1979 topps tray case on Ebay
MrVintage
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I know there is at least one guy on these boards that might be interested. How much should one of these go for Paul?
79 topps tray case
79 topps tray case
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There can't be to many of these laying around.
He seems to be a coin guy?
He has some really cool stuff.
Have no idea what it should bring - I'm sure there's some snipes set and even BBCEx may be involved?
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>Looks like it is already worth more than the price of the individual trays. >>
Not yet. I'd estimate retail value of a 1979 tray right now at about $60.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Thanks,
David (LD_Ferg)
1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
Thanks,
David (LD_Ferg)
1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
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<< <i>How can you tell if the case are trays, grocery, or normal rack packs? >>
The case is 2 boxes of 24 ct wax trays which is a wax case.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>Very strong bidding thus far. The value of the sealed case will likely exceed the sum of its parts due to it being a sealed case. >>
With current market conditions I suspect we may all be astounded by the final number that this case reaches. Tim's retail price of $60 is spot on for now. We all may be re-evaluating our positions in 6 months.
Doug
Shane
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<< <i>I bet this case goes for $2900+. It definately would go for more had the guy not opened the case to take a picture of it, but I respect the guy for at least making sure it was the right year.
Shane >>
I bet it doesn't - legitimately at least. These packs have been going for $46-$51 on ebay and for less off. The zero feedback bidder is a huge red flag IMO.
I agree it's a shame that the seller opened the case. I emailed him out of curiosity and he said he opened the other case also. >>
I counted 14 ebay sales over the last 3 months with the price averaging $54.50 shipped. Do I think that number is static? No. Do I think Tim's number of $60 is close to todays market for trays? Yes The question is what this case will go for. With the typical ebay bidding I would be surprised if it doesn't pass $2800 ($58.33 per tray) and end up over $60 per tray. What was BBCE selling them for a few weeks ago?
$60 plus shipping, or about $68 dlvd.
Edit to add: I'd expect the unit price for these trays to be a bit higher than retail for a single tray due to the scarcity of finding an intact and original full case.
The impression I got when I first read the listing was that he opened 1 of the 2 cases and that the sealed case is the one he is selling. If the case is opened, I bet the winner may be very disappointed, imo..
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>What was BBCE selling them for a few weeks ago?
$60 plus shipping, or about $68 dlvd.
Edit to add: I'd expect the unit price for these trays to be a bit higher than retail for a single tray due to the scarcity of finding an intact and original full case.
The impression I got when I first read the listing was that he opened 1 of the 2 cases and that the sealed case is the one he is selling. If the case is opened, I bet the winner may be very disappointed, imo.. >>
I thought BBCE was selling them for $60 + shipping (and they sold out!). I agree, the premium is in the seal. Too bad they're opened. Still a rare item that rarely pops up for sale.
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<< <i>The impression I got when I first read the listing was that he opened 1 of the 2 cases and that the sealed case is the one he is selling. If the case is opened, I bet the winner may be very disappointed, imo.. >>
Dear bubblebathgirl,
It's not. I wanted to open it just to show the items inside and that they are in original condition. Remember, this auction is for only one case.
- doubleehobbies
From: bubblebathgirl
To: doubleehobbies
Subject: bubblebathgirl has sent a question about item #130861263578, ending on Mar-09-13 08:57:55 PST - 1979 Topps Baseball Tray Case, Ozzie Smith
Sent Date: Mar-03-13 19:12:19 PST
Dear doubleehobbies,
Please tell me the second case is still sealed.
Cheers,
Paul
- bubblebathgirl >>
The fact that BOTH cases are opened should definitely be made more clear in the listing.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
<< <i>Would anyone have hit the BIN for $2,900 and change if they saw it? I think people went crazy when they were first listed, but then came to their senses. Not much movement for quite a while now on any of his stuff. >>
If it was truly a sealed case, I would say yes. Both now that I know both cases are opened, I'd say no. I'd like to buy the 79 empty tray that holdss the wax trays in place, though, if anyone here winds up winning it!
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>Would anyone have hit the BIN for $2,900 and change if they saw it? I think people went crazy when they were first listed, but then came to their senses. Not much movement for quite a while now on any of his stuff. >>
What would you like to bet that the snipes are set? I'm going to have fun watching this one from the sidelines!
Thanks,
David (LD_Ferg)
1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
<< <i>The seller mentioned in another note that one of the cases are sealed. Seems a little contradictory. >>
After re-reading the Q's & A's, I think the seller mis-read Paul's first question. He is pretty adamant that the case being sold is sealed. That being so, I think there may be some bidders who will regret not hitting the BIN @ $2900!
Thanks,
David (LD_Ferg)
1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
Nice! ok who of us if the high zero feedback bidder?
Q: Greetings, very interested in your lot , I am shy of bidding due to the multiple 0/low feedback bidders on this lot. please review. I will not bid against such bidders.
A: Sorry, can't help you. I'm not going to cancel their bids.
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
<< <i>For those who didn't scroll down far enough, the high bidder with nil feedback was addressed:
Q: Greetings, very interested in your lot , I am shy of bidding due to the multiple 0/low feedback bidders on this lot. please review. I will not bid against such bidders.
A: Sorry, can't help you. I'm not going to cancel their bids. >>
Gee, what do you think that means??? LOL!
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<< <i>For those who didn't scroll down far enough, the high bidder with nil feedback was addressed:
Q: Greetings, very interested in your lot , I am shy of bidding due to the multiple 0/low feedback bidders on this lot. please review. I will not bid against such bidders.
A: Sorry, can't help you. I'm not going to cancel their bids. >>
Gee, what do you think that means??? LOL! >>
He didn't exactly ease that bidder's fears, did he? A rigid response with absolutely no qualms about running that guy off. Smell that stench?
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
The zero feedback bidder in question has bid on three items and one with the seller. There is no way to prove that they are a shill and in a case like this where a rare item shows up it is not out of the realm of possibilities that someone who his new to EBAY is bidding on this item in a legit manner.
For all we know it might be someone trying to cover their tracks and not be so easily spotted and started a new EBAY ID just for this auction.
There is no doubt that there is a level of uneasiness when seeing a zero feedback bidder but everyone started at zero and I don't think the seller should have to cancel those bids.
I looked at several of the other high dollar cases he is offering and there was no site of any zero feedback bidders in the top tier of bids.
If you are going to shill your auction with a zero feedback bidder why not do it on all of them?
<< <i>Why should the seller have to cancel zero feedback bids?
The zero feedback bidder in question has bid on three items and one with the seller. There is no way to prove that they are a shill and in a case like this where a rare item shows up it is not out of the realm of possibilities that someone who his new to EBAY is bidding on this item in a legit manner.
For all we know it might be someone trying to cover their tracks and not be so easily spotted and started a new EBAY ID just for this auction.
There is no doubt that there is a level of uneasiness when seeing a zero feedback bidder but everyone started at zero and I don't think the seller should have to cancel those bids.
I looked at several of the other high dollar cases he is offering and there was no site of any zero feedback bidders in the top tier of bids.
If you are going to shill your auction with a zero feedback bidder why not do it on all of them? >>
I agree with you. No one knows if the zero feedback guy E-mailed the seller already, etc. It's the seller's right to get what he wants for this. Demanding he cancel bids is a bit presumptious
TheClockworkAngelCollection
<< <i>Why should the seller have to cancel zero feedback bids?
The zero feedback bidder in question has bid on three items and one with the seller. There is no way to prove that they are a shill and in a case like this where a rare item shows up it is not out of the realm of possibilities that someone who his new to EBAY is bidding on this item in a legit manner.
For all we know it might be someone trying to cover their tracks and not be so easily spotted and started a new EBAY ID just for this auction. >>
He shouldn't have to, and I too considered the potential scenario you laid out. That could very well be the case. I just found his response to be somewhat abrupt (and curious, for that matter) based on the seriousness of the question posed. Not exactly the type of response that will compel those who are riding the fence to act in his favor. Nevertheless, should be an interesting conclusion in about an hour.
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Anyone else concerned that his wife is shipping his stuffed out? My wife would be like - "Heck, it's already in a box. I'll just use this magic marker and write the buyers address on it"
I would have though it would have finished in the $1600~ish range as thats a price point where its too much of a PITA to deal with selling it on ebay(I think if you run a string of these on ebay it would push the price down to the $125-130 range), but its a price point where a dealer can set up the case at a show and sell the individual boxes in the $130-140 range and do allright with minimal effort.
Maybe someone was into the current listing prices on ebay which go $160-200(but no ones buying).
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<< <i>The seller mentioned in another note that one of the cases are sealed. Seems a little contradictory. >>
After re-reading the Q's & A's, I think the seller mis-read Paul's first question. He is pretty adamant that the case being sold is sealed. That being so, I think there may be some bidders who will regret not hitting the BIN @ $2900! >>
And the winner should have hit the BIN button!
<< <i>I thought the final price was actually a good one for a case as rare as this one...The average tray that's been passed around goes for $60, so the premium here (about 5%) is rather reasonable, imo. This case is not something you buy to rip the packs open, but for an unoipened collector. >>
+1
aconte
Doug
Underbidder: bbcexchange
<< <i>Winner: ssworld
Underbidder: bbcexchange >>
Looks like Steve picked up the 1983 case but was outbid on the 81.
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<< <i>I thought the final price was actually a good one for a case as rare as this one...The average tray that's been passed around goes for $60, so the premium here (about 5%) is rather reasonable, imo. This case is not something you buy to rip the packs open, but for an unoipened collector. >>
+1
aconte >>
+2. If I collected wax trays, I would now have that sealed case for $2,900.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
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<< <i>I thought the final price was actually a good one for a case as rare as this one...The average tray that's been passed around goes for $60, so the premium here (about 5%) is rather reasonable, imo. This case is not something you buy to rip the packs open, but for an unoipened collector. >>
I agree that this is definitely for an unopened collector. At the price it was hovering at for days it already made zero sense to buy for ripping.
HOWEVER, I disagree for what you say these packs go for. Sure there is the anomaly here or there, but the average sale price on ebay is $50.46 based on sales over the last 3 months using the Olympic scoring method:
$46
$51
$49.99
$69.99 - disregarded since highest
$54.95 - free shipping so $50.95
$48.75
$55
$49.95
$56 - free shipping so $52
$41 - disregarded since lowest
So basically the winner paid a $10 premium to get the packs in a case. That seems reasonable enough to me if one was to keep the case sealed, but to rip and submit would be a very bad gamble IMO ... and to flood the market trying to get $70+ (the amount needed to turn a profit IMO) would most likely not be successful ... but ya never know, it's all a gamble! >>
I'm going to guess BBCE did not agree with you since he was the underbidder. Steve does not buy an item like this to hold onto long term. He either had a potential buyer or figured he could hold and
move at profitable price in the not too distant future. With the scarcity of the unopened 70's market of late and the rising prices, I'm confident he saw this as a nice item to add to his inventory.
aconte
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<< <i>I thought the final price was actually a good one for a case as rare as this one...The average tray that's been passed around goes for $60, so the premium here (about 5%) is rather reasonable, imo. This case is not something you buy to rip the packs open, but for an unoipened collector. >>
I agree that this is definitely for an unopened collector. At the price it was hovering at for days it already made zero sense to buy for ripping.
HOWEVER, I disagree for what you say these packs go for. Sure there is the anomaly here or there, but the average sale price on ebay is $50.46 based on sales over the last 3 months using the Olympic scoring method:
$46
$51
$49.99
$69.99 - disregarded since highest
$54.95 - free shipping so $50.95
$48.75
$55
$49.95
$56 - free shipping so $52
$41 - disregarded since lowest
So basically the winner paid a $10 premium to get the packs in a case. That seems reasonable enough to me if one was to keep the case sealed, but to rip and submit would be a very bad gamble IMO ... and to flood the market trying to get $70+ (the amount needed to turn a profit IMO) would most likely not be successful ... but ya never know, it's all a gamble! >>
Paul, Steve was willing to pay about $62 per pack (he bid $3k) which tells me he will be selling them for at least $70 each (probably more) when he gets hold of some more. Also, I don't think 48 packs constitutes a market flood.
Doug
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<< <i>I thought the final price was actually a good one for a case as rare as this one...The average tray that's been passed around goes for $60, so the premium here (about 5%) is rather reasonable, imo. This case is not something you buy to rip the packs open, but for an unoipened collector. >>
I agree that this is definitely for an unopened collector. At the price it was hovering at for days it already made zero sense to buy for ripping.
HOWEVER, I disagree for what you say these packs go for. Sure there is the anomaly here or there, but the average sale price on ebay is $50.46 based on sales over the last 3 months using the Olympic scoring method:
$46
$51
$49.99
$69.99 - disregarded since highest
$54.95 - free shipping so $50.95
$48.75
$55
$49.95
$56 - free shipping so $52
$41 - disregarded since lowest
So basically the winner paid a $10 premium to get the packs in a case. That seems reasonable enough to me if one was to keep the case sealed, but to rip and submit would be a very bad gamble IMO ... and to flood the market trying to get $70+ (the amount needed to turn a profit IMO) would most likely not be successful ... but ya never know, it's all a gamble! >>
I'm going to guess BBCE did not agree with you since he was the underbidder. Steve does not buy an item like this to hold onto long term. He either had a potential buyer or figured he could hold and
move at profitable price in the not too distant future. With the scarcity of the unopened 70's market of late and the rising prices, I'm confident he saw this as a nice item to add to his inventory.
aconte >>
Same thing goes for the 1983 case he bought that I commented negatively on. I'm more than willing to cede to an expert in the field and certainly Steve Hart knows far more about running his business than I would.
I myself couldn't see grabbing these up at this price point...it would just be a hassle to list and sell and package them for what I see as MAYBE $400 profit. But BBCE has a brick and mortar store, upcoming nationals, and basically gets attention just by having product. Seems like it makes sense for BBCE to be a buyer of product that is popular and they know they can move.
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<< <i>I thought the final price was actually a good one for a case as rare as this one...The average tray that's been passed around goes for $60, so the premium here (about 5%) is rather reasonable, imo. This case is not something you buy to rip the packs open, but for an unoipened collector. >>
I agree that this is definitely for an unopened collector. At the price it was hovering at for days it already made zero sense to buy for ripping.
HOWEVER, I disagree for what you say these packs go for. Sure there is the anomaly here or there, but the average sale price on ebay is $50.46 based on sales over the last 3 months using the Olympic scoring method:
$46
$51
$49.99
$69.99 - disregarded since highest
$54.95 - free shipping so $50.95
$48.75
$55
$49.95
$56 - free shipping so $52
$41 - disregarded since lowest
So basically the winner paid a $10 premium to get the packs in a case. That seems reasonable enough to me if one was to keep the case sealed, but to rip and submit would be a very bad gamble IMO ... and to flood the market trying to get $70+ (the amount needed to turn a profit IMO) would most likely not be successful ... but ya never know, it's all a gamble! >>
I'm going to guess BBCE did not agree with you since he was the underbidder. Steve does not buy an item like this to hold onto long term. He either had a potential buyer or figured he could hold and
move at profitable price in the not too distant future. With the scarcity of the unopened 70's market of late and the rising prices, I'm confident he saw this as a nice item to add to his inventory.
aconte >>
Also, don't be surprised if he works out a deal for that other case for around $2,900 or so as the other guy was probably a collector who put a premium on the unopened case, but may not be interested in one that is open. Steve wouldn't mind as he could sell that one off in inventory just as easy.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
<< <i>+1 for being able to see who bid and who won thanks to the semi-transparent bidding system of ebay. >>
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<< <i>+1 for being able to see who bid and who won thanks to the semi-transparent bidding system of ebay. >>
It was a valid point based in fact. It was worth making.
Both items have risen steadily in value over last year or so (I can remember getting 79 wax boxes from a rock solid source for $400 dlvd as recently as a couple years ago and 79 trays for $35 at that time, too) and $60 is the market value for a tray right now.
Paul, don't forget, too, that a number of the trays you listed prices for had tears in the cellophane, which is why they sold for a lower price. The trays in this case (I'm assuming) will be pristine. There's a big difference there for the tray or unopened collector.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Thanks,
David (LD_Ferg)
1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
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<< <i>+1 for being able to see who bid and who won thanks to the semi-transparent bidding system of ebay. >>
It was a valid point based in fact. It was worth making. >>
I'm guessing you don't understand why I put up that pic do you??
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.