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MarkMark Posts: 3,565 ✭✭✭✭✭
My hometown paper today has a story about safety deposit boxes in SunTrust bank destroyed. Apparently SunTrust had contracted with Diebold to replace 56 old, empty safety deposit boxes. Unfortunately Diebold hauled away and crushed 84 safety deposit boxes, which, amongst the 56 old, empty boxes also included 28 not-so-old, not-so-empty boxes. The paper had comments from two customers whose boxes were destroyed. They said that SunTrust promised to make them whole. Neither mentioned coins as being in the box. One did say that his box contained "at least $120,000 in savings bonds." (I have to admit, had I been in that customer's shoes, I might also have mentioned $200,000 of currency in the box ...)

I wonder if any of the boxes had coins and, if so, how SunTrust was going to handle compensation. Regardless, I shudder when I think about this happening to any of my safety deposit boxes!
Mark


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  • keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,521 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yikes! It is not allowed to store currency(at least US) in the SDB. image

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  • I would be very very sad, the 100k or so of value wouldn't begin to replace the sentimental value lost. Every item in there is for a reason.
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,681 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Yikes! It is not allowed to store currency(at least US) in the SDB. image >>



    Why not? Can you give us a link to the law that forbids storing money in a SDB?

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,681 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hard to believe they didn't know they had something inside them. Sounds like a class action lawsuit in the making.image

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  • LanLordLanLord Posts: 11,723 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There was a recent story on the local new station about a person who had a family heirloom piece of jewelry in an SDB that was since "redistributed" to another customer. They allowed the original customer access to the SDB (their key opened it) and it was now full of coins, but their heirloom was long gone.

    Sounds to me like SDBs are any thing be safe.


    Edited to add: The "redistribution" of the SDB was done without the knowledge or permission of the customer, although they were still all payed up on the account to have that box.
  • STONESTONE Posts: 15,275
    It is not illegal to store cash in an SDB.
    If something like this were to happen and you had cash in it, it would be difficult to claim exactly how much cash was present
    as these boxes are not insured by the FDIC.
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,681 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>It is not illegal to store cash in an SDB.
    If something like this were to happen and you had cash in it, it would be difficult to claim exactly how much cash was present
    as these boxes are not insured by the FDIC. >>



    Wouldn't that be up to a jury to deide?image

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  • keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,521 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I recall seeing the SDB agreement I signed said I would not keep Guns, Cash or explosives in there...
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  • STONESTONE Posts: 15,275


    << <i>I recall seeing the SDB agreement I signed said I would not keep Guns, Cash or explosives in there... >>


    I've also heard bankers tell me that some customers have stored fruit and other food items in them!!!!

    Main reason was to cause a disturbance for the bank
  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,211 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>It is not illegal to store cash in an SDB.
    If something like this were to happen and you had cash in it, it would be difficult to claim exactly how much cash was present
    as these boxes are not insured by the FDIC. >>



    The FDIC only insures account deposits. A SDB is not an account. Probly a good idea to read your SDB agreement carefully to see if the bank has any liability when stuff like in this thread happens.
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,681 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I recall seeing the SDB agreement I signed said I would not keep Guns, Cash or explosives in there... >>


    I've also heard bankers tell me that some customers have stored fruit and other food items in them!!!!

    Main reason was to cause a disturbance for the bank >>



    I've heard of people who got mad at their bank putting a large fish in their SDB.image

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  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭
    Hmmm. Crushing a SDB will not destroy any "paper" that is still within the box. If anything at all it would merely compress that paper agaist other metal making salvage and content verification possible.

    Given the liability invo9lved here, I'd think they would attempt some type of salvage to determine the contents of those "other" boxes.

    Now, if the boxes were shredded, that would be different but shredding would still leave a "paper trail".
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  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I recall seeing the SDB agreement I signed said I would not keep Guns, Cash or explosives in there... >>


    I've also heard bankers tell me that some customers have stored fruit and other food items in them!!!!

    Main reason was to cause a disturbance for the bank >>

    Hmm. Maybe a dead cat or dead mouse?

    Naaa.
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  • SmEagle1795SmEagle1795 Posts: 2,193 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well, this is terrifying, to put it mildly...
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  • GrumpyEdGrumpyEd Posts: 4,749 ✭✭✭
    This link has the rules about cash in SDBs. It's legal as long as it's not done to hide money from the IRS.


    http://www.bankersonline.com/operations/safecash.html
    Ed
  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 6,371 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Anyone who thinks putting an item that will rot and stink up the bank in a sdb to get revenge better think twice about actually doing it.

    All the bank has to do is check the access records to isolate the relatively few boxes which could containing the offensive item.

    Having done this they could drill the locks on the boxes until the item is located and remove it.

    Would you want to pay $200+ each for locks that have to be drilled plus face criminal charges? Also,some box owners could file lawsuit against you claiming the items in their box were damaged by the stinking item you put in yours.

    Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters.

  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,211 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>This link has the rules about cash in SDBs. It's legal as long as it's not done to hide money from the IRS.


    http://www.bankersonline.com/operations/safecash.html >>



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  • CeephusCeephus Posts: 73 ✭✭
    This is one reason I only keep midlevel items that can be replaced in my sdb. For every reason I can think to have an sdb, I can also think of a reason not to.

    Anything from flood, fire, to being banned from the bank, I can think of many reasons why I'll never see my stuff again.

    Even though the risk might be small, it's still worth thinking about.
  • hammer1hammer1 Posts: 3,874 ✭✭✭✭✭
    keyman64 said:

    << <i>Yikes! It is not allowed to store currency(at least US) in the SDB. image >>



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  • s4nys4ny Posts: 1,573 ✭✭✭
    There were several banks in the World Trade Center with safe deposit boxes. One institution in WTC 5 had
    2500 boxes and there was litigation after 9/11.

    Here is an item concerning Chase shortly after the attacks:

    http://www.newsday.com/business/it-s-your-money-safe-deposit-boxes-contents-remain-buried-by-attack-recovery-liability-issues-are-a-concern-1.786043
  • Oh brother ... what a mess. Even the safety deposit boxes now!
  • keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,521 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>keyman64 signature line: "100% Of My Collection Is Stored In a Safe Deposit Box At A Bank. "
    image >>

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  • CazkaboomCazkaboom Posts: 291 ✭✭✭
    Yikes! I'd be furious if my SDB got demolished.




    << <i>keyman64 said:

    << <i>Yikes! It is not allowed to store currency(at least US) in the SDB. image >>



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    That is super funny. Great catch!
  • Harry779Harry779 Posts: 902 ✭✭
    Just Google "safe deposit boxes not safe"

  • pocketpiececommemspocketpiececommems Posts: 6,024 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's great to know that the bank security people were on top of things. They should have been right there with them double checking everything.
  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,020 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Hard to believe they didn't know they had something inside them. Sounds like a class action lawsuit in the making.image >>

    image the company is going to have to pony up on that deal image
  • ElcontadorElcontador Posts: 7,645 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Several years ago, like Greg, I got a notice with respect to my safe deposit box, saying that I could not store cash or currency in it. I think it had something to do with the bank not wanting in any way, to be a party to someone trying to hide money from creditors.

    I spoke with a bank officer, and asked, whether this would also apply re family heirlooms and / or rare coins, and explained the difference between these items and cash / currency above. As a matter of first impression, he did not think I would have an issue with this.

    Re another poster's comment. I don't understand why someone would store a dead fish in the box. He is looking at all sorts of lawsuits by the bank for doing this, and the culprit would easily be found by checking bank records re access to the particular safe deposit box.

    If you want to display anti-social behavior, one would think you would do it in a manner that wouldn't lead to being on the wrong end of a lawsuit, and also have the possibility of not getting caught doing whatever you did. A friend of mine did something like this decades ago. PM me for details if interested; it's not appropriate to put on the forum.

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  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    On the keyman64 statement.......coins are not currency.image
  • MarkMark Posts: 3,565 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It turns out it's a co-worker of mine who had the $120,000 in savings bonds destroyed. I do not know him very well or else I would ask him why he did not also mention the $80,000 in currency in the box. image More seriously, if I see him at a meeting, I will ask what the bank is doing to make him whole. I'll also inquire if he knows if anyone else had coins in their boxes. But, really all I can think of is the incredible mess this mistake has created for 28 very innocent people...
    Mark


  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,475 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Note to self: Check with bank tomorrow to make sure I'm notified and present before anyone does anything with my SDP. I would surely feel like big brother is after me if I found out there are people helping themselves with their grimy hands to my SDB! Holy Toledo!

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  • SpoolySpooly Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭
    Bury it deep....within rifle range. image
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  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    For the life of me I just can't see that the bank would not of opened all of the boxes to be destroyed and had a bank officer with the contractors at all times while they were working in the vault.
    Bet a branch manager is looking for a new job.
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,681 ✭✭✭✭✭
    How did they get to the boxes? Each box requires two keys---the bank has one key and the box renter has the other key. Without the second key, the bank would have to drill out the lock on each box which is an expensive and time consuming undertaking. The box holders should sue the bank for theft and destruction of private property. It shouldn't be hard to find a sympathetic jury. I would be surprised if the FDIC isn't doing an investigation.

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  • pocketpiececommemspocketpiececommems Posts: 6,024 ✭✭✭✭✭
    And BTW if the contractor was destroying them how much do you want to bet that one of them had some heavy pockets when they went home.
  • GrumpyEdGrumpyEd Posts: 4,749 ✭✭✭


    << <i>And BTW if the contractor was destroying them how much do you want to bet that one of them had some heavy pockets when they went home. >>



    Good point, I can't imagine anyone getting "hired to destroy and scrap" safety deposit boxes or safes not hearing something rattling around as they removed the boxes and looking closer. At some point in the recycling scraping process someone is going to see money, papers and coins.
    Ed

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