Yes, let's definitely look to his last years as a player and suggest those are representative of his overall production. I mean, no other all time great player never, ever hung around too long. Just Randy, because pointing to those last years helps fit the narrative some people want to spin that Moss was a malcontent, that he wasn't great, that he took plays off.
<< <i>Yes, let's definitely look to his last years as a player and suggest those are representative of his overall production. I mean, no other all time great player never, ever hung around too long. Just Randy, because pointing to those last years helps fit the narrative some people want to spin that Moss was a malcontent, that he wasn't great, that he took plays off. >>
Funny thing is, only two people brought up last year. You, which was just now, and Grote over a week ago, which was actually a compliment.
Strawman fail.
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Moss had a 31-yard TD pass that evened the scored after Atlanta had taken a 7-0 lead. But he finished with just six catches for 75 yards -- just one catch for 4 yards in the second half and overtime.
This is when he was "unstoppable"!
Great overall statistics, but no where to be seen when the game is on the line.
Joe
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In the spirit of fairness, I noticed that Randy did catch a TD pass in the Super Bowl loss to the Giants in the fourth quarter.
BUT in reading further the Giants double covered Welker on that play, and the corner covering Moss fell down while "backpeddaling".
Let's make one thing clear. I saw Randy's entire Minnesota career and he took off a lot of plays, that's why I went from being a fan of his, to becoming frustrated, to giving up on him completely.
Joe
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Moss is an all-time great and sure HOF'er -- likely not 1st ballot though (given what happened to CCarter).
He's not as good as Rice, but I have no problem him thinking that. Unfortunately Randy hasn't ever figured out how to best handle the media and is too candid with his thoughts.
He was given every opportunity according to Sid Hartman, whom wrote, "I play when I want to play...I take plays off". Hartman knew it would be problematic when he published it and states gave Moss the chance to retract it, but he chose not to.
When he gator arms balls and loafs on plays, he only adds to his problem. Read Montana's interview with Dan Patrick in recent SI...Joe wasn't complimentary....
That said, when Randy did play & try real hard, he was electric...Some of the catches and games he had against Dallas on Thanksgiving, Saints on Monday night, Packers in playoffs, and many others. He'll always be a fan favorite of mine, but I'd rate Cris Carter ahead of him... Another editorial add -- he blows away Lynn Swan...just look at the stats...although Swan had a poor throwing QB in Bradshaw...just watch some of his older games on tape. It's like watching Tim Tebow...
Chris Carter was a much better reciever than Moss. Randy did have his moments, but can't be considered anywhere near the best reciever of all time. As I pointed out in an earlier post, he never led the league in yards or receptions THAT has got to be factored in.
Yes he was an "impact" player, but that impact was diminished when the defense got tough.
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<< <i>Funny thing is, only two people brought up last year. You, which was just now, and Grote over a week ago, which was actually a compliment. >>
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<< <i>When he was asked to lead teams that weren't loaded he sucked. >>
But his play was nothing short of absolutely spectacular while leading the Raiders and Titans
Oh, wait... >>
It's obvious the people who want to paint Moss as a malcontent, as something other than one of the greatest receivers of all time, will do so in spite of facts staring them back in the face. The idea that Cris Carter was a better receiver is proof positive of this.
Your confusing talent with greatness. He may have been the most physically gifted reciever ever, but he was no where near the BEST!
The truely great ones are the ones that LEAD their teams to championships, that sacrifice their bodies to make the catch, throw or tackle time after time. Moss simply didn't do these things.
No blinders here pal, although I wish I would have been wearing them for many of his lackluster plays when he was "bored" with the Vikings.
Joe
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<< <i>Funny thing is, only two people brought up last year. You, which was just now, and Grote over a week ago, which was actually a compliment. >>
<< <i>
<< <i>When he was asked to lead teams that weren't loaded he sucked. >>
But his play was nothing short of absolutely spectacular while leading the Raiders and Titans
Oh, wait... >>
It's obvious the people who want to paint Moss as a malcontent, as something other than one of the greatest receivers of all time, will do so in spite of facts staring them back in the face. The idea that Cris Carter was a better receiver is proof positive of this.
Good luck with those blinders, fellas. >>
Moss played for the Titans last year? Huh, okay. Those darn, pesky facts staring them in the face and all..
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Give me a choice between say Wes Welker now vs. Randy Moss in his prime, and I'll take Welker 10/10 times. I want a guy who will utilize his entire skill set for the entire game, not a guy who only plays when it suits him.
<< <i>Give me a choice between say Wes Welker now vs. Randy Moss in his prime, and I'll take Welker 10/10 times. I want a guy who will utilize his entire skill set for the entire game, not a guy who only plays when it suits him. >>
Damn Geordie, I cant argue that except for ONE play, last years Super Bowl when Welker didnt catch that BAD pass from Brady ( Totally Bradys fault ) I gotta tell you I truly believe Moss would have made that catch and the Pats would have likely went on to win the Super Bowl.
I would trad all of Welkers production from '07 to now for that one catch
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If nothing else, the continuation of this thread, now well after the Super Bowl, is a testament to the reaction Moss still generates..
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I live right down the road from where Wes Welker went to high school so I've always been a fan of his, but he doesn't even belong in the same conversation as Randy Moss in his prime.
Have you bothered to read my posts? Nowhere do I say he was a "bum". In fact I was a huge Moss fan and openly admit he had possibly the best ability of any receiver.
What I just can't believe is how high people rank him. He is in the top ten of all time for sure, but his play during games where he "lost interest" drops him way down in my eyes.
ANY athlete that is being discussed for best of all time had better not be quitters during games. To me no matter how good your numbers are, if you don't give 100%, I just can't see rating a player like that this high.
Joe
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He didn't "quit" in my eyes, he actually walked off the field near the end of a game the Vikings were losing, by less than 7 points, saying he was "tired".
The head coach was quoted as saying if "we don't get Randy involved early in the game, he loses interest".
How many "Top" players have done these things or had them said about them?
I'll work on a top 10 list just for fun.
Again, I am not saying he was a "bum" as a football player, only that players who don't compete hard should not be considered the best of all time. Toughness and giving 100% effort and being a team player are three important parts of any players make up if you want them to be considered the best of all time. Randy, with all his touchdowns and yardage just was lacking in several areas. He was not a "bum".
Statistics do not always tell the whole story.
Joe
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<< <i>I would really like to hear why Randy is so highly regarded. Please educate me on how he can possibly be a top receiver.
I have in numerous posts stated why he simply cannot be considered so.
Joe >>
The fact that he's third all time in receiving yards, and second all time in receiving TDs, has something to do with it. As does the fact that he put those numbers up despite only playing with a top-flight QB for a couple of years in his career.
<< <i>Toughness and giving 100% effort and being a team player are three important parts of any players make up if you want them to be considered the best of all time. >>
No, they're not. If that was the case, Tebow would be considered an amazing QB. His work ethic is extraordinary, everywhere he's gone there has been nothing but praise for his putting the team first, and has done everything ever asked of him. Nobody in their right mind would consider Tebow the best of all time.
It seems to me that you're picking and choosing things in order to support your (flawed) assertion that Moss isn't deserving of the accolades he has received. For whatever reason, you will never, ever give the man his due because you heard or thought you saw him taking plays off.
<< <i>Statistics do not always tell the whole story.
Joe >>
Yes, they do. They are unbiased, objective pictures of players that give you analysis without the cloud of emotion getting in the way. Statistics tell you all you need to know.
<< <i>I would really like to hear why Randy is so highly regarded. Please educate me on how he can possibly be a top receiver.
I have in numerous posts stated why he simply cannot be considered so.
Joe >>
The fact that he's third all time in receiving yards, and second all time in receiving TDs, has something to do with it. As does the fact that he put those numbers up despite only playing with a top-flight QB for a couple of years in his career. >>
The Minnesota teams he played on had one of the best offenses of all time. You don't have to play with a Brady type QB for your entire career to have success. His overall numbers are impressive, however as I have posted he NEVER led the league in yardage, he was a TD scoring machine.
Except for his years with Oakland, he was on a high powered offense his entire career. Plus he had a long career and wasn't injured much. Randy was in the perfect situation for most of his playing days. You guys just look at the top guys and say they're the best. You are ignoring some great receivers who played when the run was king.
Take a look at Don Hutson's stats. This guy DOMINATED in several areas. I would certainly put him ahead of Randy.
Joe
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<< <i>Toughness and giving 100% effort and being a team player are three important parts of any players make up if you want them to be considered the best of all time. >>
No, they're not. If that was the case, Tebow would be considered an amazing QB. His work ethic is extraordinary, everywhere he's gone there has been nothing but praise for his putting the team first, and has done everything ever asked of him. Nobody in their right mind would consider Tebow the best of all time.
It seems to me that you're picking and choosing things in order to support your (flawed) assertion that Moss isn't deserving of the accolades he has received. For whatever reason, you will never, ever give the man his due because you heard or thought you saw him taking plays off.
<< <i>Statistics do not always tell the whole story.
Joe >>
Yes, they do. They are unbiased, objective pictures of players that give you analysis without the cloud of emotion getting in the way. Statistics tell you all you need to know. >>
You example of Tebow is TOTALLY flawed, he hasn't had the time in the league to prove anything, he did lead his team to the playoffs when given the opportunity, but you are comparing apples to pumpkins.
Again and again you say I "heard" he took plays off. I WATCHED him take plays off and HE ABSOLUTELY WALKED OFF THE FIELD WHEN THE VIKINGS HAD A CHANCE TO WIN A GAME.
If you are only going to look at statistics then you must think Barry Bonds is the greatest player in MLB history.
Here's a statistic for you, Randy Moss ZERO championships. There's a reason for that, despite all his abilities he was unable to put his team over the top in a championship situation.
Since I place importance in not ONLY statistics, you are right about one thing we will never agree.
Joe
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The bottom line is no matter who argues that Moss was not ONE of the best ever is obviously wrong and its actually funny.
Moss clearly had a bad work ethic more times than not so I guess if your putting together a list of the Greatest WR's WITH the best work ethic then sure keep Moss out.
<< <i>I would really like to hear why Randy is so highly regarded. Please educate me on how he can possibly be a top receiver.
I have in numerous posts stated why he simply cannot be considered so.
Joe >>
The fact that he's third all time in receiving yards, and second all time in receiving TDs, has something to do with it. As does the fact that he put those numbers up despite only playing with a top-flight QB for a couple of years in his career. >>
The Minnesota teams he played on had one of the best offenses of all time. You don't have to play with a Brady type QB for your entire career to have success. His overall numbers are impressive, however as I have posted he NEVER led the league in yardage, he was a TD scoring machine.
Except for his years with Oakland, he was on a high powered offense his entire career. Plus he had a long career and wasn't injured much. Randy was in the perfect situation for most of his playing days. You guys just look at the top guys and say they're the best. You are ignoring some great receivers who played when the run was king.
Take a look at Don Hutson's stats. This guy DOMINATED in several areas. I would certainly put him ahead of Randy.
Joe >>
Are you saying that you think Don Hutson is a superior WR to Randy Moss?
<< <i>I would really like to hear why Randy is so highly regarded. Please educate me on how he can possibly be a top receiver.
I have in numerous posts stated why he simply cannot be considered so.
Joe >>
The fact that he's third all time in receiving yards, and second all time in receiving TDs, has something to do with it. As does the fact that he put those numbers up despite only playing with a top-flight QB for a couple of years in his career. >>
The Minnesota teams he played on had one of the best offenses of all time. You don't have to play with a Brady type QB for your entire career to have success. His overall numbers are impressive, however as I have posted he NEVER led the league in yardage, he was a TD scoring machine.
Except for his years with Oakland, he was on a high powered offense his entire career. Plus he had a long career and wasn't injured much. Randy was in the perfect situation for most of his playing days. You guys just look at the top guys and say they're the best. You are ignoring some great receivers who played when the run was king.
Take a look at Don Hutson's stats. This guy DOMINATED in several areas. I would certainly put him ahead of Randy.
Joe >>
Are you saying that you think Don Hutson is a superior WR to Randy Moss? >>
I think the part where he posted "Take a look at Don Hutson's stats. This guy DOMINATED in several areas. I would certainly put him ahead of Randy" answers your question.
Its absolutely hysterical, but get a few NFL HOF Rookie card collecters in here and they will tout the same BS.
<< <i> You example of Tebow is TOTALLY flawed, he hasn't had the time in the league to prove anything, he did lead his team to the playoffs when given the opportunity, but you are comparing apples to pumpkins. >>
No, he didn't lead the Broncos to the playoffs. If that was the case, they wouldn't have LOST their last three games of the season and needed a Raiders loss in week 17 to make it in.
<< <i>Again and again you say I "heard" he took plays off. I WATCHED him take plays off and HE ABSOLUTELY WALKED OFF THE FIELD WHEN THE VIKINGS HAD A CHANCE TO WIN A GAME. >>
This has no bearing on whether or no he's one of the greatest of all time. It is plain to see that you hold it against him, which is fine, but sitting there saying he's not an all time great is not based in reality.
<< <i>If you are only going to look at statistics then you must think Barry Bonds is the greatest player in MLB history. >>
Bonds is a top 5, all time player, PED or not, but this has no correlation to the topic about Moss.
<< <i>Here's a statistic for you, Randy Moss ZERO championships. There's a reason for that, despite all his abilities he was unable to put his team over the top in a championship situation. >>
Hmm Rice had TWO hall of fame quarterbacks throwing to him in his super bowl winning years. The 49er teams were pre-salary cap teams that were LOADED with perennial pro-bowlers and hall of famers. Rice simply had BETTER teams. If you can't understand that a championship is a TEAM concept and not an individual, then you are beyond reason.
You know who else never won a championship?
John Stockton.
Man that bum sure took plays off! He was only interested in piling up stats!
Yeah, well, you know that's just like, uhhh, your opinion, man.
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<< <i>Yes, let's definitely look to his last years as a player and suggest those are representative of his overall production. I mean, no other all time great player never, ever hung around too long. Just Randy, because pointing to those last years helps fit the narrative some people want to spin that Moss was a malcontent, that he wasn't great, that he took plays off. >>
Funny thing is, only two people brought up last year. You, which was just now, and Grote over a week ago, which was actually a compliment.
Strawman fail.
Moss had a 31-yard TD pass that evened the scored after Atlanta had taken a 7-0 lead. But he finished with just six catches for 75 yards -- just one catch for 4 yards in the second half and overtime.
This is when he was "unstoppable"!
Great overall statistics, but no where to be seen when the game is on the line.
Joe
BUT in reading further the Giants double covered Welker on that play, and the corner covering Moss fell down while "backpeddaling".
Let's make one thing clear. I saw Randy's entire Minnesota career and he took off a lot of plays, that's why I went from being a fan of his, to becoming frustrated, to giving up on him completely.
Joe
He's not as good as Rice, but I have no problem him thinking that. Unfortunately Randy hasn't ever figured out how to best handle the media and is too candid with his thoughts.
He was given every opportunity according to Sid Hartman, whom wrote, "I play when I want to play...I take plays off". Hartman knew it would be problematic when he published it and states gave Moss the chance to retract it, but he chose not to.
When he gator arms balls and loafs on plays, he only adds to his problem. Read Montana's interview with Dan Patrick in recent SI...Joe wasn't complimentary....
That said, when Randy did play & try real hard, he was electric...Some of the catches and games he had against Dallas on Thanksgiving, Saints on Monday night, Packers in playoffs, and many others. He'll always be a fan favorite of mine, but I'd rate Cris Carter ahead of him... Another editorial add -- he blows away Lynn Swan...just look at the stats...although Swan had a poor throwing QB in Bradshaw...just watch some of his older games on tape. It's like watching Tim Tebow...
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Yes he was an "impact" player, but that impact was diminished when the defense got tough.
<< <i>Funny thing is, only two people brought up last year. You, which was just now, and Grote over a week ago, which was actually a compliment. >>
<< <i>
<< <i>When he was asked to lead teams that weren't loaded he sucked. >>
But his play was nothing short of absolutely spectacular while leading the Raiders and Titans
Oh, wait... >>
It's obvious the people who want to paint Moss as a malcontent, as something other than one of the greatest receivers of all time, will do so in spite of facts staring them back in the face. The idea that Cris Carter was a better receiver is proof positive of this.
Good luck with those blinders, fellas.
The truely great ones are the ones that LEAD their teams to championships, that sacrifice their bodies to make the catch, throw or tackle time after time. Moss simply didn't do these things.
No blinders here pal, although I wish I would have been wearing them for many of his lackluster plays when he was "bored" with the Vikings.
Joe
<< <i>
<< <i>Funny thing is, only two people brought up last year. You, which was just now, and Grote over a week ago, which was actually a compliment. >>
<< <i>
<< <i>When he was asked to lead teams that weren't loaded he sucked. >>
But his play was nothing short of absolutely spectacular while leading the Raiders and Titans
Oh, wait... >>
It's obvious the people who want to paint Moss as a malcontent, as something other than one of the greatest receivers of all time, will do so in spite of facts staring them back in the face. The idea that Cris Carter was a better receiver is proof positive of this.
Good luck with those blinders, fellas. >>
Moss played for the Titans last year? Huh, okay. Those darn, pesky facts staring them in the face and all..
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<< <i>Give me a choice between say Wes Welker now vs. Randy Moss in his prime, and I'll take Welker 10/10 times. I want a guy who will utilize his entire skill set for the entire game, not a guy who only plays when it suits him. >>
Damn Geordie, I cant argue that except for ONE play, last years Super Bowl when Welker didnt catch that BAD pass from Brady ( Totally Bradys fault ) I gotta tell you I truly believe Moss would have made that catch and the Pats would have likely went on to win the Super Bowl.
I would trad all of Welkers production from '07 to now for that one catch
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I have in numerous posts stated why he simply cannot be considered so.
Joe
<< <i>I would really like to hear why Randy is so highly regarded. Please educate me on how he can possibly be a top receiver.
I have in numerous posts stated why he simply cannot be considered so.
Joe >>
As long as you have it in your head that he was a bum, there's no amount of facts that can change your mind.
What I just can't believe is how high people rank him. He is in the top ten of all time for sure, but his play during games where he "lost interest" drops him way down in my eyes.
ANY athlete that is being discussed for best of all time had better not be quitters during games. To me no matter how good your numbers are, if you don't give 100%, I just can't see rating a player like that this high.
Joe
The head coach was quoted as saying if "we don't get Randy involved early in the game, he loses interest".
How many "Top" players have done these things or had them said about them?
I'll work on a top 10 list just for fun.
Again, I am not saying he was a "bum" as a football player, only that players who don't compete hard should not be considered the best of all time. Toughness and giving 100% effort and being a team player are three important parts of any players make up if you want them to be considered the best of all time. Randy, with all his touchdowns and yardage just was lacking in several areas. He was not a "bum".
Statistics do not always tell the whole story.
Joe
<< <i>I would really like to hear why Randy is so highly regarded. Please educate me on how he can possibly be a top receiver.
I have in numerous posts stated why he simply cannot be considered so.
Joe >>
The fact that he's third all time in receiving yards, and second all time in receiving TDs, has something to do with it. As does the fact that he put those numbers up despite only playing with a top-flight QB for a couple of years in his career.
<< <i>Toughness and giving 100% effort and being a team player are three important parts of any players make up if you want them to be considered the best of all time. >>
No, they're not. If that was the case, Tebow would be considered an amazing QB. His work ethic is extraordinary, everywhere he's gone there has been nothing but praise for his putting the team first, and has done everything ever asked of him. Nobody in their right mind would consider Tebow the best of all time.
It seems to me that you're picking and choosing things in order to support your (flawed) assertion that Moss isn't deserving of the accolades he has received. For whatever reason, you will never, ever give the man his due because you heard or thought you saw him taking plays off.
<< <i>Statistics do not always tell the whole story.
Joe >>
Yes, they do. They are unbiased, objective pictures of players that give you analysis without the cloud of emotion getting in the way. Statistics tell you all you need to know.
<< <i>
<< <i>I would really like to hear why Randy is so highly regarded. Please educate me on how he can possibly be a top receiver.
I have in numerous posts stated why he simply cannot be considered so.
Joe >>
The fact that he's third all time in receiving yards, and second all time in receiving TDs, has something to do with it. As does the fact that he put those numbers up despite only playing with a top-flight QB for a couple of years in his career. >>
The Minnesota teams he played on had one of the best offenses of all time. You don't have to play with a Brady type QB for your entire career to have success. His overall numbers are impressive, however as I have posted he NEVER led the league in yardage, he was a TD scoring machine.
Except for his years with Oakland, he was on a high powered offense his entire career. Plus he had a long career and wasn't injured much. Randy was in the perfect situation for most of his playing days. You guys just look at the top guys and say they're the best. You are ignoring some great receivers who played when the run was king.
Take a look at Don Hutson's stats. This guy DOMINATED in several areas. I would certainly put him ahead of Randy.
Joe
<< <i>
<< <i>Toughness and giving 100% effort and being a team player are three important parts of any players make up if you want them to be considered the best of all time. >>
No, they're not. If that was the case, Tebow would be considered an amazing QB. His work ethic is extraordinary, everywhere he's gone there has been nothing but praise for his putting the team first, and has done everything ever asked of him. Nobody in their right mind would consider Tebow the best of all time.
It seems to me that you're picking and choosing things in order to support your (flawed) assertion that Moss isn't deserving of the accolades he has received. For whatever reason, you will never, ever give the man his due because you heard or thought you saw him taking plays off.
<< <i>Statistics do not always tell the whole story.
Joe >>
Yes, they do. They are unbiased, objective pictures of players that give you analysis without the cloud of emotion getting in the way. Statistics tell you all you need to know. >>
You example of Tebow is TOTALLY flawed, he hasn't had the time in the league to prove anything, he did lead his team to the playoffs when given the opportunity, but you are comparing apples to pumpkins.
Again and again you say I "heard" he took plays off. I WATCHED him take plays off and HE ABSOLUTELY WALKED OFF THE FIELD WHEN THE VIKINGS HAD A CHANCE TO WIN A GAME.
If you are only going to look at statistics then you must think Barry Bonds is the greatest player in MLB history.
Here's a statistic for you, Randy Moss ZERO championships. There's a reason for that, despite all his abilities he was unable to put his team over the top in a championship situation.
Since I place importance in not ONLY statistics, you are right about one thing we will never agree.
Joe
Moss clearly had a bad work ethic more times than not so I guess if your putting together a list of the Greatest WR's WITH the best work ethic then sure keep Moss out.
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<< <i>I would really like to hear why Randy is so highly regarded. Please educate me on how he can possibly be a top receiver.
I have in numerous posts stated why he simply cannot be considered so.
Joe >>
The fact that he's third all time in receiving yards, and second all time in receiving TDs, has something to do with it. As does the fact that he put those numbers up despite only playing with a top-flight QB for a couple of years in his career. >>
The Minnesota teams he played on had one of the best offenses of all time. You don't have to play with a Brady type QB for your entire career to have success. His overall numbers are impressive, however as I have posted he NEVER led the league in yardage, he was a TD scoring machine.
Except for his years with Oakland, he was on a high powered offense his entire career. Plus he had a long career and wasn't injured much. Randy was in the perfect situation for most of his playing days. You guys just look at the top guys and say they're the best. You are ignoring some great receivers who played when the run was king.
Take a look at Don Hutson's stats. This guy DOMINATED in several areas. I would certainly put him ahead of Randy.
Joe >>
Are you saying that you think Don Hutson is a superior WR to Randy Moss?
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<< <i>I would really like to hear why Randy is so highly regarded. Please educate me on how he can possibly be a top receiver.
I have in numerous posts stated why he simply cannot be considered so.
Joe >>
The fact that he's third all time in receiving yards, and second all time in receiving TDs, has something to do with it. As does the fact that he put those numbers up despite only playing with a top-flight QB for a couple of years in his career. >>
The Minnesota teams he played on had one of the best offenses of all time. You don't have to play with a Brady type QB for your entire career to have success. His overall numbers are impressive, however as I have posted he NEVER led the league in yardage, he was a TD scoring machine.
Except for his years with Oakland, he was on a high powered offense his entire career. Plus he had a long career and wasn't injured much. Randy was in the perfect situation for most of his playing days. You guys just look at the top guys and say they're the best. You are ignoring some great receivers who played when the run was king.
Take a look at Don Hutson's stats. This guy DOMINATED in several areas. I would certainly put him ahead of Randy.
Joe >>
Are you saying that you think Don Hutson is a superior WR to Randy Moss? >>
I think the part where he posted "Take a look at Don Hutson's stats. This guy DOMINATED in several areas. I would certainly put him ahead of Randy" answers your question.
Its absolutely hysterical, but get a few NFL HOF Rookie card collecters in here and they will tout the same BS.
<< <i>
You example of Tebow is TOTALLY flawed, he hasn't had the time in the league to prove anything, he did lead his team to the playoffs when given the opportunity, but you are comparing apples to pumpkins. >>
No, he didn't lead the Broncos to the playoffs. If that was the case, they wouldn't have LOST their last three games of the season and needed a Raiders loss in week 17 to make it in.
<< <i>Again and again you say I "heard" he took plays off. I WATCHED him take plays off and HE ABSOLUTELY WALKED OFF THE FIELD WHEN THE VIKINGS HAD A CHANCE TO WIN A GAME. >>
This has no bearing on whether or no he's one of the greatest of all time. It is plain to see that you hold it against him, which is fine, but sitting there saying he's not an all time great is not based in reality.
<< <i>If you are only going to look at statistics then you must think Barry Bonds is the greatest player in MLB history. >>
Bonds is a top 5, all time player, PED or not, but this has no correlation to the topic about Moss.
<< <i>Here's a statistic for you, Randy Moss ZERO championships. There's a reason for that, despite all his abilities he was unable to put his team over the top in a championship situation. >>
Hmm Rice had TWO hall of fame quarterbacks throwing to him in his super bowl winning years. The 49er teams were pre-salary cap teams that were LOADED with perennial pro-bowlers and hall of famers. Rice simply had BETTER teams. If you can't understand that a championship is a TEAM concept and not an individual, then you are beyond reason.
You know who else never won a championship?
John Stockton.
Man that bum sure took plays off! He was only interested in piling up stats!
I'm still waiting for your top 10 receiver list.
Good bye!
Joe