Anyone like Tuscany?

EVillageProwler · February 17, 2013 3:01AM

No, this is not a travel solicitation. Yes, it is about coins. Or, a single coin. Or, an opinion about the image of a single coin.

I bought this coin raw during the NYINC 2012 show. The dealer had this coin marked FDC, and truth be told it looks great in hand: very nice satiny luster blended nicely with attractive old-time patina.

I submitted it to a reputable TPG, and came back MS61. I was horribly disappointed.

I showed it to the dealer at the 2013 show, and he was shocked. He felt the coin was a solid 63, with a outside shot at 64. I actually felt the coin was a 63 with an outside shot at 62. Anyway, 'gmarguli' submitted the coin for me to a different TPG and I got my grade. He also took the image for me, and I am asking the members to render an opinion on whether the image should have the insert showing, or with a background.

I'm used to no-insert, black background (or no/white background), but I must admit that I rather like what he did for me. Thoughts?

About this coin: the person is Peter Leopold Joseph Anton Joachim Pius Gotthard. He was Grand Duke of Tuscany from 1765 to 1790, and became HRE and King of Hungary and Bohemia from 1790 to 1792.

The mark from Leopold's chin down to the lower shoulder is a tone line, not a scratch. Odd, I know.

Zohar · February 17, 2013 3:03AM

<< Anyone like Tuscany? >>

I do now!

These Italian crowns are nowhere near as common as the German/Austrian. Very nice.

coinsarefun · February 17, 2013 3:29AM

Now this is something not seen everyday........beautiful!

coinlieutenant · February 17, 2013 5:04AM

What is going on in the field in front of his face?

coinlieutenant · February 17, 2013 5:05AM

I never have cared much for the cert showing in the pic.

EVillageProwler · February 17, 2013 5:27AM

<< What is going on in the field in front of his face? >>

No clue. It's probably either die state, or die marriage. The dealer, whose primary language is Italian, likened it to VAM, Bolender, or Overton.

EVP

duki · February 17, 2013 7:12AM

I believe he's balancing the philippines on his nose, or is it Japan.

MacCrimmon · February 17, 2013 8:03AM

<< What is going on in the field in front of his face? >>

In looking at the "max-sized" SP image, it looks like the 'islands' in the field are part of a massive die crack which was imminent; the rest of the crack extends in a very fine, circuitous line down from the neck-shoulder-epaulette area.

marcmoish · February 17, 2013 9:06AM

Nice tale here - what a nice piece - I like it too!

For the record but you knew that - no way in hell that's a 61 and should never have been graded as such.

I'm so tired of that game - but what are the choices really? I suppose the gains and benefits outweigh the fiasco's in between.

You were right to feel this one is a 63 and I admire you're ability to state it has an outside shot at 62. Not many have the noggles to make such statements. I totally agree with you on this one. I think we might be bonding

Of course this is JMHO

OldEastside · February 18, 2013 9:00AM

Luv it

Steve

EVillageProwler · February 18, 2013 10:15AM

<< I never have cared much for the cert showing in the pic. >>

Thanks for the comments, everyone.

As for the image style, I agree with CoinLT - no insert.

EVP

TwoKopeiki · February 20, 2013 3:24AM

Hey, EVP - your coin is a daily spotlight on PCGS's FaceBook page.

lordmarcovan · February 20, 2013 3:29AM

<< No, this is not a travel solicitation. >>

Darn.

Interesting coin, though.

Looks like he sneezed.

EVillageProwler · February 20, 2013 7:07AM

<< Hey, EVP - your coin is a daily spotlight on PCGS's FaceBook page. >>

2K - huh? Can someone please send me a link? I'm sorry for being so helpless on certain basic stuff.

EVP

EVillageProwler · February 20, 2013 7:10AM

Oh, I see it. Thanks! Neat!

lordmarcovan · February 20, 2013 7:38AM

Cool!

Do you have to log on to FB to see it?

I haven't been on there in so long. Unlike these forums, I never caught the Facebook bug like so many of my family members and coworkers. I have an account, but it's no more active than the present day politics of the Roman Republic, if you knowhutimean. Guess you could say this site is my Facebook.

mkman123 · February 20, 2013 10:05AM

If that was a Morgan I don't think it would even be remotely close to ms63

SaorAlba · February 20, 2013 12:02PM

I'd like Tuscany a lot more if I could live there with Diane Lane.

EVillageProwler · February 20, 2013 12:02PM

<< If that was a Morgan I don't think it would even be remotely close to ms63 >>

True - not all coins were birthed with the same quality.

EVillageProwler · February 20, 2013 12:04PM

<< I'd like Tuscany a lot more if I could live there with Diane Lane. >>

I like that movie. She's quite pleasing to the eye. Coin or Diane Lane - tough choice.

SaorAlba · February 21, 2013 8:30AM

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<< I'd like Tuscany a lot more if I could live there with Diane Lane. >>

I like that movie. She's quite pleasing to the eye. Coin or Diane Lane - tough choice.

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And just in the news today, Diane Lane is getting a divorce. I guess that means I am going to have to get a divorce so I can marry her.

EVillageProwler · February 21, 2013 12:41PM

Going back to the coin...

I invite the viewership to stay tuned for further developments.

Going back to Diane Lane... Well, not much more I can say that I can say here.

PBRat · February 22, 2013 12:05PM

Yes, I like that Tuscany.

I always admire coins with the Hanging Fleece.

nibanny · February 22, 2013 12:08PM

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<< I'd like Tuscany a lot more if I could live there with Diane Lane. >>

I like that movie. She's quite pleasing to the eye. Coin or Diane Lane - tough choice.

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And just in the news today, Diane Lane is getting a divorce. I guess that means I am going to have to get a divorce so I can marry her. >>

I can rent you my apartment in Tuscany, if you get to marry her!

LochNESS · February 22, 2013 12:29PM

OK here is the Facebook screen. For my reward, I'd like to know which TPG was harsher than PCGS on the original '61 submission?

Greg (gmarguli) is a reputable dude. I'm not surprised he was willing to help you on this one. Congrats on the 63!

Anyone like Tuscany?

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