A new 1841 O Dime

seateddime

A coin you dont see every day. 1841 O reverse of 42. Heavily cracked reverse.

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But it isn't new... it's 172 years old!

Nice. I like it.

Funny how wide the rims look on those.

etexmike

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But it isn't new... it's 172 years old! >>



But it looks pretty darn good for 172. I like it also.


Mike

ricko

Very nice....and I notice the very wide rims as well...seem a tad unusual... Cheers, RickO

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ebaybuyer

may be interesting to stress that the 1841 dated die pair is a later die state than the 1842 dated die pair and thus the 1841 dated coins were struck AFTER the 1842 dated coins

seateddime

I suspect over time the R5 may move higher in time as in this late die state coins just are not showing up.

It is very cool as the old leftover 1841 dime was paired with a worn out 1842 reverse after the die was basically useless.

The Greer/Fortin plate coin is much tougher than a R5, is many years of active searching I have not found a coin as nice as that one and not do to lack of trying.
I dig a lot a shows to find these coins. This is a tougher one.

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DIMEMAN

I've had one of those with the die cracks, but question how the reverse could be used "after" 1842 "in" 1841????

I don't think so.

seateddime

<< <i>I've had one of those with the die cracks, but question how the reverse could be used "after" 1842 "in" 1841????

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I was used after, there are example paired with the obverse of a 1842 with a rather notable rim cud. The die cracks are less extensive but due to the broken obverse die of 1842 it became necessary to use a left obverse die from 1841 thus this variety was created pairing the broken reverse of 42 with a usable obverse of 41.

I am sure this topic has been cover before in would be in the Fortin reference as well a Greer book.

I am grading this coin a VF in terms of actual wear however I believe PCGS would grade it a F-15 if submitted and possibly a 20.

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ebaybuyer

the progression of the reverse die cracks prove that the 1841 dated coins were struck AFTER the 1842 dated coins. believe what you like, but the proof is in the die progression.

sniocsu

Very nice

ebaybuyer

in the early 1840's the new orleans mint had more than its fair share of problems. in order to meet production demands, dies on hand were used until they literally fell apart. older dies were used if it meant not having to wait weeks for a die from the mother mint in philly. there are several known die pairings that substantiate this, examples are: an 1840 seated half obverse paired with an 1839 bust half reverse, an 1840 with drapery quarter obverse paired with a no drapery reverse (with the denticles recut by hand) probably the most "famous" are the transitional closed bud reverse dimes, and half dimes. there is contemporary evidence of the coiner of the new orleans mint attributing premature die wear to the silver alloy containing iron. much (if not most) of the silver was still coming out of mexico at this time and the iron was very rough on the dies.

ebaybuyer

by 1843 the new Orleans mint must have solved at least some of thier problems as the entire production of the dimes (150,000) was (supposedly) accomplished with one die pair. it stands to reason that as scarce as the 1843-o dimes are, a good portion of the 1843 production may have actually been dated 1842. this is very possible because it seems almost miraculous that an entire run of 150K coins could be minted from a single pair of dies with virtually no die fatigue of either die, considering only a year earlier they were using dies until they were falling apart.

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seateddime

Fortin places rarity on coins and adjusts them over time.

He certainly has a life beyond Seated Dimes and does not adjust each dime but periodically.

I would suspect that over time he may revise this but I don't speak for him or make changes to his reference.

Over time rarities go up or down based on real world discoveries or lack there of.

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seateddime

In this grade or better I would estimate this is a R6.

There are several coins listed as R6 in both the Greer and Fortin reference that are easily more common.

Bear in mind these figures change over time but upward and downward.

Those in the Seated community often discuss these subjects. Change is slow.

There is one or two coins that will I expect to see become listed as R7 that are listed as R6 and some R7 coins that may move down to R6. I would not share that information until it is published for all to see.

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seateddime

No, it is much rarer than original figured. I believe all agree on this and assume a revision may take place.

I know of only 3.

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NumisOxide

Cool dime!

seateddime

Actually no,

There are 4 - silly me, I forgot the Ahwash coin. There is a PF63 or 64 I purchased a few years back that I sold to a serious dime variety collector.

The PF66 Star is now also a been beaned by CAC. It really is a monster of a coin and I beleive the finest known and a coin someone has been trying to buy from me.

I see you are getting more serious about seated dimes. I find them to be a very difficult series. This is why I love them, it takes time to find better coins. Lot and lots of time plus a good deal of money as well.

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