take it personally. I told him I would post it to help out so members would flag it if seen. This seems to be a great place of networking for watchdogs. ')

Griffins

The buyer was from Raritan, New Jersey. The owner of the card is an old friend and very experienced in the hobby- this was a well run scam apparently.

JHS5120

<< <i>The buyer was from Raritan, New Jersey. The owner of the card is an old friend and very experienced in the hobby- this was a well run scam apparently. >>



He was from Raritan? Really? I live right by Raritan. Please do tell us who this guy is, I'll drive down the road for you and pay him a visit

KbKards

It's not stolen unless a police report is filed. So tell your friend to file a police report on the incident or nothing "legally" can be done if it pops up again.

vintageinvestments

Here is the info that my buddy sent to me on FB:

Contact Information for antiquekid2308
User ID: antiquekid2308
Name: Patrick Farenga
Company: Sneakszz
City: Raritan
State: NJ
Country: United States
Phone: (908) 872-7725
Registered Since: Saturday, May 17, 2008 08:52:41 PDT
feel free to give em a jingle! i have nothing to loose at this point!

bbuckner22

Less than glowing feedback for antiquekid2309 to say the least

vintageinvestments

Update. My friend asked me to post this idiot's response by email. Here it is. Sounds like excuses from a typical scammer who knows the system to me. Here is what he asked me to paste:


Dear toddio44,

What you did was completely wrong...I havn't been on my account in a couple weeks some people have lives ya know. I've received messages with links attached to forums you've posted about me.....All my personal information etc.....I'm not here to scam anyone, ecspecially over a stupid baseball card. Why would you go forth with something like that without even a response from me? THE PAYMENT WAS TAKEN FROM MY ACCOUNT I HAVN'T BEEN REINBURSED. Good thing that is no longer my phone number but that's honestly the most unprofessinal thing i've seen yet and your completely out of line. If I had the money in my account I would have no problem sending the stupid card back but i DONT! Your gonna send someone to pay me a visit? REALLY? I have a family and a life lets not turn this into something its not, trust me. When YOU get my money back in my account I will ship the card but till then I dont know what else to tell you. You want proof that the money was taken out? I have proof....I'm not intimdated by your legal actions or your bad mouthing me throughout the psa community, I could care less. FACTS are FACTS, the card was sent before it was cleared which led us to this problem. I asked if you received the payment and you said YES without any mentoining of a processing payment, I have messages to prove it. DID YOU TELL YOUR BUDDY THAT? In the whole gyst of things thier's nothing you can do legally about this your only hope is me getting money back For you to be doing what your doing on the fourms is just out right stupid, and you expect me to be any sort of complient after that? Paypal wont back you up and neither will eBay since you did not follow their guidelines, so I'm your only hope in this situation and that's how you treat me? Just a fair warning, if you do not take down the forum, harassment/domestic threat charges will be filed with my local police on Todd Burgett of San Jose California. I will be sure to print out the exact forum and all responses from.

RAWcardDAWG

someone from this board on the east coast need to put on their mafia persona and pay this guy a visit.

Piggs

What scum that guy is.

robert67

Baez578

Bummer your friend has to deal with this.

Maurice

Contact the police in Raritan, NJ.

Canceling an electronic check is the equivalent of issuing a stop payment on a paper check. If someone does this after taking receipt of merchandise, it is a crime. It is check fraud.

It doesn't matter that Paypal recommended not shipping until the eCheck cleared. The person is required by law to either return the merchandise or pay for it.

Maurice

You may also want to contact the postmaster in Raritan, NJ and let him/her know of the theft by check and that the merchandise was delivered by the USPS.

vladguerrero

Is there anything to what the guy is saying?... the seller updating the status as shipped put the money in limbo?

vintageinvestments

Latest dialogue that my friend corresponded with:


Dear toddio44,

What you did was completely wrong...
Trying to collect money you are obligated to pay in 4-5 day, not at all!

I havn't been on my account in a couple weeks some people have lives ya know.
But you have been home to hold a 75 mini George Brett rookie card in your hand for 2 plus weeks you haven’t paid for! Not to mention the phone calls and messages you have received and are hiding from!

I've received messages with links attached to forums you've posted about me.....All my personal information etc....
Yep-this is called an admission of identity-thank you.

I'm not here to scam anyone, ecspecially over a stupid baseball card.
Then why are you writing? Merely pay for it or send it back, tomorrow works fine!

Why would you go forth with something like that without even a response from me?
Exactly! You nailed IT! BECAUSE YOU ARE JDING AND NOT RESPONDING FOR WHICH YOU ARE LAWFULLY OBLIGATED!

THE PAYMENT WAS TAKEN FROM MY ACCOUNT I HAVN'T BEEN REINBURSED.
Not true! But you did sell some hot wheels cars for $500 around the same time you signed for the George Brett card you have not paid for!

Good thing that is no longer my phone number but that's honestly the most unprofessinal thing i've seen yet and your completely out of line.
Explain that to the police and phone company and US Postal inspector when they get the filed claims and come take legal action against you, I’m sure they can set you straight right away, in cuffs!

If I had the money in my account I would have no problem sending the stupid card back but i DONT!
You don’t have the money, that’s obvious…you DO have the card however!

Your gonna send someone to pay me a visit? REALLY?
Yes! They are called the police, Postal authority and computer internet homeland security division of fraud if possible-sure! The goal is to get paid or the property stolen back! J
Need a copy of the police report filed?

I have a family and a life lets not turn this into something its not, trust me.
It is called fraud and stealing….that is exactly what it is! And no, I do not trust you nor should anyone else.

When YOU get my money back in my account I will ship the card but till then I dont know what else to tell you.
When will I see the card in my hand?

You want proof that the money was taken out? I have proof....I'm not intimdated by your legal actions or your bad mouthing me throughout the psa community
Then why do you write this? ~~~

“”””you expect me to be any sort of complient after that?”””
YES! J I expect you to pay or send the card back immediately!
Did you forget writing these just two minutes ago??~~~
“I'm not here to scam anyone, ecspecially over a stupid baseball card.”

, I could care less. FACTS are FACTS, the card was sent before it was cleared which led us to this problem. I asked if you received the payment and you said YES without any mentoining of a processing payment, I have messages to prove it. DID YOU TELL YOUR BUDDY THAT? In the whole gyst of things thier's nothing you can do legally about this your only hope is me getting money back For you to be doing what your doing on the fourms is just out right stupid, and you expect me to be any sort of complient after that?

Paypal wont back you up and neither will eBay since you did not follow their guidelines,
But the Postal authority mail fraud division of the US Government will…..and will the police and your bank! They have authority to have you arrested-“trust me”!

so I'm your only hope in this situation ~
Oh no, you are way off on that sir! The postal authorities, whom you signed a receipt with coupled with internet and the local police authorities will have questions for you being as in writing you are stating publically you will steal my property! You actually threaten in this letter to steal` internet fraud is a felony, as is mail fraud sir! Send it back quickly or pay as any decent person would do!

and that's how you treat me? Just a fair warning, if you do not take down the forum, harassment/domestic threat charges will be filed with my local police on Todd Burgett of San Jose California. I will be sure to print out the exact forum and all responses from.
Please do! And call the FBI as well! As long as you pay or send the card back! The above comment is a misdemeanor sir; you have threatened to willfully withhold property of mine! In writing no less!

MrSnuffleupagus

Why would George steal from the Yankees?

Oh... Suggestions and talk of vigilantism by anyone is very silly. This should probably be QUIETLY handled by the authorities.

Also, not that it is relevant to the alleged theft, an interesting post in the 1975 Mini registry forum by MiniDuff: "anyone see the sad case of the stolen brett 9 on the general forum? didnt want to add insult to injury, but wow...never seen a more obvious sheet cut in my life. old slab, stunning and sharp card, but waaaay wide and short to boot. "

What a creepy, kooky, mysterious and spooky, all together ooky hobby we have and enjoy so much!

Anyway... I hope it all turns out well for him! Never get cheated!!

vintageinvestments

This guy asked me to post this update about this card:

So the “buyer”, THIEF (PATRICK FORENZA*) actually, wrote back five times conveniently said he had no receipt for supposedly sending the Brett card back,(figures, how convenient), and then blames the seller for lying by saying he never received the card he obviously never sent back….now of course the thief Patrick had no receipt then disconnected his phone number and terminated his E-bay Account only to know doubt create another. Gee whiz, I guess the $500 he stole was worth more than his account and his friends and connections as he must not have to be so willing to change his phone number over. A few local card sellers in his area also told me they already would have never done any business with him from prior dealings!

halfcentman

I live less than 30 minutes from Raritan, NJ. Let me know if you need any help.

3BoyzTrading

So the lesson here is to ensure that the e-check clears before you send an item in the mail.

Probstein123

nobody sent it to me yet..thanks for posting, I'll keep an eye out for it..

gemint

This kid's playing with fire. Dumb people scamming on eBay. I got burned once along with several other people about 10 years ago. We went after him with the postal inspector and police. Long story short, he ended up in jail and had to pay restitution to all those he ripped off.

Let's hope this loser gets the same treatment.

CharleyBrown

With a little research, you should be able to find out the names and phone #s for everybody that lives around him.

Send him a message with all that information, and let him know that, unless he returns your card, you plan to contact everybody on the list to let them know that they live next to a thief.

ReggieCleveland

<< <i>With a little research, you should be able to find out the names and phone #s for everybody that lives around him.

Send him a message with all that information, and let him know that, unless he returns your card, you plan to contact everybody on the list to let them know that they live next to a thief. >>



I'm not a lawyer but I would imagine that would get you in hot water and open yourself up to charges against you.

JHS5120

<< <i>I'm not a lawyer but I would imagine that would get you in hot water and open yourself up to charges against you. >>



+1

MinorLeaguer

Sorry your friend has to deal with this, but unfortunately he left himself vulnerable by sending that beautiful card prior to the payment clearing. I know in the rush of the world, we try to cut corners to save time or for convenience, but you have to take the time to do things right or you will eventually suffer losses. Reminds of a time I helped a friend. She is horrible with money and she had to pawn a bunch of grandma's old silver pieces and gold jewelry a few years ago. Since they were heirlooms, I was happy my friend was able to gather up the money before the time-frame to pay off the loan expired. But the pawn shop was not in a great area and she was a little bitty thing and was going via train so I offered to go with her and drive her. She probably had a loan of about $1000 and had to put up like $5,000 worth of valuables. She handed the pawn ticket to a 60 year old worker who was more interested in reading the sports section than assisting. Her stuff was all in a box in the safe. he counted her payment and then plopped the box down on the counter and said goodbye nastily. She picked up the box ready to leave and I stopped her and asked if she was not going to make sure all of her stuff was actually in the box. She asked if that was a smart thing to do, and i replied, "of course!" She started going through it all laying the stuff on the counter, and the old guy comes back, grabs the box and dumps her belongings out on the counter all upset that we didn't trust him. "We've been in business 50 years!", he shouted. I told him, "yes, that's great, but we've only done business with you once and thus, we trust you as much as you trust us. And you must know that the second we leave that pawn shop, we have no recourse if something is missing or damaged." The owner perked up hearing the commotion and came by. He apologized profusely and gave a tongue lashing to the employee. So we then stalled to leave and took a long 10 minutes looking over all her pieces to make sure none got dented from being dumped out like that. The old guy stewed fuming while the owner smirked as he knew exactly what we were doing. Thankfully nothing was damaged and all was there. I shook the owners hand, thanked him for his service and said I hope WE (emphasis on pointing to the owner) would do business again. I still never understand why the old guy got so ticked as it was just good business to check. That would never had offended me if I was in his shoes.

jmmiller777

Sorry to hear this. I hate it when our community rips each other off. I hope the guy receives his due.