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i propose there area lot of them. coins so rare you can't ever find one!
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i propose there area lot of them. coins so rare you can't ever find one!
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just a ttt because this thread started 10+ posts down for some reason. guess it was doomed from the start
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1873s seated dollar
1895 BS Morgan
1964d peace dollar
<< <i>I know what an R-8 (Unique to 3) is, so what exactly is an R-10? >>
now we enter the rarity scale debate
these are ones i've come across in my meager 4 years.
which one to use indeed!
Sheldon scale.
R8 - 1-3 known (estimated), "Unique or Nearly Unique"
R7 - 4-12 known, "Extremely Rare"
R6 - 13-30 known, "Very Rare"
R5 - 31-75 known, "Rare"
R4 - 76-200 known, "Very Scarce"
R3 - 201-500 known, "Scarce"
R2 - 501-1250 known, "Uncommon"
R1 - over 1251 known, "Common"
Overton's Scale.
R8 - 1-3 Known Nearly Unique
R7 - 4-12 Rare, with only a few specimens existing
R6 - 13-30 Extremely Scarce, infrequent appearances at large shows or major auctions
R5 - 31-75 Very Scarce, a few examples will appear at large shows or auctions across a year
R4 - 76-200 Scarce, may or may not be available at larger shows
R3 - 201-500 Tough Date, limited number of examples at a large show
R2 - 500-1250 Better Date, generally available at most shows but in limited quantities
R1 - 1250+ Common
QDB also created a scale called the universal rarity scale..
URS-0 - None known
URS-1 - 1 known, unique
URS-2 - 2 known
URS-3 - 3 or 4 known
URS-4 - 5 to 8 known
URS-5 - 9 to 16 known
URS-6 - 17 to 32 known
URS-7 - 33 to 64 known
URS-8 - 65 to 125 known
URS-9 - 126 to 250 known
URS-10 - 251 to 500 known
URS-11 - 501 to 1,000 known
URS-12 - 1,001 to 2,000 known
URS-13 - 2,001 to 4,000 known
URS-14 - 4,001 to 8,000 known
URS-15 - 8,001 to 16,000 known
URS-16 - 16,001 to 32,000 known
URS-17 - 32,001 to 65,000 known
URS-18 - 65,001 to 125,000 known
URS-19 - 125,001 to 250,000 known
URS-20 - 250,001 to 500,000 known
10.1 - No Known Examples
10.0 - Unique
9.0 - 9.9 Ultra Rare
8.0 - 8.9 Extremely Rare
7.0 - 7.9 Very Rare
5.0 - 6.9 Rare
3.0 - 4.9 Very Scarce
2.0 - 2.9 Scarce
1.1 - 1.9 Common
1.0 - Very Common
10.1 - 0
10 - 1
9.9 - 2
9.8 - 3 to 4
9.7 - 5 to 6
9.6 - 7 to 9
9.5 - 10 to 12
9.4 - 13 to 14
9.3 - 15 to 16
9.2 - 17 to 18
9.1 - 19 to 20
9.0 - 21 to 25
8.9 - 26 to 30
8.8 - 31 - 35
8.7 - 36 - 40
8.6 - 41 - 45
8.5 - 46 - 50
8.4 - 51 - 60
8.3 - 61 - 70
8.2 - 71 - 80
8.1 - 81 - 90
8.0 - 91 - 100
7.9 - 101 - 110
7.8 - 111 - 120
7.7 - 121 - 130
7.6 - 131 - 140
7.5 - 141 - 150
7.4 - 151 - 160
7.3 - 161 - 170
7.2 - 171 - 180
7.1 - 181 - 190
7.0 - 191 - 200
6.9 - 201 - 210
6.8 - 211 - 220
6.7 - 221 - 240
6.6 - 241 - 260
6.5 - 261 - 280
6.4 - 281 - 300
6.3 - 301 - 350
6.2 - 351 – 400
6.1 - 401 - 450
6.0 - 451 - 500
5.9 - 501 - 550
5.8 - 551 - 600
5.7 - 601 - 650
5.6 - 651 - 700
5.5 - 701 - 750
5.4 - 751 - 800
5.3 - 801 - 850
5.2 - 851 - 900
5.1 - 901 - 950
5.0 - 951 - 1000
4.9 - 1001 - 1250
4.8 - 1251 - 1500
4.7 - 1501 - 1750
4.6 - 1751 - 2000
4.5 - 2001 - 2500
4.4 - 2501 - 3000
4.3 - 3001 - 3500
4.2 - 3501 - 4000
4.1 - 4001 - 4500
4.0 - 4501 - 5000
3.9 - 5001 - 5500
3.8 - 5501 - 6000
3.7 - 6001 - 6500
3.6 - 6501 - 7000
3.5 - 7001 - 7500
3.4 - 7501 - 8000
3.3 - 8001 - 8500
3.2 - 8501 - 9000
3.1 - 9001 - 9500
3.0 - 9501 - 10,000
2.9 - 10,001 - 15,000
2.8 - 15,001 - 20,000
2.7 - 20,001 - 30,000
2.6 - 30,001 - 40,000
2.5 - 40,001 - 50,000
2.4 - 50,001 - 60,000
2.3 - 60,001 - 70,000
2.2 - 70,001 - 80,000
2.1 - 80,001 - 90,000
2.0 - 90,001 - 100,000
1.9 - 100,001 - 200,000
1.8 - 200,001 - 300,000
1.7 - 300,001 - 400,000
1.6 - 400,001 - 500,000
1.5 - 500,001 - 600,000
1.4 - 600,001 - 700,000
1.3 - 700,001 - 800,000
1.2 - 800,001 - 900,000
1.1 - 900,001 - 1,000,000
1.0 - over 1,000,000
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<< <i>Well, I suppose if R8+ is unique, R9 could mean doesn't exist, and R10 could mean doesn't exist and you'll go to jail if you have one. >>
Ha! Good one!
Lance.
But much earlier I had a jar of coins when we used to leave them on the tracks for the train to squish them. Those were like snowflakes when the train was done with them.
<< <i>But much earlier I had a jar of coins when we used to leave them on the tracks for the train to squish them. Those were like snowflakes when the train was done with them. >>
LOL. We did that too. And there was a narrow drainage tunnel below the tracks we could crawl into while the train roared overhead. Zowie!
Finding the squashed coins took a bit of looking sometimes.
Lance.
<< <i>I know what an R-8 (Unique to 3) is, so what exactly is an R-10? >>
R-10 is used in the Civil War token books for unique pieces. The trouble is when you make a die or even take two previously used dies and make something "unique" it's hard to resist not making another one. That's why most all of the R-10s are not R-10s any more. Someone finds another one.
There is one piece that I know of which might be called an R-10.1, no known examples. There once was an 1849 Templeton Reid $25 California gold piece. According to the Red Book it was stolen from the U.S. mint cabinet on August 16, 1858 and never recovered. I dare say that the theif was a "non-collector" who sent that puppy to the melting post not long after August 17, 1858.
The most famous R-10 is the 1849 $20 gold piece followed by the 1870-S Three Dollar gold piece.
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From Scot's commentary, there are probably some R-10 early US die varieties yet to be discovered.
<< <i>Some have called unique die marriages R-9's, there are quite a few, three unique half dollars, 5? dollars, at least two dimes, and several early gold unique die varieties. An R-10 would then be a variety that is proven to exist, but with no known examples. Robert Hilt theorized "hex dies" that he thought existed, but none found. Chief Engraver Robert Scot made this statement in 1795 referring to dies "by failure in hardening it, it becomes useless immediately, or very soon so," and "From the same source of uncertain decision whereby the time of executing the Dies cannot be ascertained, arises the same difficulty of determining how long they will last. Namely, the precariousness and uncertainty of hardening and tempering the Dies, whereby they are often lost without striking a single Coin."
From Scot's commentary, there are probably some R-10 early US die varieties yet to be discovered. >>
if that is how Scot spoke/wrote, I am doing myself a grave disservice not reading his writings.
and I also, ++++++++++1 this
<< <i>there are probably some R-10 early US die varieties yet to be discovered >>
not to get off-topic, but the government's position on the 1933s is not helping this cause or people's desire to just keep things out of the limelight or the amount of coins in shoeboxes from dead spouses, the black market, etc etc lol (and from my understanding and extensive reading, they didn't prove the left the mint unauthorized, it was simply not proven that they did. so much for possession is 9/10ths. i guess the other 1/10 is reserved for whomever has the largest army?
i'm quite confident given the amount of dealers across the country, there are many sitting in cases looking at us at every show completely unbeknownst to us.
and if I have anything to say about it, during my stint in numismatics, i fully intend to bring some to light, the biggest challenge is, keeping what little sanity i started this journey with...
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<< <i>if that is how Scot spoke/wrote, I am doing myself a grave disservice not reading his writings. >>
Scot was a very articulate writer, but none of his letters have been published, except his 1795 engraving report to the Congressional "Committee on the Mint." I re-discovered this four page document at the Mint archives in 2010, and published the entire report in an article for the August, 2012 John Reich Journal. Much more of Scot will be published in a biography that I am writing of him. Robert Scot was one of the most prolific and sought after US engravers prior to his commission at the Mint, contrary to what is usually written about him.