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1922 no-mint Penny = fake?

Darth5ohDarth5oh Posts: 142 ✭✭✭
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Hey all,
After stopping by the CU last week and being asked a couple (coin-board) questions, it actually prompted me to pull-out a few items/coins and have a look! (It’s been a while. image )
On this penny board I noticed the “1922 (None Reported)” slot was filled. After looking it up and seeing the possible value I got a little excited, but a closer look quickly revealed an odd spot where the mint-mark should be – sure looks suspicious to me.

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Looks like the mint mark was ground-off, right?
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    AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 25,054 ✭✭✭✭✭
    not a fake but an altered date is my take on it.


    bobimage

    Edited: I revisted a Whitman penny album I had not looked at in 50 years, and low and behold I too had
    an altered 1914-d (from a 44-d) that I had overlooked as a kid. Posted it here several years ago.
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    LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>not a fake but an altered date is my take on it.
    bobimage >>


    i agree with the man that likes gold&silver
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    lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,895 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The second 2 looks very much as it should for a no-D.

    What's the reverse look like?
    Lance.
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    commoncents05commoncents05 Posts: 10,102 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>not a fake but an altered date is my take on it.
    bobimage >>


    i agree with the man that likes gold&silver
    . >>



    I disagree. The date looks fine, the mintmark was altered and ground off.
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    lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,895 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>not a fake but an altered date is my take on it.
    bobimage >>


    i agree with the man that likes gold&silver
    . >>



    I disagree. The date looks fine, the mintmark was altered and ground off. >>


    This is more likely, IMO.
    Lance.
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    lusterloverlusterlover Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭✭
    Lots of suspicious chatter under the date. All is not lost though as you have some nice minor keys with the early S mints on the board. They could add up to some nice $.
    pcgs.com/SetRegistry/half-cents/lincoln-cents-specialty-sets/lincoln-cents-basic-set-colorless-matte-proof-1909-1916/publishedset/102180
    https://pcgs.com/setregistry/showcase/2819
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    DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,044 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My guess is that a weak-D was scraped off.
    When in doubt, don't.
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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 34,292 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>not a fake but an altered date is my take on it.
    bobimage >>


    i agree with the man that likes gold&silver
    . >>



    I disagree. The date looks fine, the mintmark was altered and ground off. >>



    Correct. Removed mint mark, not altered date.
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    messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,887 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Looks like the mint mark was ground-off, right? >>


    Yes. You can see the divots that were left behind by the process, as well.
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    braddickbraddick Posts: 25,249 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm with the, "removed mintmark" grouping and not the altered date category.
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    Darth5ohDarth5oh Posts: 142 ✭✭✭
    Thanks for all the replies!

    Ikeigwin – I don’t think I have a pic of the reverse (at least not up on PB.)

    LL – yes, I think the “best” one is possibly the 1909S? I have shots of that one...

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    UtahCoinUtahCoin Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Run Forest, Run!!

    Removed Mint Mark
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    okracerokracer Posts: 436 ✭


    << <i>Thanks for all the replies!

    Ikeigwin – I don’t think I have a pic of the reverse (at least not up on PB.)

    LL – yes, I think the “best” one is possibly the 1909S? I have shots of that one...

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    Looks like the "VDB" was scraped off!................image




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    ModCrewmanModCrewman Posts: 4,055 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Is there a DDO for 1909-S? That date sure looks doubled in a Doubled Die sort of way.
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    OverdateOverdate Posts: 7,320 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I notice that for each date the "S" coins precede the "D". Was that the convention back in the day?

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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,851 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I'm with the, "removed mintmark" grouping and not the altered date category. >>



    Yup. The tooling is very evident in your pic. There are 1922 removed D cents out there that are virtually undetectable. Fortunately there are die markers for this coin that facilitate its authentication.

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    johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 34,768 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>not a fake but an altered date is my take on it.


    bobimage

    Edited: I revisted a Whitman penny album I had not looked at in 50 years, and low and behold I too had
    an altered 1914-d (from a 44-d) that I had overlooked as a kid. Posted it here several years ago. >>

    thats what it looks like to me as well.
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    Darth5ohDarth5oh Posts: 142 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Looks like the "VDB" was scraped off!................image >>



    Yeah – I don’t know what’s up with some of these coins?? (I sure hope someone didn’t scrape-off the ”VDB” on that 1909S! image )

    I saw something else VERY odd last night with a older large cent (I think) – I can’t remember the year, but it's “STAMPED” with a big “C W” into the obverse. It’s DEEP - heavy impact. I assume the coin is almost worthless like that. (I need to post that one for you guys to look at…)

    Thanks all for the interesting and informative comments!

    EDIT: I see what some of you are saying - the "22" looks like it's a different "font" compared to the "19".
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    jmj3esqjmj3esq Posts: 5,421 ✭
    Removed mint mark. A poor job too.
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    ambro51ambro51 Posts: 14,545 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A strongly struck 22D and a clever fellow with small tools and good eyes. The old penny board is pure delight I'd return the 22 to its place. BTW how's ths 14d?
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    slimedogslimedog Posts: 95 ✭


    << <i>Removed mint mark. A poor job too. >>



    wrong quote.

    The large cent is counter stamped. There are several collectors of counter stamped coins. If the counter stamp is from a known person it may have additional value.
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    sniocsusniocsu Posts: 1,293 ✭✭✭
    Removed the MM
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    GrumpyEdGrumpyEd Posts: 4,749 ✭✭✭
    The 22 has tooling marks where the mintmark was.

    The 09-S had some harsh cleaning by someone hoping to see a weak VDB on it.

    Can you get a close up of the date and S on the 09-S? Just thought it looks something like the S over horizontal S but can't tell from the pics.
    Ed
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    Darth5ohDarth5oh Posts: 142 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Can you get a close up of the date and S on the 09-S? Just thought it looks something like the S over horizontal S but can't tell from the pics. >>



    Best I have so far:

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    Darth5ohDarth5oh Posts: 142 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The large cent is counter stamped. There are several collectors of counter stamped coins. If the counter stamp is from a known person it may have additional value. >>




    This coin was tough to capture... I hope "CW" is well-known...


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    dollarsandcentsdollarsandcents Posts: 486 ✭


    << <i>Run Forest, Run!!

    Removed Mint Mark >>



    That quote from Forest Gump never gets old....even after almost 20 years since the movie came out.
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    Darth5ohDarth5oh Posts: 142 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Run Forest, Run!!

    Removed Mint Mark >>



    That quote from Forest Gump never gets old....even after almost 20 years since the movie came out. >>



    How about "Coins are like a box of chocolates... You never what what you're going to get..." image


    ambro51: Haven't looked closely at many of them - I'll check-out the 14d next chance I get...

    So the count is about 3/4 for an altered MM and 1/4 for the date. Either way, it's 100% opinion the coin
    was altered...

    Any opinions on the stamped 1832 half-cent? (Maybe I should have put this in a new thread.)
    Thanks!
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    ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>So the count is about 3/4 for an altered MM and 1/4 for the date. Either way, it's 100% opinion the coin
    was altered...

    Any opinions on the stamped 1832 half-cent? (Maybe I should have put this in a new thread.)
    Thanks! >>



    The date on the 1922 cent exactly as it should be. The mintmark appears to have been ground off.

    The half-cent deserves a separte thread or else nobody will see it.

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