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Why Did The Moderator Shut Down The Threads On The Wrestling Cards?

JMDVMJMDVM Posts: 950 ✭✭✭
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Sounds like people were trying to bring a shilling issue to the forefront but the moderator shut the threads down. Not sure under what rule...am I missing something?

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  • MisterBungleMisterBungle Posts: 2,308 ✭✭✭

    Thought I'd get in a +1 before this
    one is locked up too.

    ~


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  • otwcardsotwcards Posts: 5,291 ✭✭✭
    The first rule is that there are no rules.
  • mcadamsmcadams Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭
    Man, I hope they don't even know I clicked on this one...... Doh!
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  • mikliamiklia Posts: 1,295 ✭✭✭
    i think it's because wrestling isn't a sport.
  • swartz1swartz1 Posts: 4,911 ✭✭✭
    So...they make cards of something that isnt even a sport?


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  • Foo3112Foo3112 Posts: 1,961
    So...they make cards of something that isnt even a sport?

    They made Desert Storm trading cards.

    ...and yes miklia, I know you were kidding. Lets hope that everyone got it too.
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  • vladguerrerovladguerrero Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Sounds like people were trying to bring a shilling issue to the forefront but the moderator shut the threads down. Not sure under what rule...am I missing something? >>




    I was explained pretty clearly it was something that doesnt have a place on here.
  • 1all1all Posts: 511 ✭✭✭


    << <i>So...they make cards of something that isnt even a sport? >>



    Apparently...
    image

    <wink>
  • mcadamsmcadams Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>So...they make cards of something that isnt even a sport? >>



    Apparently...
    image

    <wink> >>



    You should hope that no one asks why you have that in your photobucket.
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  • cincyredlegscincyredlegs Posts: 2,032 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Sounds like people were trying to bring a shilling issue to the forefront but the moderator shut the threads down. Not sure under what rule...am I missing something? >>




    I was explained pretty clearly it was something that doesnt have a place on here. >>




    I can understand eliminating all the flame wars that got out of hand on these boards. It was becoming very un-enjoyable for awhile. However, in my humble opinion, I think it is a shame that you can't point out where shilling occurs, un-ethical behavior or when other underhanded dealings happen. It's PSA's board and they can run how they want but I think pointing this stuff out helps keep the hobby somewhat cleaned up.

    Mark
    Project:

    T206 Set - 300/524
  • mikliamiklia Posts: 1,295 ✭✭✭
    everything is wonderful!
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,743 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I agree with Mark and Jason. I think it is a benefit to collectors and to the hobby in general to point out these issues. There is a lot of knowledge on these boards and I've been grateful for what I've learned from many members here.


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • cincyredlegscincyredlegs Posts: 2,032 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I agree with Mark and Jason. I think it is a benefit to collectors and to the hobby in general to point out these issues. There is a lot of knowledge on these boards and I've been grateful for what I've learned from many members here. >>



    I tell you this, the guys on these boards have saved me money from their detective work and have shut down some pretty shady characters.

    Mark
    Project:

    T206 Set - 300/524
  • swartz1swartz1 Posts: 4,911 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>So...they make cards of something that isnt even a sport? >>



    Apparently...
    image

    <wink> >>




    image


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    - uncut


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  • otwcardsotwcards Posts: 5,291 ✭✭✭


    << <i>serious questions - has a thread about auction house shilling ever been locked or poofed from this board? is PSA liable for continuously erasing information about questionable (illegal?) activities?

    the detectives here are doing the industry a tremendous service on this and many other issues. I remain utterly perplexed as to why the mods have taken such a reactionary and counter-productive approach. >>



    I seriously doubt that PSA has any liability for what is posted by others or what they choose to censor. If I recall, and the legal minds here can interject, but "public" message board operators are not subject to liability with regard to content posted by other parties. However, prudence and common sense typically should be applied when the opportunity for potential loss of commerce or revenue is at hand and I think that has been the stance of the Mod in most cases. The protection of a few whining, sniveling members seems to also be one of their charitable contributions to the boards.

    With regard to the "detectives," many times they do fine work, but there are other times where some members shoot from the hip and end up pointing accusing fingers at the wrong people for the wrong reasons.

    Just remember, there are no rules but as long as those that shall not be mentioned are not mentioned, those that are not mentioned cannot complain that they were mentioned.

  • mikliamiklia Posts: 1,295 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    I tell you this, the guys on these boards have saved me money from their detective work and have shut down some pretty shady characters.

    Mark >>



    +$1000
  • mikliamiklia Posts: 1,295 ✭✭✭
    i like collecting!
  • elsnortoelsnorto Posts: 2,012 ✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>Sounds like people were trying to bring a shilling issue to the forefront but the moderator shut the threads down. Not sure under what rule...am I missing something? >>




    I was explained pretty clearly it was something that doesnt have a place on here. >>




    I can understand eliminating all the flame wars that got out of hand on these boards. It was becoming very un-enjoyable for awhile. However, in my humble opinion, I think it is a shame that you can't point out where shilling occurs, un-ethical behavior or when other underhanded dealings happen. It's PSA's board and they can run how they want but I think pointing this stuff out helps keep the hobby "semi-transparent".

    Mark >>




    Fixed that for you.

    elsnorto~
  • lahmejoonlahmejoon Posts: 1,762 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>Sounds like people were trying to bring a shilling issue to the forefront but the moderator shut the threads down. Not sure under what rule...am I missing something? >>




    I was explained pretty clearly it was something that doesnt have a place on here. >>




    I can understand eliminating all the flame wars that got out of hand on these boards. It was becoming very un-enjoyable for awhile. However, in my humble opinion, I think it is a shame that you can't point out where shilling occurs, un-ethical behavior or other underhanded dealings happen. It's PSA's board and they can run how they want but I think pointing this stuff out helps keep the hobby somewhat cleaned up.

    Mark >>



    I agree with Mark. If shilling is affecting the hobby, it should be allowed its day. When it turns into a smear campaign, then it's breaking Rule #4. I didn't interpret the initial post in that thread as slander, but merely pleading for the consignor to put a stop to the questionable bidding activity occurring on a few of the auctions.
  • Dpeck100Dpeck100 Posts: 10,912 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It was potentially slander and PSA can not have any involvement with that. I understand their position.

    The person who got called out admitted it because they had no choice since I had 100% proof.




  • TNP777TNP777 Posts: 5,710 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>So...they make cards of something that isnt even a sport? >>



    Apparently...
    image

    <wink> >>

    reminds me of this great video game I picked up

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  • OcTrAdInGOcTrAdInG Posts: 176 ✭✭
    One of the best YouTube clips out there. Thanks for posting.
  • Dpeck100Dpeck100 Posts: 10,912 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The consignor canceled his bids on his own which I think was a great move.

    Based on his bidding history on the Wrestling All Stars he generally marks an item with a nominal low bid and then snipes. I have only seen him bid before the close once on the first PSA 9 Matt Borne.


    The fact that all of the bids were $25 on cards that would far surpass those numbers coincides with his response and while I think it was not appropriate I feel these auctions are safe to proceed on.

    There are some nice cards in his lot that are for sale.







  • MrKnowthanxMrKnowthanx Posts: 322 ✭✭
    I haven't laughed that hard in a while. Being in Phx, we hear about WNBA every so often with Taurasi being here and the fact we got the #1 pick in the Griner sweepstakes (sad that I know that) image But the comment on the you tube link I had to point out due to the hilarity!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • gumbyfangumbyfan Posts: 5,168 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Sounds like people were trying to bring a shilling issue to the forefront but the moderator shut the threads down. Not sure under what rule...am I missing something? >>



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  • WalterSobchakWalterSobchak Posts: 2,096
    Since this happens with every thread in which a company that advertises with PSA is accused of wrongdoing, I'm not sure why it would come as a surprise to anyone at this point. Maybe if you're new, I guess.
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  • OcTrAdInGOcTrAdInG Posts: 176 ✭✭


    << <i>Since this happens with every thread in which a company that advertises with PSA is accused of wrongdoing, I'm not sure why it would come as a surprise to anyone at this point. Maybe if you're new, I guess. >>



    What really bothers me is the lack of response from the people or companies involved. If there is a problem, address it in the most professional manner possible.

    I'll say it again...I really do appreciate some of the comments on the board. There really is not enough transparency in the hobby right now.
  • thunderdanthunderdan Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭
    Any of you guys ever tried grape Tang? That stuff is the shizzle.
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  • nopenotyetnopenotyet Posts: 87
    Grape Tang is a sponsor for the WNBA, and the other one, uhhh,, can't think of it.... oh yeah, Wrestling. Maybe WNBA and wrestling should be combined in to a single sport of some kind.
  • LeonLuckeyLeonLuckey Posts: 123
    As someone with a bit of experience concerning liability for what people say on a forum or chat board I can safely say PSA is not liable for what anyone says. It falls, and this is from memory image, under Section 230 of the Federal Communications and Decency Act, otherwise known as the Bloggers law. You must be the publisher of information to be liable. That Section 230 defines publisher as the person posting (saying) whatever they are. It makes the moderator or forum owner immune to causes of action for what others say. A moderator can even edit someones post and still not be liable as long as they don't change the intent. For instance, if someone says I stole something and I am a (insert really bad word). The moderator can take out that bad word and the person making the post is still liable for what they say, legally. So, PSA is not responsible for what others say on their forum. PSA is responsible/liable for what PSA says on the board...in other words the moderator or forum owner is only legally liable for what they, themselves, say. Hope this helps.
  • cincyredlegscincyredlegs Posts: 2,032 ✭✭✭


    << <i>As someone with a bit of experience concerning liability for what people say on a forum or chat board I can safely say PSA is not liable for what anyone says. It falls, and this is from memory image, under Section 230 of the Federal Communications and Decency Act, otherwise known as the Bloggers law. You must be the publisher of information to be liable. That Section 230 defines publisher as the person posting (saying) whatever they are. It makes the moderator or forum owner immune to causes of action for what others say. A moderator can even edit someones post and still not be liable as long as they don't change the intent. For instance, if someone says I stole something and I am a (insert really bad word). The moderator can take out that bad word and the person making the post is still liable for what they say, legally. So, PSA is not responsible for what others say on their forum. PSA is responsible/liable for what PSA says on the board...in other words the moderator or forum owner is only legally liable for what they, themselves, say. Hope this helps. >>



    Thanks Leon. This is really helpful and speaks volumes.

    Mark
    Project:

    T206 Set - 300/524
  • OcTrAdInGOcTrAdInG Posts: 176 ✭✭


    << <i>
    Thanks Leon. This is really helpful and speaks volumes.

    Mark >>



    + 1
  • wrestlingcardkingwrestlingcardking Posts: 4,555 ✭✭✭✭
    Thanks for the feedback, I do not think that I was accusing the person who is in charge of selling these cards of anything. It just reeked of substantial wrongdoing, but it seems that everything now will be legit in the sale of these cards now. I am not going to bid further despite there being some great wrestling cards, but that is just the position I am taking. I appreciate the responses and thanks to Leon for chiming in here.
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  • Mat84Mat84 Posts: 63 ✭✭
    The whole ordeal was a cringefest, Dink and Doink immediately started tag teaming Rick for "allowing and not acting immediately" on shady practices. There's no reason to call that guy out and associate him with ilegal activity when ebay is clearly his livelihood, that stuff shows up in google searches etc not to mention paypal is massively notorious for locking peoples funds for weird complaints like this and putting the burden of proof on the account holder. It wasn't fair to Rick period and if you ask me simply deleting the threads was a merciful act by the moderator.









  • thenavarrothenavarro Posts: 7,497 ✭✭✭


    << <i> It wasn't fair to the consignor period >>



    Was it fair to the bidders to have to bid against the consignor?

    Mike
    Buying US Presidential autographs
  • Dpeck100Dpeck100 Posts: 10,912 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So which one am I? Dink or doink?

    By the way I guess you missed the thread where the consignor admitted it and canceled his bids.


  • Mat84Mat84 Posts: 63 ✭✭
    Sorry I meant it wasnt fair to the consignee, I fully agree the guy doing the shilling should be outed as an idiot.
  • calgarycollectorcalgarycollector Posts: 356
    Wasn't Doink in WWE for a while, makes since lol...DPeck, Wrestlingcardking, Maurice and others I for one am thankfull you help to uncover fraud like this on a weekly basis. I've been interested in a number of the cards subjected to shilling and because of the work of this group have saved myself thousands buying inflated auctions where I would be bidding against the cards owner!

    For those that are new or don't read before the lock and poof, unfortunatley last weeks stories are no different then the one uncovered each week it seems that coldly shows evidence of sellers bidding on their own items with this consignor. The consignor in question isn't being treated unfairly here and has been at the centre of this discussion every week. Eventually the consignor in quesiton appears, blames Ebay for a lack of control, discourages the practice then goes back to business as usual.

    Dpeck is a class act and fails to mention he fell victim to at least one of these shilling scenarios.
  • onebamafanonebamafan Posts: 1,318 ✭✭
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