Why did you sell me searched wax packs?
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I trusted you when I gave you my almost $100 in hard earned money to buy those hard to find Battlestar Galactica cards. I had searched BBCE because I trust them with my money, but like most things I'm looking for, they just didn't have them. What makes a person like you just think they can get away with selling something that is not what they describe in their auctions? You are a liar.
You made me think that the wax box was authentic. You said the box hadn't been searched and/or looked at for decades. That it had been sitting in your collection and you were the first 1 to buy it back in 1978. I was willing to give you even more to get an all original un-opened box. That is all I wanted. Now I'm out $100 and I have a stack of cards that are not gradable, and are all off center, with bad corners and some ripped edges.
You see, even though I don't post alot, and I keep quiet around here, I feel that I know alot about cards, and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to detect the difference between un-opened and all ready opened. Gum stains on the left side of a bottom card when the gum is stuck to the right side. Wax stains on cards in the MIDDLE of the packs. Some cards are in numerical order and some are not. Folded wax stains where the gum cards is, and most of all, I didn't have a single pack in the box that was correctly sealed. They were all loose, and Topps doesn't seal their packs like that.
Shame on you for being a unscrupulous, cheating, thief of a liar for stealing my money. You are lucky I had saved this box for a rainy day (A few years ago) and didn't write your name down so I could get you back by outing you on these boards.
Have a nice life ya F*****!!!!!!!
Paul B. Gunsallus
You made me think that the wax box was authentic. You said the box hadn't been searched and/or looked at for decades. That it had been sitting in your collection and you were the first 1 to buy it back in 1978. I was willing to give you even more to get an all original un-opened box. That is all I wanted. Now I'm out $100 and I have a stack of cards that are not gradable, and are all off center, with bad corners and some ripped edges.
You see, even though I don't post alot, and I keep quiet around here, I feel that I know alot about cards, and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to detect the difference between un-opened and all ready opened. Gum stains on the left side of a bottom card when the gum is stuck to the right side. Wax stains on cards in the MIDDLE of the packs. Some cards are in numerical order and some are not. Folded wax stains where the gum cards is, and most of all, I didn't have a single pack in the box that was correctly sealed. They were all loose, and Topps doesn't seal their packs like that.
Shame on you for being a unscrupulous, cheating, thief of a liar for stealing my money. You are lucky I had saved this box for a rainy day (A few years ago) and didn't write your name down so I could get you back by outing you on these boards.
Have a nice life ya F*****!!!!!!!
Paul B. Gunsallus
Later, Paul.
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Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>People grade Battlestar Galactica cards? >>
Grote15, is that all you got out of this rant? Yes I do and I also grade M*A*S*H, space 1999, and modern Topps including 2011 and 2012.
Paul.
Later, Paul.
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<< <i>People grade Battlestar Galactica cards? >>
Grote15, is that all you got out of this rant? Yes I do and I also grade M*A*S*H, space 1999, and modern Topps including 2011 and 2012.
Paul. >>
Thanks for the info. I'm sorry this happened to you.
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You are a Guy that I enjoy reading what you write. You are wise and have many good things to say. I have learned alot from you.
Paul.
Later, Paul.
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The really sad thing is most of the time, these douches are putting in more effort than they monetarily gain.
So not only are they immoral scumbag thieves, they're stupid as well.
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<< <i>People grade Battlestar Galactica cards? >>
While I don't grade Battlestar Glactica cards, there are many people who grade non-sport. And even stranger than that, people search non-sport packs! Believe it or not, this same thing happened to me with a MASH box a few years back. Supposedly unopened, but the packs were filled with miscut cards, some packs didn't have enough cards, wax stains on cards in the middle of the pack, etc. Was someone searching for a Klinger RC?
I feel for you Paul!
Paul, forgive the naive question, but what, exactly,
were they searching for in those Battlestar packs??
Certain cards?? Certain grades?? Other??
Just curious, since I'm pretty much clueless about
this series.
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<< <i>Paul, forgive the naive question, but what, exactly,
were they searching for in those Battlestar packs??
Certain cards?? Certain grades?? Other??
Just curious, since I'm pretty much clueless about
this series.
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I think Paul is just saying that they used all previously opened cards to fill the packs and subsequently the box.
Paul, did you use paypal to pay for the box? Maybe you can still retrieve records from them if you have a specific time frame. Sorry this happened to you.
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Sorry to hear about your loss. I think it is less about the actual money and more about the fact that someone ripped you off.
If you can figure out who sold them to you I say out them.
Doug
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<< <i>People grade Battlestar Galactica cards? >>
While I don't grade Battlestar Glactica cards, there are many people who grade non-sport. And even stranger than that, people search non-sport packs! Believe it or not, this same thing happened to me with a MASH box a few years back. Supposedly unopened, but the packs were filled with miscut cards, some packs didn't have enough cards, wax stains on cards in the middle of the pack, etc. Was someone searching for a Klinger RC?
I feel for you Paul! >>
Paul that does suck, it kind of ruins the hobby for a moment for you.
Sethro, I like MASH and that Klinger comment is priceless, thank you.
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Sorry to hear that this happened to you. There is not a worse feeling than being stolen from and regardless of what you bought or the amount of the purchase, it still burns. Perhaps this should be directed on the non-sports side to find out who did this to you. In all of my years on the PSA board I can't recall anyone selling unopened non-sports or sets on the B/S/T or Sports Cards forum.
About 11 years ago I lost $1500 on a card which I bought off of Ebay and the guy never sent the card. I paid by money order and I had no way of being made whole on the deal. The police got involved but I have no idea how it ever turned out. We all lose once in a while when we make deals. Not that this story is going to make you feel better but everyone has a story like this in life. Be thankful it was not more money.
Shane
Buying wax via Ebay is about 60-70% chance you will get something searched. I go in assuming everything on Ebay or other is tampered and then through due dilligence and make a case through additional photos, seller feedback history, communication, research etc there could be a good chance the box is legit.
I use to rationalize to myself nobody would search boxes that are cheaper, however I don't use that anymore knowing anything is possible with people trying to make a buck.
Don't let it stop you and use the board as a way to keep learning on ways to find the good in all the bad.
<< <i>There is always the chance the seller was unaware the box was searched, doesn't help you but is possible. If you raised the issue at time of sale a good seller would have refunded the money. It's the risk we take in this high stakes game of vintage wax.
Buying wax via Ebay is about 60-70% chance you will get something searched. I go in assuming everything on Ebay or other is tampered and then through due dilligence and make a case through additional photos, seller feedback history, communication, research etc there could be a good chance the box is legit.
I use to rationalize to myself nobody would search boxes that are cheaper, however I don't use that anymore knowing anything is possible with people trying to make a buck.
Don't let it stop you and use the board as a way to keep learning on ways to find the good in all the bad. >>
Paul says in the original post that the seller told him he was the original owner of the box. Making the seller very aware of whether or not the box had been searched.
Sorry to hear that this happened to you. I would always want to approach such a situation with the
thinking that the seller did not realize that there was an issue, but from the story in your rant it seems
hard to imagine that this seller did not know what he was doing.
Assuming he was in the know I hope there is a way you can pursue this. It was unethical and actually
criminal (wire fraud).
Dave
<< <i>I feel ya. I just opened a couple boxes of 1990 Topps Football the other day to get an Emmitt Smith rookie and I saw the stains on the back card near the opening and knew something was up. I basically got two or three of everything and not one Emmitt Rookie. Live and learn. >>
He was in the update set so if you did pull one I would be more concerned.
<< <i>Please dont out the seller...that way the same thing can happen to more good people on these boards... >>
I'm not outing the seller as it would not be worth it too me. I know alot of you guys would want to lamb baist the Guy, but not worth my energy searching Paypal, eBay etc.. I just want to rant, as I rarely post, but I am on here constantly reading.
<< <i>Paul, forgive the naive question, but what, exactly,
were they searching for in those Battlestar packs??
Certain cards?? Certain grades?? Other??
Just curious, since I'm pretty much clueless about
this series. >>
I know that the stickers that come 1 per pack are sometimes worth more than the cards. I can't say this too be true for say Starwars packs but it might be.
<< <i>Can I grade my six-million-dollar man cards? >>
If you are serious, then yes, you can have any cards graded.
I have bought the cards about 2 years ago or so. I just assumed that people just wouldn't waste their time to search Battlestar Galactica cards. If this was a box of 1978 Topps BB cards like someone mentioned, I certainly would have looked the box over. Now I have bought all kinds of boxes through BBCE and usually get the wrap with sticker routine with them. Get the box, and stick it in the hall closet until rip time. usually by when I get in on a group rip.
Now here is my M*A*S*H set of cards that I will work on until I get straight PSA 10's across the board. I have bought quite a few boxes and haven't had any pre-searched packs. Of course who would search these, unless they wanted that elusive Klinger RC. For me, its about the collecting side, and I really do not care how long or how much it will cost to make this set 100% PSA 10. Good thing is that there is only 66 cards in the set.
Thanks for all of the replies.
Paul.
Later, Paul.
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<< <i>The only thing worse than searched packs is that Alan Alda in the shower card.
LOL +1
Thats true. It obviously bothered you THAT much just like it would bother any of us. I say find who it was, contact them and ask for a refund. If this person turns into a complete dbag with you - throw them out to the wolves.
Edit - I wrote woods instead of wolves. lol
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<< <i>I feel ya. I just opened a couple boxes of 1990 Topps Football the other day to get an Emmitt Smith rookie and I saw the stains on the back card near the opening and knew something was up. I basically got two or three of everything and not one Emmitt Rookie. Live and learn. >>
He was in the update set so if you did pull one I would be more concerned. >>
%#$@!!!! I need to do more homework.
<< <i>Can I grade my six-million-dollar man cards? >>
If they are the 1974 test issue cards then I would suggest that you do.
<< <i>what a weird thread. You take the time to write a rant about being scammed, but then you go on to say it's not worth your time to search eBay/paypal records to out him? >>
I am sorry you were scammed, but I also have to agree with the above.
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<< <i>The only thing worse than searched packs is that Alan Alda in the shower card.
What about the Hot Lips shower card?
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<< <i>I feel ya. I just opened a couple boxes of 1990 Topps Football the other day to get an Emmitt Smith rookie and I saw the stains on the back card near the opening and knew something was up. I basically got two or three of everything and not one Emmitt Rookie. Live and learn. >>
He was in the update set so if you did pull one I would be more concerned. >>
Now THAT exchange was priceless. :>
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<< <i>I feel ya. I just opened a couple boxes of 1990 Topps Football the other day to get an Emmitt Smith rookie and I saw the stains on the back card near the opening and knew something was up. I basically got two or three of everything and not one Emmitt Rookie. Live and learn. >>
He was in the update set so if you did pull one I would be more concerned. >>
%#$@!!!! I need to do more homework. >>
Welcome to the message board, the members here hold a ton of knowledge and we have all been called out on here before.
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<< <i>Can I grade my six-million-dollar man cards? >>
Why grade them? You can rebuild them....
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<< <i>Are Battlestar Galactica cards a good investment? >>
Some people don't collect for investment. I am a set collector. I don't care about future value. If I like a set I try to complete it.
On a side note non-sports cards are gaining huge traction in the industry. Seems like very television show, movie and teen pop star has a set of cards these days and they usually sell out. (See Lost, True Blood, Simpsons, etc)
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